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EDIT: Update on previous page. Look at all you short sighted chumps planning ship designs to prepare for war with Terra. I'm already planning I mean they may have already wiped out Facility's coalition and Facility is way smarter than Terra.
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Welp, looks like this could get very messy indeed. Space Balkans here we come.
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I'll gladly command some captured IC junkpile.
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Those ships heading back to Triton - can they stick around if we side with the Revolutionaries? The missile ships at least just need new FC's, that's the kind of thing we can probably manage to kludge a fix for in IC shipyards assuming the workers let us in.
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Aug 14, 2017 03:00
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So, the Free State has control of the harvesters, which means they officially have their bargaining chip for negotiations with Terra. I would suggest treating them as a potential ally rather than a vassal.
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Crazycryodude posted:Those ships heading back to Triton - can they stick around if we side with the Revolutionaries? The missile ships at least just need new FC's, that's the kind of thing we can probably manage to kludge a fix for in IC shipyards assuming the workers let us in. Missile ships CG: Macross 1 is missing half it's launchers, all sensors and fire controls, a third of its magazines, and 72% of its armor. Also both bridges, the ECCM, and 75% of it's damage control capability. 28% crew casualties. It's about 44% wrecked (~552 BP), with the engine making up nearly half what remainins intact. DDG: More Missiles! is missing an engine, so it can't keep up with a fleet. It's lost 48% of its magazines, all sensors and fire controls, the ECM, and 74% of its armor. 20% crew casualties. It's 54% wrecked (272 BP). FR: Backstabber is missing all sensors and fire controls, a sixth of its launchers, a seventh of its magazines, 61% of its armor, and most of it's (very limited) damage control capability. 7% casualties. Only 30% wrecked (139 BP). Beam ships CAA: Tharsis has lost active sensors and fire controls, half its turrets, 1/8 of its powerplants, the CIWS mount, 67% of its armor, and has taken 17% casualties. It's 53% wrecked (833 BP). Don't Forget to Breathe has also lost active sensors and fire controls, 3/4 of its turrets, 3/8 of its powerplants, CIWS, ECM, 85% of its armor, 85% of it's damage control, and has suffered 31% casualties. It's 63% wrecked (980 BP). Missile tracking sensors and fire controls tend to be large and expensive installations, which accounts for a lot of the BP costs of the CAAs, and the turrets aren't cheap either. That said, armor repairs alone run around 100 Build Points for each of the cruisers, and 60 and 30 for the smaller ships. Looks like the largest yard locally works at around 70 BP/wk. Assuming we don't give the locals copies of our own schematics (you can hear the Fleet Intelligence deptartment scream from a billion kilometers away), and instead convince them to kludge a roughly equivalent-sized piece from their own experience into one of the missile ships, I'd ballpark estimate 30-50 BP for one of their missile fire controls and double-to-triple that for a sensor.
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Crazycryodude posted:Those ships heading back to Triton - can they stick around if we side with the Revolutionaries? The missile ships at least just need new FC's, that's the kind of thing we can probably manage to kludge a fix for in IC shipyards assuming the workers let us in. Short version is no, they are all too severely damaged to be repaired around Titan.
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Just discovered this thread yesterday and been powering through it. Since my last attempt to be
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 VOTING IS TALLLIED  First up the Martian design board hemmed and hawed for a while but in the end the Type 8 PD fighter and Levy PD Cruiser ran away with the votes. People really don't like getting shot with missiles it seems. code:code:Next up we have the decision on the Saturnian Revolution. It was a close run thing but once second preferences were tallied we have a clear winner with Viva la revolución!  triumphing over Topple the Corporates!  by 27 votes to 17. It's time to party like its Fleet command is in contact with the so called 'Provisional Government' on Titan and they have instructed their compatriots in the orbital infrastructure to render us as much assistance as possible. The Triton Fleet Marines are beginning combat drops at crucial conflict point and the 45th Brigade is beginning the slower process of landing from their enormous transport. We are also preparing for tactical nuclear strikes on IC force concentration and C&C locations. Spirits in the revolution appear to be running high despite heavy losses to both the revolutionaries and civilians caught in the crossfire. One of the orbital quick-fabber stations has somewhat cheekily unfurled a rather large flag showing Titan as the third satellite of Mars.  Terran Response: Fray posted:Ok, we've been hashing this out on discord and we have an idea that appears to have consensus. We really, really don't want a war with Earth right now, and if they come to Saturn guns blazing we won't be able to stop them. At the urging of Fleet command the diplomatic corps has approached United Terra via their Martian ambassador. The Terrans are dismissive about any renegotiation of territorial rights in the solar system other than Saturn space but supportive of the "Titanian right to self governance" and have stated they are open to recognising any new government that forms. They also hinted strongly that they would be very unhappy with any attempt by Mars to unilaterally annex Saturn space. As for the Terran fleet inbound for Saturn the ambassador demurred stating they had no wish to be drawn into the ongoing conflict but that it was long standing policy that breaking the Corporate monopoly over The diplomatic service's takeaway is that the Terran are prepared to support the Titan Free state due to the shattering of the IC's fuel monopoly but have little interest in picking up another fractious colony. At the same time they don't want Mars to secure their Sorium supply should we emerge victorious over the IC in the ongoing conflict. An independent Saturn would seem to nicely align with their priorities and we can expect the Terran force to move with this aim in mind. Finally and more confusingly the Terrans have brought up renegotiating the treaties that govern free passage through space and the extent of allowable territorial claims from an occupied body. There were suggestions that paradigm shifting new developments were incoming and the Ambassadors office had a new, rather provocative image across one wall of spacesuited figures flying a Terran flag on a clearly alien world under a red sun. Obviously there is an intended message here but the exact meaning is still somewhat opaque. Saros fucked around with this message at 14:31 on Aug 14, 2017 |
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Saros posted:...Finally and more confusingly the Terrans have brought up renegotiating the treaties that govern free passage through space and the extent of allowable territorial claims from an occupied body. There were suggestions that paradigm shifting new developments were incoming and the Ambassadors office had a new, rather provocative image of a Terran flag flying on a clearly alien world under a red sun. Obviously there is an intended message here but the exact meaning is still somewhat opaque. [/i] ...Welp. The Terrans either have or will have jump tech in the immediate future. Worst case scenario is that they HAVE an extrasolar colony already. Best case scenario is that they've identified where the jump points in Sol lead and have plans.
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No, worst case is that their forays into jump tech brought along Outsider hitchhikers and they're happily slipping brain worms into the terran leadership. Doesn't seem likely but we're about to be extrasolar and need to expand our definition of bad news.
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Inglonias posted:...Welp. The Terrans either have or will have jump tech in the immediate future. Worst case scenario is that they HAVE an extrasolar colony already. Best case scenario is that they've identified where the jump points in Sol lead and have plans. Ha I just word vomited that in Discord and you've beaten me to in by a good half hour here. Anyway, Intel Request: Can we dig up any data in the last say 30 years regarding the work done around Mercury and/or a dossier on the Director-General of the Terrans daughter and her associations with design corporations. Terran based project regarding anomalous ship designs, not necessarily military association but any government or government-associated enterprise. A focus on small enterprises that came out of no where with power/money or sub-groups in the bigger ones getting more funding than they should. Someone has taken pains to hide these developments from us. Gridlocked fucked around with this message at 14:07 on Aug 14, 2017 |
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Even if Saturn becomes its own entity they'll always remember who bailed their asses out of the fire - I don't think an alliance would be too far out of the realm of possibility.
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Erwin the German posted:Even if Saturn becomes its own entity they'll always remember who bailed their asses out of the fire - I don't think an alliance would be too far out of the realm of possibility. And honestly that's a big damned "if" given that the Titanites are already starting to fly pro-Martian flags. Odds are it'll be a "totes independent" state that just so happens to answer directly to Mars in basically every conceivable way.
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Earth is gonna demand it's at least wink-wink nudge-nudge "independent", us outright annexing the Saturn system is unacceptable to them. But yeah, they seem to really like us, so if that sentiment lasts through us killing a few million people with stray nukes, we're at the bare minimum going to be the preferred ally of the TFS.
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Aug 14, 2017 15:21
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Tythas posted:We interrupt your normal scheduled broadcasting to bring you Rad!
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An "independent" Titan will be really bad for the IC in the long run. All Mars needs to do is start secretly subsidizing their government and in return they start dumping sorium on the open market priced near or even below the cost of production. A sorium glut will drive IC profits down & investors will start dumping the stock. Mars uses a few shell companies to acquire controlling stakes in as many interests as possible, prices go back to normal, and now Mars has an economic WMD it can drop whenever the IC starts things up again.
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Nevets posted:An "independent" Titan will be really bad for the IC in the long run. All Mars needs to do is start secretly subsidizing their government and in return they start dumping sorium on the open market priced near or even below the cost of production. A sorium glut will drive IC profits down & investors will start dumping the stock. Mars uses a few shell companies to acquire controlling stakes in as many interests as possible, prices go back to normal, and now Mars has an economic WMD it can drop whenever the IC starts things up again. You're assuming that there is a long run for the IC at this point. There really isn't. Also, sweet posters Tythas, whether they're yours or ones you found online somewhere.
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Anybody on either side who doesn't want a full scale Mars-Earth war will try and keep the IC going. It's hard to keep a detente going if there are only 2 players, eventually one will be in a slightly stronger position & think they can wipe the other out. As long as there is a moderately powerful third player they will side with the weaker party to prevent a clear victor, since any total victory will leave them facing a singular powerful opponent with no way to win.
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IC dissolution into a bunch of puppet and buffer polities looks like a good direction for poo poo to go in.
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If Earth does have extra-solar capability, Mars is losing the foot race. Now, it could just be mind games and they've just got jump engines and no knowledge of any viable jump points (and the closest in ring of possibles is outside Jupiter's orbit, I believe). Another downside I thought of for a Titan Free State staying independent is that IC effectively surrounds it, so those ships in build are going to have to stay at Titan and they're going to need to fortify. While we could guarantee their independence, that could mean a permanent naval force in the Saturn system. Getting Earth to agree to a joint fleet guaranteeing Saturnian independence would help alleviate that, however.
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So, no word yet from the Terrans on the lightshow above Pluto?
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It might just have been mentioned in the Discord, but I believe their response currently is "There's something going on at Pluto? Huh, neat."Saros posted:Spirits in the revolution appear to be running high despite heavy losses to both the revolutionaries and civilians caught in the crossfire. One of the orbital quick-fabber stations has somewhat cheekily unfurled a rather large flag showing Titan as the third satellite of Mars. So the second satellite of Mars?
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I figure we'll have to deal with whatever IC counterattack is coming first, but afterwards we can see about peaceing out with them and turning our attention to extrasolar matters. Make them recognize Saturnian independence and maybe even peel off Uranus if 3rd Fleet whomps them hard enough. Earth should readily agree to protect Titan from an IC return since the last thing they want is a return of the sorium cartel. Of course, we may want to exclude them and make a bilateral protection deal with the new government in order to maximize our influence going forward.
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Crazyeyes24 posted:So, no word yet from the Terrans on the lightshow above Pluto? It's really hard to overemphasize how much Earth just does not give one single poo poo about anything rimward of the asteroid belt these days. Except for sorium, and even then only because there's nowhere they can get it sunward. I'm sure they've noticed, but the response is gonna be along the lines of "huh, that's weird. Well, whatever they're up to, it can't compete with us having an entire galaxy to plunder let's build more jump ships." E: Once (if?) we repel the counterattacks on Saturn, taking Uranus is just a formality. The only thing they'll have left there after all this is over is a few PDC's we can police up at our leisure.
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Coffeehitler posted:Another downside I thought of for a Titan Free State staying independent is that IC effectively surrounds it, I don't think this is really a concern. At the moment the IC fleet is so badly beaten they won't do anything with it but defend Jupiter. Smaller raiding parties might be a concern but after the revolt on Titan I'll bet the IC is on a defensive footing and will be keeping all ships close to their bases to discourage further revolutions.
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We can hand over the PDC's to the TFS when we're done with them so the locals can repel any light raids, and I think the plan is to have a Martian naval base in the Saturn system anyways. We've been kicking the IC's rear end all over the outer system, and if we can hold out against the currently inbound counterattacks the IC fleet will be firmly on the defensive and small enough that any meaningful attack on Titan draws enough forces away from Jupiter that we can kick in the door and end them.
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Coffeehitler posted:So the second satellite of Mars? 
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Hey come to think of it, given the situation is it too out of line to ask the Titanites if they could, oh I dunno, give us access to whatever data they have on IC designs and technology? Titan was a major shipyard for them, there's got to be something worth looting.
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Coffeehitler posted:So the second satellite of Mars? Mars has two moons. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phobos_(moon) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deimos_(moon)
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LLSix posted:Mars has two moons. And one got blown up in the LP.
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Coffeehitler posted:And one got blown up in the LP. So it did.
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Coffeehitler posted:And one got blown up in the LP. wait, when?
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The IC nuked it and a bunch of orbital terraforming infrastructure. It's why we got sent to Saturn to begin with.
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Tythas posted:We interrupt your normal scheduled broadcasting to bring you aww hell yeah I can feel an anthem coming on, anyone want to give me some words?
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Crazycryodude posted:The IC nuked it and a bunch of orbital terraforming infrastructure. It's why we got sent to Saturn to begin with. Okay, so it still exists in a literal sense
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I mean, if you count a loose cloud of debris that used to be a moon as "still existing." Both Deimos and Phobos are just asteroid-sized, taking a couple hundred nukes is gonna turn them into gravel.
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Crazycryodude posted:I mean, if you count a loose cloud of debris that used to be a moon as "still existing." Both Deimos and Phobos are just asteroid-sized, taking a couple hundred nukes is gonna turn them into gravel. Ya, people did some rough math and figured out the amount of force it was hit with was more than enough to make it a new martian ring.
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