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edit - nevermind. I can't figure out how to put this into words in a way I find satisfying.
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Crabtree posted:The funniest thing about Teen Titans Go is that its the only thing DC animation can do right these days. Like hell, you guys can't even do the easiest thing ever and pull out a new batman and CN sure as poo poo won't let Justice League Action see the light of day outside of one short 27 minutes out of a Saturday Morning. That's more Cartoon Network's fault than WB Animation's
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Aug 10, 2017 05:59
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Trebuchet King posted:ttg actually has a black person though. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O5yBH9lQOqc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YLp4feU3T4s I just remembered that there was an episode that dealt with racism in the original Teen Titans. Space racism.
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Aug 10, 2017 18:29
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yes. but i was making a seinfeld joke. jesus.
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Aug 10, 2017 18:50
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drrockso20 posted:That's more Cartoon Network's fault than WB Animation's Considering Cartoon Network is a subsidiary of Time Warner, they are pretty much the Kids TV broadcasting arm of DC itself. I know they hosed up bad with DC Nation, but they are not loving winning the war that Disney is clowning them on having no super hero toons for kids. Like, seriously, make a WW animated series. Or hire Yale Stewart of JL8 to just make a little batman and friends show. The only reason I cared for those characters when I grew up is because it was around the time of BTAS, that's how you hook new blood into this sort of thing! Crabtree fucked around with this message at 19:40 on Aug 10, 2017 |
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Aug 10, 2017 19:35
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Crabtree posted:Considering Cartoon Network is a subsidiary of Time Warner, they are pretty much the Kids TV broadcasting arm of DC itself. I know they hosed up bad with DC Nation, but they are not loving winning the war that Disney is clowning them on having no super hero toons for kids. Unfortunately that is not how Time-Warner works, the various subdivisions have to both compete against each other AND are forced to work together, which leads to a corporate culture where most of the components of Time-Warner hate each other viciously, and Cartoon Network has an especially violent hate for WB Animation and DC Comics cause due to their relation they have to buy shows they make, but not at enough of a profit margin for it to be worth dedicating anything more than the absolute bare minimum of time slots, as they make more money airing their own shows(which is why third party content hasn't done too well on CN the last couple of years) Only reason Teen Titans Go is given so much love by CN is because not only is it cheap and popular, unlike most DC shows CN gets most of the money the show makes, including from merchandising
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Aug 10, 2017 19:46
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drrockso20 posted:Unfortunately that is not how Time-Warner works, the various subdivisions have to both compete against each other AND are forced to work together, which leads to a corporate culture where most of the components of Time-Warner hate each other viciously, and Cartoon Network has an especially violent hate for WB Animation and DC Comics cause due to their relation they have to buy shows they make, but not at enough of a profit margin for it to be worth dedicating anything more than the absolute bare minimum of time slots, as they make more money airing their own shows(which is why third party content hasn't done too well on CN the last couple of years) Or to put it visually just replace "Microsoft" with "Warner Bros" on this chart.
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Aug 10, 2017 19:57
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LORD OF BOOTY posted:... was Cyborg white in the original? I seem to remember him being black there too, and they even did stuff with it a couple times. I thought they were making a crack at non-white characters often not having non-white voice actors behind them, which made me look up who actually did the Cyborg voice. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khary_Payton
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Aug 10, 2017 21:08
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drrockso20 posted:Unfortunately that is not how Time-Warner works, the various subdivisions have to both compete against each other AND are forced to work together, which leads to a corporate culture where most of the components of Time-Warner hate each other viciously, and Cartoon Network has an especially violent hate for WB Animation and DC Comics cause due to their relation they have to buy shows they make, but not at enough of a profit margin for it to be worth dedicating anything more than the absolute bare minimum of time slots, as they make more money airing their own shows(which is why third party content hasn't done too well on CN the last couple of years) Didn't the idiot CEO of Sears do something similar and completely hosed the company forever because of it?
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Aug 10, 2017 21:09
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Dr. VooDoo posted:Didn't the idiot CEO of Sears do something similar and completely hosed the company forever because of it?
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Aug 10, 2017 21:15
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Remember when corp _______ was suing another part of "itself." A sith in my starwars fanfic or Starscream : drat these corps need to learn to backstab less.
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Aug 10, 2017 21:17
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Dr. VooDoo posted:Didn't the idiot CEO of Sears do something similar and completely hosed the company forever because of it? He's still there in that position btw
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drrockso20 posted:Unfortunately that is not how Time-Warner works, the various subdivisions have to both compete against each other AND are forced to work together, which leads to a corporate culture where most of the components of Time-Warner hate each other viciously, and Cartoon Network has an especially violent hate for WB Animation and DC Comics cause due to their relation they have to buy shows they make, but not at enough of a profit margin for it to be worth dedicating anything more than the absolute bare minimum of time slots, as they make more money airing their own shows(which is why third party content hasn't done too well on CN the last couple of years) And this is why DC is going to lose to Marvel for the next decade or so.
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Aug 11, 2017 01:32
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My friend showed me a TTG clip that's a good reference to My Cousin Vinnie, that should count for something. It shouldn't count for filling up much of Cartoon Network's programming that isn't dedicated to new episodes.
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Aug 11, 2017 02:06
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Xelkelvos posted:He's still there in that position btw I believe that's because he also owns the company, and is barely hiding the fact that he's using Sears and K-Mart as tax shelters.
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Aug 11, 2017 03:31
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ThermoPhysical posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O5yBH9lQOqc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HeHUQAnzpF0
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Aug 11, 2017 05:34
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With Static Shock I thought that the School Shooting one was interestingly done - it was entirely aftermath with flashbacks of what led up to the incident, with all the characters talking to a therapist about what happened, with Virgil feeling particularly poo poo because he didn't notice how far the kid had gone until it exploded in everyone's face, and that with all his powers he was unable to defuse the situation when it became untenable.
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Aug 11, 2017 06:26
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The acting was completely flat on its face in the persuit of the psa aspects though.
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Aug 11, 2017 06:53
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ConanThe3rd posted:The acting was completely flat on its face in the persuit of the psa aspects though. Do they do "very special episodes" on kids' TV anymore? I haven't heard of any recently, but I've been out of the game for a while.
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Aug 11, 2017 07:38
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I haven't noticed any, it may be that the best of the people who are making cartoons now understand how to relay such messages intrinsically, alongside the main story instead of putting the story on hold. For example, Steven Universe has a large emphasis on talking problems out and tackled an abusive relationship at one point and it came naturally out of the characters as presented. We didn't need a ~Very Special Episode~ about "Dealing with Abusive relationships" or "Saying No to peer pressure" as the ideas were presented naturally through the progression of Lapis Lazuli and Jasper's arcs as they applied to the overall visual metaphor that is Fusion.
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Aug 11, 2017 07:43
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Some (lousy quality, filmed off a Korean mall display screen by the look of it) new clips from season 2 of Miraculous - the first ones I've seen, actually. Gabriel is The Collector, so I guess that rules him out as being Hawk Moth... doesn't it? It's ridiculous just how stoked I am to see new stuff from a goofy French CGI cartoon.
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BioEnchanted posted:I haven't noticed any, it may be that the best of the people who are making cartoons now understand how to relay such messages intrinsically, alongside the main story instead of putting the story on hold. For example, Steven Universe has a large emphasis on talking problems out and tackled an abusive relationship at one point and it came naturally out of the characters as presented. We didn't need a ~Very Special Episode~ about "Dealing with Abusive relationships" or "Saying No to peer pressure" as the ideas were presented naturally through the progression of Lapis Lazuli and Jasper's arcs as they applied to the overall visual metaphor that is Fusion. It probably means something that a lot of the people making cartoons have grown up watching them now, and are aware how cringeworthy and useless Very Special Episodes are, not to mention the old moral guardians are pretty toothless now. Steven Universe and definitely Adventure Time make social messages part of the narrative. (there was also a SU episode about mindfulness and cognitive therapy, presented in song form)
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Aug 11, 2017 12:32
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BioEnchanted posted:With Static Shock I thought that the School Shooting one was interestingly done - it was entirely aftermath with flashbacks of what led up to the incident, with all the characters talking to a therapist about what happened, with Virgil feeling particularly poo poo because he didn't notice how far the kid had gone until it exploded in everyone's face, and that with all his powers he was unable to defuse the situation when it became untenable. Static Shock also had a racism episode. Richie's dad was apparently a racist and he got called out on it by Virgil's dad about it when Richie went missing. It actually wasn't too bad of an episode, from what I remember? ThermoPhysical fucked around with this message at 17:51 on Aug 11, 2017 |
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Aug 11, 2017 17:25
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The one thing that was too far for the show to actually get on was Richie being gay though. 
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Yardbomb posted:The one thing that was too far for the show to actually get on was Richie being gay though. Yeah, McDuffie said they dropped hints at it a lot but couldn't go and outright say he's gay. I wonder if the show was made in today's world, if they'd be able to..
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Aug 11, 2017 17:52
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I always thought it was weird that there was that one episode with Richie's dad where we find out he's a racist, but it never came up again, the character just wasn't around. You'd think that'd be fairly important. Racist relatives don't just vanish into the ether.
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get that OUT of my face posted:To say nothing of the end where Static outright preaches the message the episode is trying to impart. TTG takes the piss out of them (And did one about 401ks or something to that effect) and MLP Season one had it cooked into the formula (and made for a brillant thumbing of the whole idea in that one episode where not having a PSA able thing drove Twilight bonkers) but that's about it.
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Aug 11, 2017 18:12
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SlothfulCobra posted:I always thought it was weird that there was that one episode with Richie's dad where we find out he's a racist, but it never came up again, the character just wasn't around. You'd think that'd be fairly important. Racist relatives don't just vanish into the ether. Didn't that episode end with him not being Racist anymore?
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Aug 11, 2017 20:08
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I assume cartoons these days either will just push the letter without really trying to make it one episode (Steven universe) or actively avoid controversy in case angry parents or other groups take offense to inclusive messages these days. Its a lot more subtle like those two men that held hands going to dinner in Clarence, but not as plausibly deniable as not directly saying Richie's gay back in the early 00s.
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Aug 11, 2017 21:44
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Those two men kissed, too. Cheeks but we knew what was up.
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Aug 11, 2017 21:52
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I don't know who this Ritchie guy is. Are you maybe talking about Rit-chaaay?
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Crabtree posted:I assume cartoons these days either will just push the letter without really trying to make it one episode (Steven universe) or actively avoid controversy in case angry parents or other groups take offense to inclusive messages these days. Its a lot more subtle like those two men that held hands going to dinner in Clarence, but not as plausibly deniable as not directly saying Richie's gay back in the early 00s. I think there is a growing awareness amongst cartoon creators of how important representation is for marginalized kids, and a lot of them are openly striving to push the envelope where they can. Gravity Falls had the two cops who were all-but explicitly in a relationship (And Hirsch has openly said he fought with Disney to make it explicit and unfortunately lost)*, for example, the Loud House had the one sister ask out another girl, and Star vs had like five on-screen same-sex kisses in the background of an episode. And while there was a parent group reaction to the last case, it fizzled out pretty quickly as the power and influence of those groups has really declined in recent years. The trend is definitely towards more open and explicit inclusion in cartoons, to a degree that would've been surprising even ten years ago. *Edit: Whoops, not quite-I was thinking of a different fight: Interview posted:Kaiser: One of the issues around the show was representation/diversity, and there were a lot of rumors about what Disney would/wouldn’t allow—the little old ladies falling in love in “The Love God” is probably the most famous example. Any comment? Acebuckeye13 fucked around with this message at 23:27 on Aug 11, 2017 |
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Aug 11, 2017 23:18
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Its unfortunate that a part of me is scared that there's certain weight among the wrong people that could force this trend to reverse if they really wanted to, and I hope that will forever be an unfounded paranoia. I may not really care about how gay or other forms of love is executed, but I don't want to deny other people a chance to enjoy cartoons like that.
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Aug 11, 2017 23:50
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SlothfulCobra posted:I always thought it was weird that there was that one episode with Richie's dad where we find out he's a racist, but it never came up again, the character just wasn't around. You'd think that'd be fairly important. Racist relatives don't just vanish into the ether. He continued to show up and later episodes showed his involvement in the community to reflect how his viewpoints had changed.
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Rudoku posted:Those two men kissed, too. Cheeks but we knew what was up.
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Aug 12, 2017 02:24
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And let's not forget Batman and Gordon!
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Late to the conversation but TTG is hilarious to me because growing up I loving loved the original Teen Titans but me and my friends all agreed that Robin was a bit of a control freak, and therefor found it funny to pretend other characters with his voice actor were just as neurotic as he was. And then TTG basically said "hey, you're not just imagining it, Robin TOTALLY was a neurotic control freak" so yeah. good stuff
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Ducktales is good.
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Aug 12, 2017 06:01
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 so who wants to unpack everything in this image
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Most of that is probably comics references. Sky Pirates is an intriguing Tail Spin reference.
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