Volguus posted:That's an interesting packaging. Looks safer from an installation perspective than what i had to do with intel cpus. Yeah, I like it. I always got nervous putting in Intel CPUs, afraid that I would drop the CPU and bend the pins in the socket.
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Combat Pretzel posted:Carrier frame wat?  https://twitter.com/GamersNexus/status/892568976731115520
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Aug 2, 2017 15:56
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Paul just pulled the video. Essentially it showed the install process in depth (because it's Paul) - there's a screwed-down two-part latch system which looks very sturdy to say the least.
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Aug 2, 2017 16:11
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SourKraut posted:I wish that tab said "RIP AND TEAR HERE" instead. They should have run threads under the label and made it say "Rip the threads!"
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Aug 2, 2017 16:14
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For those that missed it. the pulled video involved a green carrier frame, and the 1-2-3 install, and 3-2-1 uninstall.
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Aug 2, 2017 16:20
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Risky Bisquick posted:For those that missed it. the pulled video involved a green carrier frame, and the 1-2-3 install, and 3-2-1 uninstall. Also the contents of the box, which I guess is what the embargo covers since MSI has had a video covering the install process for a while now.
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Aug 2, 2017 16:31
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The MSI video is still up, and they don't slather the paste and squeegee it all over the mobo: https://youtu.be/Z1j3S6MKB_E
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Aug 2, 2017 16:34
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There was a compression clamp of sorts as well holding the CPU inside the box
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Aug 2, 2017 16:35
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Heh, I've seen that MSI video before, but apparently my mind blanked out at that orange thing, because I can't remember it. Probably fast forwarded or something.
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Aug 2, 2017 16:44
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Combat Pretzel posted:Heh, I've seen that MSI video before, but apparently my mind blanked out at that orange thing, because I can't remember it. Probably fast forwarded or something. Last time it was linked it was linked at like 1:30 or something, so after the orange bit is hidden.
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Aug 2, 2017 16:46
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Alpha Man posted:The MSI video is still up, and they don't slather the paste and squeegee it all over the mobo: https://youtu.be/Z1j3S6MKB_E It's not really an MSI video if they don't give the whole motherboard a good coating in radioshack TIM.
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This baby just keeps coming back for me
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BangersInMyKnickers posted:This baby just keeps coming back for me In 5000 years, archeologists will dig up a computer store in the buried ruins of Detroit. And they will try to assemble a prehistorical PC from the scattered parts and install the PGA CPU like this instructional gif suggests.
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Aug 2, 2017 19:10
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I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!
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Aug 2, 2017 19:17
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priznat posted:I prefer the tangy zip of Miracle Whip. You make me sick. How "future-proofed" am I with a AM4 and B350 mobo in terms of upgradeability?
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Aug 2, 2017 19:18
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Alpha Man posted:The MSI video is still up, and they don't slather the paste and squeegee it all over the mobo: https://youtu.be/Z1j3S6MKB_E That's a pretty interesting and fun retention mechanism. Nice.
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Aug 2, 2017 19:21
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Wirth1000 posted:You make me sick. The current AM4 CPU and B350 board will work, this does not mean new cpus will necessarily work without a different board/chipset. See Intel.
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Aug 2, 2017 19:21
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Vast majority of AM3 mobos just needed a BIOS update to use AM3+. It was largely the bottom bin chipsets that didn't get an AM3+ upgrade.
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Aug 2, 2017 19:24
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Can anyone explain to a dweeb like me why Intel are using iGPUs and AMD aren't and what the pipelines for both are? Intel keep fumbling, and I'm a bit worried about Coffee Lake, but I also like the eventual Adaptive Sync support that a modern iGPU might support.
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ufarn posted:Can anyone explain to a dweeb like me why Intel are using iGPUs and AMD aren't and what the pipelines for both are? Intel keep fumbling, and I'm a bit worried about Coffee Lake, but I also like the eventual Adaptive Sync support that a modern iGPU might support. AMD does use iGPUs, they call those chips APUs. They released previous-gen ones a while ago, you can now buy them retail, and they do support Freesync. However, there are no Ryzen based ones available yet. I'd definitely wait for Ryzen based APUs. HalloKitty fucked around with this message at 19:31 on Aug 2, 2017 |
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Risky Bisquick posted:The current AM4 CPU and B350 board will work, this does not mean new cpus will necessarily work without a different board/chipset. See Intel. AMD is historically pretty good about this though, and I believe they've said AM4 will be supported through 2020. Bigger question is whether there will be any CPUs that actually warrant an upgrade in that time.
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VostokProgram posted:AMD is historically pretty good about this though, and I believe they've said AM4 will be supported through 2020. Bigger question is whether there will be any CPUs that actually warrant an upgrade in that time. Zen2 is most assuredly going to be AM4, and will likely be very worth it, ignoring any potential gains AMD might get from Zen steppings in 2018.
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Aug 2, 2017 19:32
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FaustianQ posted:Zen2 is most assuredly going to be AM4, and will likely be very worth it If they could reach an out-of-the-box 4 core turbo of 4.5GHz or so with their existing architecture on a new process node, it would be a pretty decisive win. It doesn't even seem that far off.
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Aug 2, 2017 19:36
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Things like PCIe Gen4 will be coming out at the consumer level probably in the next year, but it won't be a must upgrade type of thing for most people. Same with more USB-C 10gig ports etc. If NV-DIMM RAM makes it into consumer systems within the next couple years I'd be surprised. My old pc still just has pcie gen2 and I've never had the need to upgrade..
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edit: nevermind, im dumb
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ufarn posted:Can anyone explain to a dweeb like me why Intel are using iGPUs and AMD aren't and what the pipelines for both are? Intel keep fumbling, and I'm a bit worried about Coffee Lake, but I also like the eventual Adaptive Sync support that a modern iGPU might support. Intel does it because it's a huge value-add for office machines, the vast majority of which will never game. AMD has APUs with iGPUs, and eventually there will be Ryzen-based APUs but they tend to launch the processors themselves first and APUs later. The expectations are different in the workstation/HEDT class, and 6/8C Ryzens are basically a HEDT-class processor. Intel's X99/X299 don't have an iGPU either. A lot of them will end up paired with Quadros in a workstation role, 1080 Tis in the gaming role, or just nothing at all in a headless server config.
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FaustianQ posted:Zen2 is most assuredly going to be AM4, and will likely be very worth it, ignoring any potential gains AMD might get from Zen steppings in 2018. Oh I have no doubts that it will be good, but will it be good enough that if you spent $200 or $300 Ryzen today, that you would then get your money's worth out of another $200 or $300 Zen 2 chip?
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You would certainly like to think so. But Zen was quite a surprise, who knows how they are going to iterate it. I'd upgrade if the process got it up to 4.5ghz at similar tdp and ran the fabric in async.
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Well, that's what I don't get. The fabric link can switch between IF and PCIe "at will" apparently, at least the intersocket stuff, so it's already kind of async?
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Aug 3, 2017 02:52
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Hmm, TR boosts to 4.2 Ghz on four cores. IIRC early 1800X only managed that with very high voltages, so it looks like the process is already improving or they're using the very best dies for it.
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eames posted:Hmm, TR boosts to 4.2 Ghz on four cores. IIRC early 1800X only managed that with very high voltages, so it looks like the process is already improving or they're using the very best dies for it. That's only two cores per die
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PerrineClostermann posted:That's only two cores per die Ryzen could hit that on zero cores per die though. If the factory boost clocks are that high, they appear to have opened up whatever bottleneck that 4 GHz wall was about.
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Has anyone seen any articles on how important dedicated power phases for the memory controller are for Ryzen? I notice that for TR the Asrock boards are both 11 phase, while everyone else is going 8+2. (Except for MSI, who are pushing 10+3!)
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it says 11 but the marketing pic for the power has 3 inductors separated from the other 8 in a little box for the taichi. But fwiw it just seems to be a 'thing' they do with some of their boards. All of the boards I took a cursory look at are the same, at any rate.
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eames posted:Hmm, TR boosts to 4.2 Ghz on four cores. IIRC early 1800X only managed that with very high voltages, so it looks like the process is already improving or they're using the very best dies for it. where are you getting this from?
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Scarecow posted:where are you getting this from? https://translate.google.com/transl...html&edit-text=
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Ugh. I'm still in the same argument on AnandTech about that Hardware Unboxed benchmark.Zucker2k posted:Techspot takes the cake on that one. They basically clock the Ryzens as high as they'll go and try to pretend they're doing a clock for clock comparison. For what? Either you run the chips at stock, or you run them overclocked, to whatever clocks they can achieve. If you want to test a Ryzen chip at 4Ghz, you go for the 1800x which'll give you 4Ghz (XFR), but the price will be higher and it won't look too good so what do you do? You take the lower priced Ryzen, overclock it to 1800x+XFR levels (the highest you could clock Ryzen without exotic cooling) and test the chips in as few cpu-demanding games as possible. FYI, the 7820x turbos to 4.3Ghz and Turbo Max is 4.5Ghz. http://www.anandtech.com/show/11550/the-intel-skylakex-review-core-i9-7900x-i7-7820x-and-i7-7800x-tested so 4Ghz is actually an underclock, for stock conditions! The narrative is changing. Soon, a clearer picture will emerge. And here's my attempt to explain why the test is good and useful for the nth loving time: quote:I'll attempt to explain why the methodology of this test is actually useful, even if the results are not particularly exciting. Am I crazy? Am I committing some failing of logic? I just don't seem to be getting through to this guy.
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so still just a rumor at this stage bummer
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Measly Twerp posted:Am I crazy? yes Measly Twerp posted:Am I committing some failing of logic? Yes Measly Twerp posted:I just don't seem to be getting through to this guy. Because you are trying to present evidence and knowledge to people not on SA even here there is a 80-20 chance that it won't go through.
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