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joshtothemaxx posted:Yeah. Although it's not egregious because the gag is that Hank doesn't even realize crossdressing is a thing. It's more that Hank is totally ignorant to the concept than a bigot. Bobby is a cruel and selfish boy it's not out of character at all. The show makes it clear he'd be a bully if he wasn't so fat, weak, coddled and lazy.
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Wrong. He is the reincarnation of Lama Sanglug, and a transcendent soul.
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A line I always remember is in I Love Lucy, where Lucy and Ethel are discussing going somewhere. Lucy is in a rush and suggests they take the train, or maybe subway, and Ethel says aghast, "In my blue jeans?" Even at the time (25 years ago on Nick-at-Nite?) I thought it was crazy to imagine a time when there was a dress code for public transportation.
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I think a comment was made regarding the Dick Van Dyke show that Mary Tyler Moore being shown wearing pants more often than wearing a skirt/dress was sort of seen as a bit daring for that era in media.
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Aug 11, 2017 04:15
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Lucy and Ricky weren't even allowed to be shown sleeping in the same bed. The first on-screen couple to do so were Fred and Wilma Flintstone.
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Detective No. 27 posted:Lucy and Ricky weren't even allowed to be shown sleeping in the same bed. The first on-screen couple to do so were Fred and Wilma Flintstone. Depending on how you interpret it, it was arguably the first TV inter-racial couple in the US. Desi Arnaz was Cuban but also White so it got around that.
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sassassin posted:Bobby is a cruel and selfish boy it's not out of character at all. What? No. Not at all. Where did you get that from? Bobby's a big softy who likes to make people laugh.
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RagnarokAngel posted:Depending on how you interpret it, it was arguably the first TV inter-racial couple in the US. Desi Arnaz was Cuban but also White so it got around that. She still had to fight tooth and nail to get him on the show. So much so that that's why they started their own studio, if I'm remembering right.
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Detective No. 27 posted:She still had to fight tooth and nail to get him on the show. So much so that that's why they started their own studio, if I'm remembering right. I'm not sure if it was for that reason, but they did start Desilu Productions, which took a chance on producing Star Trek which was cool and good.
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Aug 11, 2017 04:58
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1950's TV was so racist that the first black character in a drama show had to constantly carry a gigantic cardboard placard that said "USE RINSO DETERGENT!!!" in such a way that his entire body was covered by it at all times.
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Detective No. 27 posted:Lucy and Ricky weren't even allowed to be shown sleeping in the same bed. The first on-screen couple to do so were Fred and Wilma Flintstone. That's supposedly Mary Kay and Johnny, which aired from 1947-50.
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Hyrax Attack! posted:I'm not sure if it was for that reason... It was.
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joshtothemaxx posted:Bill's cousin Gilbert is openly gay and talks about sleeping with a Dallas Cowboy. Hank is obviously uncomfortable but... I mean come on Gilbert is a creepy (but hilarious) dude regardless of orientation. bad audio quality but lmao https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8eyU7qAJ8zg
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Detective No. 27 posted:She still had to fight tooth and nail to get him on the show. So much so that that's why they started their own studio, if I'm remembering right.
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get that OUT of my face posted:I recently learned that Star Trek probably wouldn't have even aired if it weren't for Lucille Ball going to bat for it. Not related to the subject at hand, but it's an interesting fact nonetheless. That's true. In the original 60's series the end credits would say "A Desilu Production" I remember that from watching reruns of Star Trek as a boy in the 70's Speaking of the 70's there was an episode of What's Happening where a major character gets roped into smuggling in a tape recorder to make a bootleg recording at a Doobie Brothers concert. He gets busted and we all learn about the evils of music piracy. So I guess that does age well.
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quote:Speaking of the 70's there was an episode of What's Happening where a major character gets roped into smuggling in a tape recorder to make a bootleg recording at a Doobie Brothers concert. He gets busted and we all learn about the evils of music piracy. So I guess that does age well. I don't know what this crappy Brit 80s show is, but they're doing dodgy deals with one of the best satirical indie bands around https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=usyn9sBFMHo Chrpno has a new favorite as of 11:12 on Aug 11, 2017 |
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Chrpno posted:I don't know what this crappy Brit 80s show is, but they're doing dodgy deals with one of the best satirical indie bands around Ah, Byker Grove. "E'S BLIND, MAN! HE CANNAE SEE!"
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Mister Adequate posted:I knew Matlock was a real show, but I did not know it starred Andy Griffith. Mainly because I thought Andy Griffith and Andy Richter were the same person.  Andy Griffith and Andy Griffiths are two completely different people.
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BiggerBoat posted:What? No. Not at all. Where did you get that from? I watched the show. Bobby is a selfish weasel who loves attention. The punchline in like half the episodes is that conservative stick-in-the-mud Hank actually does know what's best for his free-spirit idiot child.
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get that OUT of my face posted:I recently learned that Star Trek probably wouldn't have even aired if it weren't for Lucille Ball going to bat for it. Not related to the subject at hand, but it's an interesting fact nonetheless. To bring it back around, Star Trek was the first show with a black/white interracial kiss!
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Wheat Loaf posted:Ah, Byker Grove. Classic
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The big shock of Jimmy Saville, the incredibly creepy TV man who constantly made jokes about being a rapist, actually being a massive child abuser and rapist has meant a lot of British TV episodes can't be broadcast again. Most relevant to goons is obviously the Doctor Who crossover  the BBC got real poo poo when they re-aired an episode of pre-school show The Tweenies with a little shout out to Jimmy too
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Mister Kingdom posted:Night Court had a few episodes that could have gone wrong, but I think they handled them fairly well. Night Court loving owns and holds up extremely well.
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Choco1980 posted:To bring it back around, Star Trek was the first show with a black/white interracial kiss! Yeah but wasn't it forced by some mind controlling aliens or something?
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JediTalentAgent posted:I think a comment was made regarding the Dick Van Dyke show that Mary Tyler Moore being shown wearing pants more often than wearing a skirt/dress was sort of seen as a bit daring for that era in media. It was, and iirc Moore was only allowed to be in pants one scene per show due to the network being concerned about morals or whatever at the time period. I personally feel The Dick Van Dyke Show overall aged incredibly well, it's still well-written and funny. More relevant to this thread I recall a flashback episode where Rob and Laura had just brought Ritchie home from the hospital and Rob gets it into his head that their baby was switched because they received a gift basket meant for another family by mistake. Eventually they invite the other family over, resulting in one of the longest sustained audience reactions for the time: https://youtu.be/jbcLhFYREEI - and note the joke is completely on Rob. yo rear end is grass posted:Yeah but wasn't [the Kirk/Uhura kiss] forced by some mind controlling aliens or something? It was (and I want to say the aliens were eventually retconed as Q continuum members), but story aside just showing that under ANY circumstance at the time was "shocking" and challenging to an audience still living under Jim Crow laws (whether legal or not) and growing up with segregated spaces.
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Saint Drogo posted:The big shock of Jimmy Saville, the incredibly creepy TV man who constantly made jokes about being a rapist, actually being a massive child abuser and rapist has meant a lot of British TV episodes can't be broadcast again. Oh god, I thought that was a photoshop. http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xau8l6
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SUPERMAN'S GAL PAL posted:It was, and iirc Moore was only allowed to be in pants one scene per show due to the network being concerned about morals or whatever at the time period. I personally feel The Dick Van Dyke Show overall aged incredibly well, it's still well-written and funny. More relevant to this thread I recall a flashback episode where Rob and Laura had just brought Ritchie home from the hospital and Rob gets it into his head that their baby was switched because they received a gift basket meant for another family by mistake. Eventually they invite the other family over, resulting in one of the longest sustained audience reactions for the time: https://youtu.be/jbcLhFYREEI - and note the joke is completely on Rob. This is really good.
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SUPERMAN'S GAL PAL posted:It was, and iirc Moore was only allowed to be in pants one scene per show due to the network being concerned about morals or whatever at the time period. I enjoy the story about Katherine Hepburn being told that she couldn't wear trousers around a studio lot in the 1950s (or earlier, I'm not sure) and responding by taking them off and going around in her underwear instead until they said she could put them back on.
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BiggerBoat posted:Holy poo poo. Here's one. The one thing I hate about The Real World, and pretty much every reality TV show, is that they put people in these pressure cookers and claim they don't want people fighting but when someone actually does fight they use that footage almost exclusively to promote the show.
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sassassin posted:I watched the show. Bobby is a selfish weasel who loves attention. Joseph could have jarring characterization shifts too. One episode he'll be the elite QB carrying the Arlen team, the next episode he's being a socially isolated weirdo with Bobby.
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sassassin posted:I watched the show. Bobby is a selfish weasel who loves attention. King of the Hill is pretty inconsistent with its messages because Mike Judge's involvement waxed and wanted over time; Judge's episodes tend to have Hank as a voice of reason while the ones by the rest of the staff are more willing to have him be wrong and the butt of the joke. But regardless, Bobby's whole thing is that he's a free spirit and Hank spends so much time trying to stamp that out of him while at the same time his own father doesn't respect him but loves Bobby precisely because he's willing to be himself and not let other people get him down. Much like him being subservient to Mr. Strickland despite him being a terrible person who is way less qualified than he is, Hank is actively making his life worse by doing what he thinks is right instead of what he really wants.
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I did like that Bobby isn't necessarily right all the time, even when he does have a point. The Christian rock episode was interesting; Hank ends up pulling Bobby away from a concert (and one of the musicians even points to a Commandment to honor thy father and mother to concede the point) and has a talk with Bobby about how he's afraid Christian rock is just going to be another fad that Bobby looks back on with embarassment, and doesn't want that to define Bobby's relationship with religion. A rare point about how you can't use transitory fads to try and get messages through to young people when they'll very likely get bored of and reject it soon enough.
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Guy Mann posted:King of the Hill is pretty inconsistent with its messages because Mike Judge's involvement waxed and wanted over time; Judge's episodes tend to have Hank as a voice of reason while the ones by the rest of the staff are more willing to have him be wrong and the butt of the joke. That Cotton loves Bobby is not a mark in Bobby's favour. They're both awful, arrogant and profoundly selfish people (Bobby has the excuse of being a child so has the potential for change but none of life's lessons really take over the course of the show). How does Hank's loyalty to Buck make Hank's life worse? What is he supposed to take over the company somehow should Buck ruin it/get murdered by gangsters? Hank lives a professional life of quiet satisfaction with an annual bonus (that Bobby spends on himself to try to teach his father a lesson about living like the mtvs).
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sassassin posted:That Cotton loves Bobby is not a mark in Bobby's favour. They're both awful, arrogant and profoundly selfish people (Bobby has the excuse of being a child so has the potential for change but none of life's lessons really take over the course of the show). There's a few episodes showing Buck is a greedy idiot who takes advantage of Hank's loyalty and skill. I think there's an outright episode where the fable of 'the goose that laid the golden egg' finally gets to him when he's pushing Hank too hard.
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Inescapable Duck posted:I did like that Bobby isn't necessarily right all the time, even when he does have a point. That's an all time great episode. I liked how the show had an understanding of Christian youth culture, especially the teen bibles, Bobby not wanting to watch the video of the vegetables learning a lesson, and the Moses game where he outruns the wall of water and starts dancing. Inescapable Duck posted:There's a few episodes showing Buck is a greedy idiot who takes advantage of Hank's loyalty and skill. I think there's an outright episode where the fable of 'the goose that laid the golden egg' finally gets to him when he's pushing Hank too hard. Buck made a serious effort to frame Hank for murdering Debbie, including planting a shotgun shell in his truck and wearing a wire then giving a seemingly incriminating tape to the police. Buck isn't dumb, he knows Hank won't leave and he can keep him underpaid and reap the benefits. Buck could promote him whenever he wants (and did, in the Xmas episode), but why spend money if he doesn't have to?
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Inescapable Duck posted:There's a few episodes showing Buck is a greedy idiot who takes advantage of Hank's loyalty and skill. I think there's an outright episode where the fable of 'the goose that laid the golden egg' finally gets to him when he's pushing Hank too hard. Unless we want Hank to tear down the entire capitalist system he still benefits from his dedication to Buck and sweet lady propane. Hank may find his kindness taken advantage of from time to time but eventually he is appreciated and valued as a worker and a man. He has a good dog and a lawnmower and his wife can have silly hobbies instead of working full-time.
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sassassin posted:How does Hank's loyalty to Buck make Hank's life worse? well, gosh, do you mean OTHER than the time Buck tried to frame him for murder, or...?
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food court bailiff posted:well, gosh, do you mean OTHER than the time Buck tried to frame him for murder, or...? Small price to pay to work in the propane game. What's Hank going to do, go work for Fatherton Fuels?
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Bobby is a teenager and still learning about the world. And usually when he finds out how selfish his behavior is, he learns and betters himself. Hank's love for Buck Strickland is basically PTSD after decades of being Cotton's son. Buck's a saint compared to Cotton. One of the few epsidoe resolutions I outright don't like is the one where Bobby becomes an apprentice to the poop scooper guy. There's a job shadow week at school and Bobby is forced to take a job with a poop scooper. Bobby actually ends up being really into it, and the scooper guy is super successful since he works for rich people and has basically no overhead. He lived in a mansion. Hank doesn't like it because the scooper is naturally charismatic and doesn't think Bobby would be a good fit since he's a slower fat kid. The scooper really likes Bobby too, and is grooming him to start his own similar business. But Hank talks to the scooper guy, convinces him, and they scare Bobby with a fake gang to make it seem like the poop scooping business isn't as glorious as he made it seem. It just screams a lack of faith in his son. Bobby seemingly was making it work too with those frat guys. sassassin posted:Small price to pay to work in the propane game. What's Hank going to do, go work for Fatherton Fuels? Thaterton!
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