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BioEnchanted posted:I think at least some of the episodes of Round the Twist may have been based of the books of Paul Jennings - at least the Gross-people-out-with-raisins-on-a-Flyswatter episode was one of the tricks that the character in those books went through
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Rugrats and Rocket Power were god-awful and I didn't like them even when I was the target age. However, I won't hear a word against the first few seasons of Spongebob
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RareAcumen posted:Same, but Rocket Power. Boy, I don't know if I could even pick out a specific episode that didn't age well, the whole thing is so tied up the lat 90s/early 00s "extreme sports" craze. Live by the aesthetic die by the aesthetic, I guess. EDIT: A not insignificant portion of the online backlash to Doug can be attributed to one particular e-celeb with a childhood grudge about it being used to make fun of him for also being named Doug, because it's a real dumb world we live in. Sit on my Jace has a new favorite as of 19:55 on Aug 5, 2017 |
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BioEnchanted posted:I liked the characterisation of Peter Prickly and Muriel Finster - Prickly was just like TJ when he was a kid, but eventually life caught up with him and he had to start taking himself more seriously, until he took it too far and became an rear end in a top hat, until he noticed what he'd became and dialled it back a bit. Recess will always get a pass from me because the School's Out film had James Woods hamming it up as a bond villain.
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Arcsquad12 posted:Recess will always get a pass from me because the School's Out film had James Woods hamming it up as a bond villain. Also has that bit where Miss Finster smashes through a skylight on the end of a rope like a commando then yells, "Hey! Teacher! Leave those kids alone!"
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Marmaduke! posted:My wife watches and rewatches all of the new Doctor Who stuff regularly (why no, she doesn't have a job, how did you know?), I'll have to ask her how the episode where the doctor is on Big Brother, and another character is on The Weakest Link, seems these days. I finished season 1 of Doctor Who, and I can confirm the Big Brother and Weakest Link references don't hold up particularly well. They don't derail the show, but come across as tepid satire in a not-great episode. I like the sci-fi and horror episodes (Father's Day and Empty Child were excellent), but the British culture plots are tedious. Aliens disguised as fat people, and they fart a lot? Somehow that was a two parter? I'm still not decided on the series as a whole. We are three episodes into season 2, and I hope David Tennant gets a lot better fast. Christopher Eccleston was great but Tennant seems underprepared, though I liked him on Jessica Jones.
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Doug and Totally Spies are both terrible cartoons that are worth watching for their amazing soundtracks. I generally find that South Park episodes I agree with have aged well, whereas ones I disagree with have not. Funny, that.
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I think my favourite Recess episodes were: the one where the government outlaws Recess due to lobbyists or some poo poo, then the adults all realise that suddenly the kids are having trouble concentrating, formerly bright pupils are starting to fall behind - they're all burning out severely without any time to decompress. Then the government come up with a solution that hilariously reinvents the wheel - give the students 15 minutes in the morning and afternoon to leave the building and decompress, giving it an elaborate acronym that is literally R.E.C.E.S.S - they literally reinvent the wheel, but the pronunciation changes to "Reckess" in a hilariously absurd moment. The one where Prickly overhears TJ using the word "Whomps" and teams up with Miss Finster to try to outlaw it thinking it's a new swear - as soon as it's brought before the courtroom the judge hears the word himself, after being in the dark about the nature of the word for the entire episode, then bursts into laughter at the idiotic adults crowding his courtroom that day. dismissing the case with "What? It's a funny word! Any people who hear anything dirty in it probably simply has a dirty mind themselves." Also on the subject of Totally Spies I always enjoyed the joke with the U.P.W.A.T.I - every time the girls heard it they had hte same exchange, until the final time it appeared at which point they got to say the final line: "And finally, the UPWATI" "Up-what-i?" "Urgghhh... UnderWater Power Walking Apparatus That's Inconspicuous..." BioEnchanted has a new favorite as of 20:15 on Aug 5, 2017 |
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Wheat Loaf posted:I liked Rugrats a lot when I was little. It's got a bit of an off-putting art style in retrospect. Same with Rocket Power. The only show the hideous Klasky Csupo art style worked for was AAAHH! Real Monsters, since that show was meant to be about ugly creatures living in a dump.
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Hyrax Attack! posted:I finished season 1 of Doctor Who, and I can confirm the Big Brother and Weakest Link references don't hold up particularly well. They don't derail the show, but come across as tepid satire in a not-great episode. I like the sci-fi and horror episodes (Father's Day and Empty Child were excellent), but the British culture plots are tedious. Aliens disguised as fat people, and they fart a lot? Somehow that was a two parter? Things only get worse when Tennent comes back. Especially during his finale and "OBAMA WILL SAVE US!" Also a dude fucks a slab of concrete.
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Labes for days posted:The only show the hideous Klasky Csupo art style worked for was AAAHH! Real Monsters, since that show was meant to be about ugly creatures living in a dump. Duckman too because it's an ugly, ugly world but that wasn't a nickelodeon show I hope
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mind the walrus posted:That reminds me of a great early episode of Star Trek: The Next Generation for this thread: The Outrageous Okona. I always got the feeling Okona was one of those episodes where Roddenberry or someone thought that TNG was just the Original Series with less limitations and tried to make the most of it, only to realize twenty big years of social progression happened and their viewpoints were insanely outdated. Another case was that episode where the Federation was being taken over by bugs and Picard and Riker literally blew up a guy who had the queen incide of him and it was pretty gory for '80s standards. TNG could have really, really changed into something else if Roddenberry kicked around for a bit longer. And I doubt it would have been as fondly remembered. evobatman posted:Married with Children is now a sci-fi show about how it's possible to support a wife, two kids, a dog, a car and a mortgage with one shoesalesmans income. Considering all that Al was able to withstand punishment wise, I imagine it's really the story of an immortal who didn't have the smarts to invest and ended up in his own personal hell: the only things he really owns is the lovely house (that was eventually bought up and brought back when yuppies started moving in) and he has so much seniority at the shoe store that he actually makes a fair bit of cash and nobody has had the urge to ask him why for fear of being destroyed utterly, so they roll with it. Or he's just the manager of the store which would make more sense: stuck with all the poo poo work and a meaningless promotion that allows him a slight living wage but no real power at all, just like in real life. Guy Mann posted:The period between the fall of the soviet union and 9/11 was a weird one for entertainment because we had no idea what nebulous evil to dedicate ourselves to fighting so just clung onto whatever was convenient, whether it was identity politics or conspiracy theories. And it turned out we were really good at seeing ourselves as the enemies (see X-Files for that one). Mister Kingdom posted:And Jefferson was a much better partner-in-crime for Al than Steve. Yeah, Ted McGinley's addition to the show was really a nice bit of serendipity. He's probably the one who helped the show get at least two more seasons before Fox dropped the axe on them. Detective No. 27 posted:Things only get worse when Tennent comes back. Especially during his finale and "OBAMA WILL SAVE US!" Also a dude fucks a slab of concrete. "OBAMA HAS A PLAN TO SAVE THE ECONOMY" and the President-Elect going into danger despite that being a position that, normally, is only held for two months and involves getting their own Administration in order.....well, it used to be funny, now it's just downright bizarre. When Doctor Who fucks up, it doesn't hold back. It goes big. Calaveron posted:Duckman too because it's an ugly, ugly world but that wasn't a nickelodeon show I hope Duckman also got into some interesting psychological territory, too, so the strangeness of the artwork could have been impressionism written large. Of course this discounts the series finale which just shits out its entire premise five seconds before the crew flips the audience the bird.
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Koyaanisgoatse posted:Rugrats and Rocket Power were god-awful and I didn't like them even when I was the target age. However, I won't hear a word against the first few seasons of Spongebob Wheat Loaf posted:Doug is a show I enjoyed when I was younger (both the Nick and Disney versions) then about 12-ish years ago when I started going on Internet message boards, I discovered that people loving hated Doug, and I could never understand why. Even years later, I don't understand why people hate Doug, because there's just so little there to hate. Like look at this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9XoKD8Gh-tE Yes it's just "white suburbia-- the show" but it's the least offensive version of that possible. It's this weird little pocket of nothing that smells like pine needles and dead Baby Boomers Mad Doctor Cthulhu posted:I always got the feeling Okona was one of those episodes where Roddenberry or someone thought that TNG was just the Original Series with less limitations and tried to make the most of it, only to realize twenty big years of social progression happened and their viewpoints were insanely outdated. Another case was that episode where the Federation was being taken over by bugs and Picard and Riker literally blew up a guy who had the queen incide of him and it was pretty gory for '80s standards. Wheat Loaf posted:I don't think a lot of the Hanna Barbera cartoons from the 60s and 70s have aged well, especially in comparison to what Disney and Warner Bros were doing at the same time.
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Probably the most insane story to do with Rugrats was when someone managed to get hold of some of those incredibly hosed up and weird storyboards that the guys working on the show made. The story goes that guys working on shows like that would tend to mess around and make fake storyboards of poo poo like the characters killing each other, swearing or doing other absurd stuff and pass it around and each person added to it. It was just a fun little game. The problem came when some dude took it way too far (I'm probably mixing poo poo up so if someone knows what I mean please correct me) and just kept adding really really hosed up stuff. The only board that made it online as I recall has Tommy try to give Angelica some drink he poisoned, then his dad came in and made some really gross remarks to her and kicked Tommy or something. The dude just kept making it grosser and grosser to the point where a higher up on the show found it and nearly fired a ton of people over it.
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Arcsquad12 posted:Recess will always get a pass from me because the School's Out film had James Woods hamming it up as a bond villain. As it turns out, James Woods has also aged poorly. quote:...the Once Upon a Time in America actor tweeted a photo on Sunday, July 9, of a 10-year-old boy and his family celebrating at a recent Pride Parade with the parents holding signs that say “I [love] my gender creative son!” and “My son wears dresses & makeup … get over it!!” Woods wrote, “This is sweet. Wait until this poor kid grows up, realizes what you’ve done, and stuffs both of you dismembered into a freezer in the garage.”
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Hyrax Attack! posted:I finished season 1 of Doctor Who, and I can confirm the Big Brother and Weakest Link references don't hold up particularly well. They don't derail the show, but come across as tepid satire in a not-great episode. I like the sci-fi and horror episodes (Father's Day and Empty Child were excellent), but the British culture plots are tedious. Aliens disguised as fat people, and they fart a lot? Somehow that was a two parter? I don't remember much of Tennant's first series but I watched his second and third recently and he's actually really good, definitely helped out a lot by how good Martha and Donna are. There's some real stinkers, but the good episodes are worth it. There's still a good few set in 2010 England, but they're usually the finales or christmas specials and we all know they suck anyway so whatever.
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Besesoth posted:As it turns out, James Woods has also aged poorly. James Woods is also the guy who sued a weird twitter account for defamation because he made a joke about James Woods doing a shitload of cocaine
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OldTennisCourt posted:Probably the most insane story to do with Rugrats was when someone managed to get hold of some of those incredibly hosed up and weird storyboards that the guys working on the show made. IIRC it was something like Stu making Tommy drink bleach and then telling Angelica to "Ride Daddy's thunder balls".
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Wheat Loaf posted:He was a Democrat right up until Obama won, so you can probably draw your own conclusions. His brain broke on 9/11. He'd actually reported some of the hijackers to the authorities for suspicious behavior on an earlier flight (they were rehearsing the hijacking, apparently).
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Inescapable Duck posted:Rugrats is a lot funnier whenever they focus on the parents.  There's also a strong divide between pre-movie and post-movie Rugrats, I think.
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Oh, I just remembered some non-American stuff that aged very poorly.   Aged poorly in a completely different sense is the very first Tintin strip.   Tintin originally started as a commissioned anti-communist work. Hence why Tintin is a reporter: in the first strips he's uncovering Bolshevik plots to turn the good Europeans away from liberal democracy. During the second world war, the German forces made publishing politically sensitive material too dangerous in occupied Belgium, so Tintin turned into the swashbuckling explorer we know and love today, and his more political slant disappeared. to Hergés credit, after the War he did go in interviews stating that his original strips were influenced by his bourgeois and paternalistic upbringing, and that he somewhat regretted these. Still. Holy poo poo, they did not age well at all.
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Slowpoke Rodriguez posted:I wanted to mention another, Twin Peaks. I started watching it recently, and I am halfway through season 2 which aired in 1990-1991. I think it still holds up super well today. The largest things dating it are the relatively slow pacing by modern standards, and how much the show drew from soap operas of the time. The hair and fashion is of course very early 90s, but that works in a period piece kind of way. I was kind of blown away by the trans character portrayed by David Duchovny, the portrayal isn't perfect, but it is overwhelmingly positive. The pacing problems were the result of studio interference. The show was huge, it blew up in a way that nobody expected in season one, and the studio insisted that David Lynch stretch out season two to double the episodes. When he said no, they fired him and brought in somebody who would. Calaveron posted:NO MA'AM was like prototypical MRA but we were in on the joke that Al and his friends were all a bunch of losers for being in it I bet if you trace the founders of the men's rights movement backwards you'll see every one of them was at just the right age to be watching this and not get that it was a joke. Just like Cartman and the Alt Right. flavor.flv has a new favorite as of 01:01 on Aug 6, 2017 |
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The Moon Monster posted:IIRC it was something like Stu making Tommy drink bleach and then telling Angelica to "Ride Daddy's thunder balls". That sounds accurate. I remember someone found a blog post by the guy who kept adding the grossest stuff and he looked like stereotypical dork and he was weirdly proud of the incident.
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24 has aged pretty badly in general, but I think the biggest problem is that the terrorist plots always center around some sort of WMD. I guess there's not a lot Jack can do about some self-radicalized 22 year old deciding to shoot up a nightclub.John Murdoch posted:The real star of the show is Grandpa and his crotchety antics. It seems like a lot of kids' cartoons get worse every season. Even when I was 8 I could tell that the season leading up to the movie was worse than the original episodes, and the season after the movie where they added the little brother were worse still. Dexter's lab was similar. The first run with the yellow "Dexter's Lab" sign in the opening was great. The next batch had a green sign in the opening was still good but not quite on the same level. Then they changed up the animation style, did a ton of episodes about Mandark and his hippy parents and the show started sucking. I guess that was probably when Genndy left to work on Samurai Jack.
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Man, of all the '90s cartoons I liked in my childhood, Nickelodeon-era Doug is the one I was most certain would still hold up, and now I'm kinda dreading revisiting it. I hated Disney's Doug, and I hadn't even considered the possibility that it wasn't way worse—just that I was older when I watched it.
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^ Doug has actually not aged that badly. It's actually pretty funny now because it's 90's as all hell and in a good way. Hahahaha "I was DISGUSTED with this filth so I drew 12 pages of a cartoon characters dick and balls. It was all fine until some snooty loser confiscated our incest storyboard!"
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Calaveron posted:Duckman too because it's an ugly, ugly world but that wasn't a nickelodeon show I hope Duckman was on USA. I picked up the first couple of seasons in a cheap boxset not long ago. I have yet to get far into a rewatch, but from what I've seen so far, Duckman's held up OK.
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:His brain broke on 9/11. He'd actually reported some of the hijackers to the authorities for suspicious behavior on an earlier flight (they were rehearsing the hijacking, apparently). I know this is a few posts back, but really? I've been judging him quite harshly for his recent dickery, but that's enough to wreck anyone's mind.
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quidditch it and quit it posted:I know this is a few posts back, but really? I've been judging him quite harshly for his recent dickery, but that's enough to wreck anyone's mind. Not enough to cause you to sue a dude who made a drug joke about you, laugh when he dies, and then sue his widow anyway. James Woods is human garbage.
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Calaveron posted:It's why I'm super excited for the reboot because all the jokes in it were pitch perfect Rocko but with current stuff Doug was decent. There were no Rocko or Hey Arnold-like highs, nor were there Rugrats or Spongebob-like lows. I think that Rugrats is better than people give it credit for, but that's usually when we hear from the adults. There are some good references- the "Lipschitz" guy they talk about is just a stand-in for Benjamin Spock, a well-known child raising expert back in the '50s. Also there was that one episode that was a take on Cool Hand Luke. It was a nice change of pace from the dime-a-dozen Citizen Kane parodies in that era (The Simpsons, Tiny Toon Adventures, The Critic... I'm sure there were more).
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mind the walrus posted:Yeah Roddenberry, like Brannon Braga and Rick Berman, is one of those creators where they deserve a lot of poo poo for the stuff they did but also were instrumental in keeping the franchise alive. Roddenberry would have strangled the show by the end of the third season. Some of his edicts were literally dumb poo poo like "in the future we do not mourn our dead" or "no interpersonal conflicts because everyone is so evolved." When you couple it with episodes like Code of Honor (Space Africans kidnap white lady), Up the Long Ladder (19th Century Irish people in space debate the number of clone wives they can have; for loving real), and that one where the paradise planet is depicted as blonde hair Ayran supermodels... yeah Roddenberry was a messed up motherfucker even for his day. The closest representation to this I can point to was when Jabootu (of all places) took on the second Jurassic Park movie and noted that Spielberg was playing games with the adventurer character, and how he wanted him to be the good guy but realized that after a few decades he was just as morally wrong as a lot of villains (the living face of colonialism and such). In a way, that's how I feel that the Okona episode when wrong: Trek was trying to harken back to its swinging '60s past and really didn't get why they were wrong or expected sci-fi to be the same as it was back in the '60s when nearly everything went and it was a very white male focused sort of universe. Of course, the Jabootu guy also was slamming the movie for ignoring the white male adventurer character where I feel most people would be of the other mind, appreciating what Spielberg was doing by bringing that archetype in and then taking it down a peg. Also, Roddenberry had some really lovely ideas for drama as well. No emotion? No conflict? How the gently caress are you going to have any dramatic impact then? That's another thing that Trek in the '90s really did wrong: piss away any dramatic focus that showed the Federation as being less than perfect. Just because you take away the need for survival doesn't mean humans stop being assholes, jerks, or bigots. He did a good job saving the show and letting it become what it is today, but holy poo poo a lot of that had to be some amazing luck. Besesoth posted:As it turns out, James Woods has also aged poorly. I want to see the James Woods of Videodrome interact with the James Woods of today, because I sincerely doubt it's the same person. Koyaanisgoatse posted:James Woods is also the guy who sued a weird twitter account for defamation because he made a joke about James Woods doing a shitload of cocaine That actually may be the difference.
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get that OUT of my face posted:I'd say Hey Arnold and Rocko were the best Nicktoons, but they had completely different tones. Hey Arnold's sincere, non-judgmental vibe is very commonplace on shows today but was a breath of fresh air in the cynical '90s. On the other hand, Rocko's deep cynicism about society will feel like something we didn't think we needed once the movie comes out. I think a very strong argument could be made that the episode of Hey Arnold where Helga sees a therapist is one of the best episodes of a children's cartoon not just of the 90's, but of all time.
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Mad Doctor Cthulhu posted:That's another thing that Trek in the '90s really did wrong: piss away any dramatic focus that showed the Federation as being less than perfect. Just because you take away the need for survival doesn't mean humans stop being assholes, jerks, or bigots.
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