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PostNouveau posted:I know they didn't cast him until like a month before shooting started. I heard similar things. I'd also love to hear what actually went down. What I was led to believe is that they were way, way behind schedule in development, and were contractually obligated to deliver by some set time. And Scott Buck bid for the job, was available, and could do it in time and within budget. I have no clue if this is real or totally apocryphal, but if it is, that'd explain a ton of the safe, half-baked, or outright incompetent choices at play in that mess.
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Phone posting but if you look back a couple of years ago, there were articles back then about how they couldn't reconcile the mystic elements of Iron Fist and still keep it grounded on the street level. From memory I think Iron Fist was suppose to come out before Luke Cage and even after the first season of DD dropped and filming, pre-production and writing for JJ, LC and DD season 2 were already under way, nothing had progressed for Iron Fist. Buck sucks yeah but the show being terrible isn't entirely his fault.
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Narcissus1916 posted:I know Jones has talked about having fifteen minutes to learn choreography, but what caused the mess in the first place? Keep in mind that's not necessarily sign of dysfunction, it's apparently how most tv shows handle fight choreography. When you only have a week to film an entire hour of television you can't have your star spending days rehearsing one scene. Now you could argue that since IF is a Netflix show they didn't have to shoot it like NCIS, but 
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Admittedly Luke Cage and Jessica Jones are brawlers and most of the others with action scenes were either brawlers, red shirt stunt men, or cops with guns. But AOS and Daredevil have some pretty drat good fight scenes with some of their leads and it just doesn't make sense why Iron Fist couldn't at least try to imitate that. Hell the best fight scene in the whole show was directed by a guy who has done some good fight scenes for Shield. If the problem is "well he doesn't have a costume, so it is hard to place a stunt man in"....then give him a costume then. Or do the whole bandanna around his head thing or something like that.
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Aug 2, 2017 17:06
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Why is Daredevil the only one to get a costume anyway?
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Aug 2, 2017 18:02
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DrNutt posted:Why is Daredevil the only one to get a costume anyway? Everyone else told him they're in costume too.
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Aug 2, 2017 18:06
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Daredevil got lucky, really. DeKnight was somewhat fresh off Spartacus, which has some of the best fighting of a western TV show. Season 2's was still pretty good, but it was a big step down from 1 imo.
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The structure of Daredevil season one was good for fights too- the way he worked his way through all the different gangs meant there was a good variety of goons with different fight styles for him to beat up.
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Happy Noodle Boy posted:Everyone else told him they're in costume too. Luke Cage did get his costume in one episode. Then he discarded it because it looks silly as hell. His costume is a dark hoodie with bullet holes. Jessica was presented with her superhero costume and name, and derided them as a stripper's name and outfit. Danny has no excuse, though. Matt at least is specifically trying to hide his identity and wear some armor in the process, armor that Jessica and Luke don't need.
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I mean, if they don't do a joke when Matt finally puts on his costume and asks everyone else if they're suited up then the whole Defenders series is a waste. But yeah, Jessica and Luke just aren't hiding their identities or needing to protect themselves. And Danny never really set out to be a super hero and was just following the threads of his hosed up life. It would make more sense for him to adopt a mask at least once he starts doing general good doer stuff.
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And as Tony Stark and Thor have made clear, it's not like you can't be a hero without a secret identity. Still doesn't mean they couldn't have given him a bath robe or some kind of excuse to keep his face hidden.
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RareAcumen posted:And as Tony Stark and Thor have made clear, it's not like you can't be a hero without a secret identity. Secret identities seem to be the exception rather than the norm in the new Marvel-verse, really. Hawkeye, Ant-man, Daredevil, and now Spiderman seem to be the only ones.
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Aug 2, 2017 23:49
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I wonder if Hawkeye and Ant-Man's identities are even secret after Civil War.
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Arist posted:I wonder if Hawkeye and Ant-Man's identities are even secret after Civil War. Hawkeye's probably isn't, good catch, and Hank Pym. Scott Lang would still be a secret, though. And maybe Falcon.
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Super heroes in the MCU are a little different than the regular comic book world because they're generally not engaging in a lot of general crime fighting or with a rogues gallery of arch villains. The Defenders and Spider-Man are kind of the exception. A lot of the rest are government agents (Cap, Widow, Hawkeye, Falcon, War Machine), kind of outsiders with problems (Hulk, Witch) or just outer worldly beings (Thor, Strange, Guardians, Vision). Iron Man is maybe the one exception because he's had a bunch of enemies and big fights, but they made a point of Stark outing himself and then his home getting blown up and girlfriend getting kidnapped. So whoops. That's kind of what sets Defenders apart, besides the production differences. They're all street level heroes who are doing actual crime fighting instead of doing government missions and saving the world.
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Cythereal posted:Secret identities seem to be the exception rather than the norm in the new Marvel-verse, really. Hawkeye, Ant-man, Daredevil, and now Spiderman seem to be the only ones. Bruce Banner being the Hulk is common knowledge? I know the military showing up with multiple war vehicles doesn't make it really unnoticeable but I'm not sure about them just having wanted posters up for him everywhere or not.
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RareAcumen posted:Bruce Banner being the Hulk is common knowledge? I know the military showing up with multiple war vehicles doesn't make it really unnoticeable but I'm not sure about them just having wanted posters up for him everywhere or not. High school students in Spiderman: Homecoming seem to know that the Hulk is Banner, yeah.
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RareAcumen posted:Bruce Banner being the Hulk is common knowledge? I know the military showing up with multiple war vehicles doesn't make it really unnoticeable but I'm not sure about them just having wanted posters up for him everywhere or not. I have to assume that he's not a wanted criminal anymore, now that he's working with Shield
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I mean, I'm guessing the Hulk incidents were big enough news that there was tons of coverage and investigation and it probably wouldn't be that hard to trace it back to Banner's lab exploding or something. And that assumes Ross didn't just out him. Or he didn't get outed when Widow released the SHIELD files.
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Cythereal posted:High school students in Spiderman: Homecoming seem to know that the Hulk is Banner, yeah. I'm only as caught up as Doctor Strange and both Guardians movies, haven't seen that one, Ant Man or Thor 2 yet so I hadn't realized this was already addressed.
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RareAcumen posted:I'm only as caught up as Doctor Strange and both Guardians movies, haven't seen that one, Ant Man or Thor 2 yet so I hadn't realized this was already addressed. Homecoming is great for little touches that make the world feel more lived-in - there's a group of high school girls playing gently caress Marry Kill with the Avengers, for example. If there was ever a MCU film to reference the Defenders, Homecoming would have been a great choice to mention the Hell's Kitchen clusterfuck on a news report or have Trish Talk on the radio or some such. To quote an example from CineD: quote:"Um, Mr Happy, Sir? I know we talked about me branching out to the other boroughs, but I tried that the other night, and this scary lady threw me over a brownstone. She smelled like cheap whisky and vomit and called me... um... I kinda don't wanna repeat it?"
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Pretty much everyone is the world agrees, Defenders is generally good but Iron Fist sucks. https://www.gamespot.com/articles/marvels-the-defenders-knows-exactly-how-to-deal-wi/1100-6452253/
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So if defenders isn't poo poo, are we changing the thread title?
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Tv IV > Netflix Marvel: Defenders is generally good but Iron Fist sucks
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Daredevil's suit allows an actual stuntman to stand in for Charlie Cox. Therefore, Iron FIst should have some sort of face covering just to give poor Finn Jones a break.
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Kegslayer posted:Phone posting but if you look back a couple of years ago, there were articles back then about how they couldn't reconcile the mystic elements of Iron Fist and still keep it grounded on the street level. From memory I think Iron Fist was suppose to come out before Luke Cage and even after the first season of DD dropped and filming, pre-production and writing for JJ, LC and DD season 2 were already under way, nothing had progressed for Iron Fist. Buck is a complete and utter hack, but he didn't hire himself, and by most indications, it was Marvel Television's idea to minimize the most interesting aspects of the character. No wonder they couldn't find anyone else who would agree to their idiotic remit.
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Netflix Marvel: "The world is ready for a bullet-susceptible Iron Fist"
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Wet Hot American Summer pops up tomorrow!
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Gynovore posted:Pretty much everyone is the world agrees, Defenders is generally good but Iron Fist sucks. Remember, never stop making GBS threads on Iron Fist. Never, ever, ever. Not for any reason. It's been five minutes! Quick, someone poo poo on it!
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CAPT. Rainbowbeard posted:Remember, never stop making GBS threads on Iron Fist. Never, ever, ever. Deal! Jesus how much less charismatic can Dany get?
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bunnyofdoom posted:Deal! if you don't like Emilia Clarke's acting, take it to the GoT thread
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Her acting is so bad it transcends threads tbh
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Narcissus1916 posted:Daredevil's suit allows an actual stuntman to stand in for Charlie Cox. Therefore, Iron FIst should have some sort of face covering just to give poor Finn Jones a break. Nobody knows why they aren't using it for Danny. They're definitely aware of it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0IxqeOP2FU
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Danny's suit should have been presented as his ceremonial Iron Fist dress and mirrored Luke Cage and Jessica Jones rejecting their traditional comic looks. The only person to lean into dressing up should be the poor blind guy.
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Gyges posted:Nobody knows why they aren't using it for Danny. They're definitely aware of it. Honestly this was probably my favorite seventeen seconds of the show.
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Aug 4, 2017 06:05
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Here's a behind the scenes photo of the '48 Fist: The glowing armbands are to help the CGI guys add in the glowing fists in the right positions
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Aug 4, 2017 10:59
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That's a better costume than Danny "Just Got Back from My Gap Year" Rand.
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Habibi posted:Honestly this was probably my favorite seventeen seconds of the show. It was definitely the most exciting. e: second most exciting behind ice cream murder
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They definitely should just give Danny the mask. My hope is that at some point during Defenders he gets real nervous about his identity being public, Jessica and Luke both give him poo poo for it, and then they just take Matt's Iron Fist mask, cut some holes in it, and give it to Danny. My hope is that most of Defenders is Jessica and Luke giving Danny poo poo while Matt quietly takes pity on him.
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IIRC those tights in all their variations are ceremonial. If Defenders ever gets there, I could see Matt pulling "I know a guy" at Danny and latter gets green-yellow kevlar or something.
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