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Also it's 75 and sunny and I live next door to the beach so I'm out for a little while, more tonight.
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Murmur Twin posted:What things do people see from Jam in these posts? Choose all that apply: I don't want to oversimplify and confuse the issue, but how much of this could be explained as poor town play rather than effective scum play? i see most of that posting as attributable to town as well.
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Aug 2, 2017 20:26
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MY THOUGHTS SO FAR: Somber: Somber is reading scummier and scummier as I read more. I find strange buddying to be a scum attempt to latch onto a weaker town early to get an extra vote and then they try to flip and lynch them in the middle days. I think this is exactly what Somber was trying to do with me. And then his attack on MMT didn't make any sense to me, where his basis for voting was from one of MMTs very first posts. I really thought Betrayer was town, and I don't really see the case here on MMT either. Asiina: I think Asiina is scum, mostly from D1 stuff where Asiina voted a lot of different people, either hoping to start a bandwagon or latch onto a weak case. Asiina is the swing vote from Betrayer/MMT -> Flam and both of those votes were super weak. D2 is largely dominated by masonry nonsense and Asiina just postulates and asks questions, but this could be a non-tell. There are a LOT of questions that have no answers right now, but it's an easy way for scum to coast and look like they're contributing without adding anything. Bif: It always bothers me when people are super active, to the point of trying to lead or coerce. Bossy scum are dangerous and scary, and that's what I think Bif is doing this game. Also part of my suspicion is that Bif might actually be the anonymous messenger and for whatever reason doesn't want to admit it. All this non-sense makes me wonder if there's any alignment meta to address. Is the mysterious mason buddy more likely to be Scum or Town? Obviously Somber and his whisperer aren't both scum or the masonry makes no sense. Maybe 3p? This part is loving with my head too much so for now I'm just gonna assume it's a bad role trying to sow discord, but not necessarily scum. I know that last part is WIFOMy but I still think Bif looks scummy without it. Max: His comment about everyone being in a partnered masonry struck me as odd, especially since we only have 1 confirmed masonry, and I'm not in a masonry myself (plus others who have claimed). I can't see Max doing this as scum though so maybe he's the anonymous messenger? 3p? I dunno, I'm very suspicious of him. Sandwolf: I really think it's weird that Sandwolf (and Max) have both been defending me. I think my play so far has been super lazy and could be construed as scummy, so I think it's weird that anyone would defend me. Although he's doing his thing and lurking, he is still contributing, and it reminds me of his play in Temple mafia where he was town, so I'm gonna lean town for now. Hal: At first he seemed to be pretty cagey and pinged my scumdar, not just because of him ignoring me (I stand by this), but because I didn't like how he was defending people and trying to play town arbitrator. That reeks of the same "I'm in charge" mentality that always makes me think scum. I think his vote on Flam really comes out of nowhere, especially because I don't see any mention of it before he just plops down a vote. He's waffling just enough on all the cases, he's so right down the middle of the fence that I think it's really suspect because it's the perfect place to hide in plain sight. His opinions on me go back and forth like the wind, but when he has the opportunity to vote me, he never does. MMT/The Betrayer: I thought Betrayer was town, and I feel the same about MMT. He did latch onto a really weak case on me, but it's D1 so I can forgive him for being wrong. I think he's one of the townier players in the game and his language strikes me as really genuine and trying. Dead people: I don't know how I feel about Flamander. I'm gonna be honest, I only really voted him because it was deadline and I knew if it wasn't him, it could be me. Re-reading I feel like Bif and Asiina bullied him and he very easily could have been town. I'm pretty sure Podima was town, just gut and his posting reads really transparent. Basically: Best Girl Jamuraan (hella kawaii~~) Leaning Town MMT Mithross SUS AF Hal Max Sandwolf Scummies Asiina Bif Somber Ripperonis Flamander Podima ##vote Asiina
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Aug 2, 2017 20:56
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Murmur Twin posted:What things do people see from Jam in these posts? Choose all that apply: Sorry I'm late captain, I'm doing my best =(
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Aug 2, 2017 20:57
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I just realized I chopped off the part about Mithross Mithross: Hasn't posted a whole lot but I feel really good about his content. He hounds me quite a bit, but I like that he's not exaggerating or distorting, just his opinion. Leaning town.
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Aug 2, 2017 20:59
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okay murmur, the jam case is retroactively fine by me.
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Aug 2, 2017 21:00
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Sandwolf posted:I really don't find the case on Jamuraan to be compelling, and the more I look at Hal's second vote there, the more uneasy it makes me. I agree with this but I'm afraid I'm putting my bias on it. I really thought that vote by Hal feels super forced, like he doesn't even really believe it himself and he just thinks I'm an easy dunk.
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Aug 2, 2017 21:01
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Somberbrero posted:if we're not dunking mmt i guess i need to think harder about my choices today. i am really not feeling her for town though. First you want to lynch MMT and now you're okay with following MMT?
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Aug 2, 2017 21:02
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Jamuraan posted:First you want to lynch MMT and now you're okay with following MMT? Kinda, yeah.
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Aug 2, 2017 21:16
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So in an 11 player game you find 6 of them scummy? Lets look through your scum reads. Somber: Buddying to you and is casing MMT who you think is town. Neither of these are scummy. Me: D1 voted a lot of people and switched to Flam, D2 focused on the masonry in order to appear active. So first of all voting multiple people during D1 is not scummy, and none of my votes were done for no reason. Sandwolf was to pressure him to stop lurking, same with Betrayer, and when they posted/replaced out I switched to the actual case I believed in. Also since we don't know Flam's alignment, I don't know how you can draw any conclusions about the movement of the lynch. Honestly, people who have been doing that (Sandwolf and now you), make me wonder if you knew Flam was town. The second part is just not true. I was caught up in masonry chat just like everyone else, but I think I was actually the first person to suggest that we can't learn anything from it, so we should move on, and I've been making reads and cases since then that have nothing to do with it, so I don't know what you're talking about. Bif: Bossy and also may be in the masonry. The second half is impossible to know and the first one isn't really a strong case. Max: Made a comment about setup that ended up not being true that you think doesn't make him scum, but you're still suspicious of him because....?? Sandwolf: Buddying (same as you accused Somber of), but then you say you're leaning town but put him in the SUS AF category. Hal: Waffling and ignoring you D1. I actually agree about the waffling, it's largely the same case I'm making, so I can get behind this. You still put him pretty high on your list, but don't really explain why he's more townie than all the previous people. Most of these are not good reasons at all and not really consistent across people. Why decide to vote for me over all these people? Why is Somber scummier than Sandwolf when both are buddying with you? What does being assertive have to do with being scum? You accuse both Bif and Hal of it, but don't say why it's scummy.
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Aug 2, 2017 21:17
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##unvote I'm feeling better about Hal now that he's posting more. His shift from defending Nazgul to actively casing MT this much makes no sense if he was trying to defend Nazgul as scum before. He'd have a much easier time defending MT who's active, and wouldn't even give him a flip for town cred if it was a bus. As for Jam, we seem to just have incompatible Mafia styles so I could've taken that "super active" comment in stride, but calling the votes on Flam bullying? Maybe I'm underestimating how much I posted at him cause we didn't end up in a slapfight, but this sure seems like it's painting a pretty narrative. ##vote Jam
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Aug 2, 2017 21:27
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I am gonna give Jam a chance to respond before I make my final decision. I think Asiina laid out the issues with that post pretty clearly.
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Aug 2, 2017 21:28
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Murmur Twin posted:Hahaha I'll bet 100$ it's Birdstrike. The behaviour sounds like Birb but those smilies are an abomination.
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Aug 2, 2017 21:42
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Bifauxnen posted:As for Jam, we seem to just have incompatible Mafia styles so I could've taken that "super active" comment in stride, but calling the votes on Flam bullying? Maybe I'm underestimating how much I posted at him cause we didn't end up in a slapfight, but this sure seems like it's painting a pretty narrative. Yeah, I don't like this either. Making cases against someone whose alignment we don't even know is bullying? What?
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Aug 2, 2017 21:43
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Somberbrero posted:Jam, max, and mith are all not voting. Come on, get some skin in the game. We need something to happen. Mithross posted:I'm a bit torn between wanting to vote Hal or Jam just now. I'm going to sleep on it, I think. I don't work tomorrow, so I should be around all day. Sorry, I woke up and had to close out my game, which ended this morning. I'm back in here and this is the only thing I have running now. I'm going to do another quick read through of things that happened since I went to sleep, then I'll drop so many votes your head will spin (assuming 1 vote is all it takes to make your head spin)
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Aug 2, 2017 21:55
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  Jamuraan (3): Murmur Twin, Hal Incandenza, Bifauxnen Murmur Twin (2): Sandwolf, Somberbrero Hal Incandenza (1): Bifauxnen, Murmur Twin, Somberbrero, Asiina (1): Jamuraan Not Voting (2): Max, MithrossWith 9 hunies, it's 5 votes to pop. Figure out who to pop by August 02nd, 2017 at 8 p.m. EDT -- that's in about 2 hours, 47 minutes. 
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Aug 2, 2017 22:12
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Hi what's happening
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Aug 2, 2017 22:19
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Voting Asiina is dumb, how did Jam come to that conclusion?
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Aug 2, 2017 22:22
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Still not sure Jam would have tried to make that joke to non joke vote conversion day 1 as scum but dunno his other arguments are bad.
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Aug 2, 2017 22:26
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Also driving upstate soon so I'll probably drop a vote and jet in a moment.
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Aug 2, 2017 22:28
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Let's see what happens when we tie it up. ##vote MMT
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Aug 2, 2017 22:36
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Driving away now, have fun.
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Aug 2, 2017 22:41
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I'm sort of around, and would rather vote Jam than MMT (especially after that big post of his) but I still think Hal's a better choice than either of them. Hal's been saying a whole lot of nothing the whole game and voting for people for making the same cases that he himself has been making, and he doesn't have a good explanation for why his cases are different and therefore good.
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Aug 2, 2017 22:43
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I'll check in if we stop at a rest area.
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Aug 2, 2017 22:45
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Max posted:Let's see what happens when we tie it up. I really hate this, btw. I have a pretty town read on you, but this is some garbage reasoning if that's all there is to it.
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Aug 2, 2017 22:47
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Asiina posted:I'm sort of around, and would rather vote Jam than MMT (especially after that big post of his) but I still think Hal's a better choice than either of them. I don't think that's an accurate portrayal at all Asiina. I feel like I've said plenty, certainly as much as any other game on D2. Who did I vote for that was making the same case as me?
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Aug 2, 2017 22:48
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Hal Incandenza posted:I don't think that's an accurate portrayal at all Asiina. I feel like I've said plenty, certainly as much as any other game on D2. Our whole exchange this morning about Jam and MMT.
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Aug 2, 2017 22:51
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Ok, after processing my top 3 from last night remain my top 3: Hal, Jam, MMT. MMT hasn't provided much to go on since last night. Focused some more on Jam and more setup spec about trifaux. Jam meanwhile threw out some scattershot reads that don't look very good. Hal has made a few alignment calls today. He's still in my top 3 but he's dropped down. I'm actually kinda on the fence between Jam and MMT now, but MMT has been posting, so ##vote Jam That's -1
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Aug 2, 2017 23:38
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i'm setting an alarm for an hour from now. jam, if you're town, you really should claim. without flips this is absolutely mission critical. otherwise i'll hammer then.
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Aug 2, 2017 23:47
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I took a nap and am back. Don't want to accidentally lose track of time around deadline, so everyone cool if I hammer?
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Aug 2, 2017 23:47
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Somberbrero posted:i'm setting an alarm for an hour from now. jam, if you're town, you really should claim. without flips this is absolutely mission critical. This is also fine.
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Aug 2, 2017 23:48
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Jamuraan posted:MY THOUGHTS SO FAR: I feel like you're contradicting yourself here - if you think Somber is scum, what could the masonry possibly be? Why would there be someone lying about their identity in a masonry to a scumbo?
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Somberbrero posted:I don't want to oversimplify and confuse the issue, but how much of this could be explained as poor town play rather than effective scum play? i see most of that posting as attributable to town as well. I think that the self-consciousness is specifically a scum trait - like the last time I was scum I felt hyper-aware of the fact that I didn't have any sort of point of view and kept apologizing for it, and after thinking about it I came to realize that I only ever do that as scum. Somberbrero posted:i'm setting an alarm for an hour from now. jam, if you're town, you really should claim. without flips this is absolutely mission critical. Somberbrero posted:i'm setting an alarm for an hour from now. jam, if you're town, you really should claim. without flips this is absolutely mission critical. Are you still talking with fake_bif? This is mostly just curiousity on my part.
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Max posted:Also driving upstate soon so I'll probably drop a vote and jet in a moment. I wished you good casino luck and everything  What, you think I offer that to just anyone?
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Aug 3, 2017 00:26
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Murmur Twin posted:Are you still talking with fake_bif? This is mostly just curiousity on my part. I still want that essay
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Aug 3, 2017 00:29
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Bifauxnen posted:I still want that essay Can I get an extension on the assignment? I ended up trying to go to the beach every night for like a week to hunt for aliens. (No, this is not me claiming trifaux. This is me being silly. I shouldn't have to clarify but...)
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Aug 3, 2017 00:32
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Maybe we're all in the masonry and this whole game is just an elaborate troll on Somber.
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Aug 3, 2017 00:34
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Alright, 10 minutes until deadline and it doesn't look like Jam is coming back. ##vote Jam 
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Aug 3, 2017 00:51
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Sandwolf posted:Seriously, don't take my word for it, go read through Murmur Twin's post history, it's less than a page. I feel this is a case of glass houses and stones. Did my clarifying what I found scummy about Jam influence your read on me?
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 Lola, as played by Jamuraan, has been popped. It is now Night 2.
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