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rope kid
Feb 3, 2001

Warte nur! Balde
Ruhest du auch.

He's dual-wielding sceptres.

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Dick Burglar
Mar 6, 2006
So you can double-fist all one-handed ranged weapons, not just pistols? Ballin.

rope kid
Feb 3, 2001

Warte nur! Balde
Ruhest du auch.

Yes. You can also mix them (wand/sceptre, wand/pistol, pistol/blunderbuss) or mix melee and ranged (pistol/sabre, wand/flail, whatever). If you do the latter, you will use the appropriate weapon for whatever range you're at. I.e., if you're close, you'll use the melee weapon. If you're out of melee range, you'll use (only) the ranged weapon.

bongwizzard
May 19, 2005

Then one day I meet a man,
He came to me and said,
"Hard work good and hard work fine,
but first take care of head"
Grimey Drawer
What's the deal with the magic ranged weapons? Like who is making these things and selling them? Do people go like shoot deer with them?

Dick Burglar
Mar 6, 2006
The mixed weapons is kind of cool, but I worry it's kinda niche when you have spare weapon sets. I guess it avoids the need to ever deal with weapon swap downtime, but aren't you permanently less effective at both ranged and melee as a result (compared to dual wielding two melee or two ranged weapons)?

Captain Scandinaiva
Mar 29, 2010



rope kid posted:

Yes. You can also mix them (wand/sceptre, wand/pistol, pistol/blunderbuss) or mix melee and ranged (pistol/sabre, wand/flail, whatever). If you do the latter, you will use the appropriate weapon for whatever range you're at. I.e., if you're close, you'll use the melee weapon. If you're out of melee range, you'll use (only) the ranged weapon.

Yesss, this opens up for so many interesting RP designs.

Daztek
Jun 2, 2006



Pistol/Sabre :allears:

ProfessorCirno
Feb 17, 2011

The strongest! The smartest!
The rightest!
It's also sort of a buff to single weapon fighting

Ginette Reno
Nov 18, 2006

How Doers get more done
Fun Shoe
Trying to think of the Poe1 possibilities for this. Knocking an enemy prone with Puitènte med Príncipi and then wading in with Vierina's Leaves would be kinda funny.

Gobblecoque
Sep 6, 2011

rope kid posted:

Yes. You can also mix them (wand/sceptre, wand/pistol, pistol/blunderbuss) or mix melee and ranged (pistol/sabre, wand/flail, whatever). If you do the latter, you will use the appropriate weapon for whatever range you're at. I.e., if you're close, you'll use the melee weapon. If you're out of melee range, you'll use (only) the ranged weapon.

That's hella cool. POE2 is gonna own hard.

Hieronymous Alloy
Jan 30, 2009


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Morbid Hound

rope kid posted:

He's dual-wielding sceptres.




The only real issue I have with this is the idea of firing a blunderbuss one-handed. You'd break your wrists. Everything else seems legit. FWIW I had the same issue with the PoE 1 animation for blunderbuss firing -- it looked badass but definitely in the realm of "fantasy poses real bodies could not accomplish" type thing.

upgunned shitpost
Jan 21, 2015

Rockatansky-wielding has long been an established form of combat. Kind of a clueless statement on your part, dude.

Hieronymous Alloy
Jan 30, 2009


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Morbid Hound
If we're really getting technical the one-handed pistol blunderbuss was termed a "dragon" (hence dragoon)

If something has a stock it's generally intended to be fired using the stock, not just freehanded

Make the blunderbuss the bastard sword of guns, with different stats depending on 1 vs 2 hand use

Hieronymous Alloy fucked around with this message at 21:24 on Aug 14, 2017

Ravenfood
Nov 4, 2011

ProfessorCirno posted:

It's also sort of a buff to single weapon fighting
Only if it triggers instead of seeing the off-hand pistol and deciding you aren't single-weapon fighting. If it works like you suggest, I am so down.

Airfoil
Sep 10, 2013

I'm a rocket man
I don't remember if grimoire slam is being ported to Deadfire, but if so I propose replacing it with "sceptre bash".

rope kid
Feb 3, 2001

Warte nur! Balde
Ruhest du auch.

Hieronymous Alloy posted:

If we're really getting technical the one-handed pistol blunderbuss was termed a "dragon" (hence dragoon)

If something has a stock it's generally intended to be fired using the stock, not just freehanded

Make the blunderbuss the bastard sword of guns, with different stats depending on 1 vs 2 hand use
Long guns were also often supported with a strut, not the off hand.

The kick of a black powder weapon is dependent on what you load it with. A blunderbuss could be loaded with a mild or heavy charge. One-handed blunderbusses were called dragons, but a dragon is a type of blunderbuss, and I think more people are familiar with "blunderbuss" and what that implies.

Hieronymous Alloy
Jan 30, 2009


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Morbid Hound
Ok if our headcanon is that one handed blunderbussi were loaded more lightly I can handle that

Scorchy
Jul 15, 2006

Smug Statement: Elementary, my dear meatbag.
pistol + shield

Heithinn Grasida
Mar 28, 2005

...must attack and fall upon them with a gallant bearing and a fearless heart, and, if possible, vanquish and destroy them, even though they have for armour the shells of a certain fish, that they say are harder than diamonds, and in place of swords wield trenchant blades of Damascus steel...

Dick Burglar posted:

The mixed weapons is kind of cool, but I worry it's kinda niche when you have spare weapon sets. I guess it avoids the need to ever deal with weapon swap downtime, but aren't you permanently less effective at both ranged and melee as a result (compared to dual wielding two melee or two ranged weapons)?

This really depends on how the weapon style talents are going to work. If you get the benefit on one weapon style, there could be a use for it. Maybe the mixed ranged and melee will have its own talent. Maybe it will even get the attack speed boost from two weapon style. Since we don't know anything about whether or not the talents are the same, it's hard to make a judgement here. That said, I think it's likely this is going to be cool as hell, but fairly situational.

Based on what we know now and how PoE works, you could have an Aumaua who carries seven pistols and a sabre, shoots seven times, then flips the pistol over to a club and fights with two weapons in melee. That still isn't necessarily better than just using an eighth pistol. And it's not so easy, under the current system, to imagine a use for wand and sword.

Ginette Reno
Nov 18, 2006

How Doers get more done
Fun Shoe
If Aumaua still have that extra weapon set talent I'm gonna make an Aumaua who is like Reaper from Overwatch and dual wield blunderbusses (or pistols I suppose if that's no doable) and I'll keep swapping to a new weapon set after each shot.

Entropy238
Oct 21, 2010

Fallen Rib
I really hope that the new AI system is going to be powerful enough that players can take advantage of gun-switching shenanigans without it being a chore like in PoE 1.

Mr.Pibbleton
Feb 3, 2006

Aleuts rock, chummer.

Entropy238 posted:

I really hope that the new AI system is going to be powerful enough that players can take advantage of gun-switching shenanigans without it being a chore like in PoE 1.

I remember how you originally had to switch from melee to your ranged weapons after a fight to reload them.

Gobblecoque
Sep 6, 2011
As long as there's an AI option to set party members to fire one shot and then switch to melee I'll be happy.

Scorchy
Jul 15, 2006

Smug Statement: Elementary, my dear meatbag.
New Update

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQHKc1FQfbE

Guys, barfing animations

Scorchy fucked around with this message at 19:58 on Aug 15, 2017

Fintilgin
Sep 29, 2004

Fintilgin sweeps!

Basic Chunnel posted:

he's gonna gently caress up his neck reading like that

Also is he dual-wielding maces or are those just huge stiff tassles

His neck? He pulled that thing directly out of his rear end. :stare:

Mr.Pibbleton
Feb 3, 2006

Aleuts rock, chummer.


They said they were gonna leave some of the grenades for us to discover so I'm gonna assume there's a vomit inducing grenade.

Hieronymous Alloy
Jan 30, 2009


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Morbid Hound

Fintilgin posted:

His neck? He pulled that thing directly out of his rear end. :stare:

You can carry a book very comfortably in the small of your back, tucked into your belt. It's a little awkward over long walks but it's doable.

AriadneThread
Feb 17, 2011

The Devil sounds like smoke and honey. We cannot move. It is too beautiful.


Mr.Pibbleton posted:

They said they were gonna leave some of the grenades for us to discover so I'm gonna assume there's a vomit inducing grenade.

one of the ratchet and clank games has a dance bomb

you know

just saying

algebra testes
Mar 5, 2011


Lipstick Apathy
Game Director cat. :3:

Milli
Sep 28, 2009


friendship is magic
in a pony paradise
don't you judge me




ropekid plz tell me about Sesame's near death experience so I can be happy she survived and inspired Animancy Cat

Basic Chunnel
Sep 21, 2010

Jesus! Jesus Christ! Say his name! Jesus! Jesus! Come down now!

Rope Kid is a dope kid, but the connotation of "dope" is determined by whether or not animancy cat can steer the ship.

Make pet helmsman a Berath's boon thing. Book it sawyer

chiefnewo
May 21, 2007


Was that filmed in a store-room or was it just weird lighting? Also I love the little bit of music right at the end of all these videos.

rope kid
Feb 3, 2001

Warte nur! Balde
Ruhest du auch.

Milli posted:

ropekid plz tell me about Sesame's near death experience so I can be happy she survived and inspired Animancy Cat
She developed fatty liver disease and went from ~13 lbs. to ~9 lbs. She had to be force fed for two weeks, followed by the installation of a tube in her side and wearing a cone for three months. I had to liquefy food, draw it into a syringe, and feed it directly into her stomach through the tube three/two times a day. After being essentially force fed for three months, her liver resumed normal functions and she made a full recovery. If your cat stops eating, take them to the vet. We probably could have arrested the fatty liver disease if I had considered the symptoms more seriously earlier.

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funmanguy
Apr 20, 2006

What time is it?
That's wonderful

Basic Chunnel
Sep 21, 2010

Jesus! Jesus Christ! Say his name! Jesus! Jesus! Come down now!

Good on rope kid for being a good cat dad

fennesz
Dec 29, 2008

rope kid posted:

She developed fatty liver disease and went from ~13 lbs. to ~9 lbs. She had to be force fed for two weeks, followed by the installation of a tube in her side and wearing a cone for three months. I had to liquefy food, draw it into a syringe, and feed it directly into her stomach through the tube three/two times a day. After being essentially force fed for three months, her liver resumed normal functions and she made a full recovery. If your cat stops eating, take them to the vet. We probably could have arrested the fatty liver disease if I had considered the symptoms more seriously earlier.

https://www.instagram.com/p/BON3dy1AQiK/?taken-by=jesawyer1975
https://www.instagram.com/p/BOgKbSAAv_g/?taken-by=jesawyer1975
https://www.instagram.com/p/BO_Mr--ApTv/?taken-by=jesawyer1975
https://www.instagram.com/p/BPJKspkAOH3/?taken-by=jesawyer1975
https://www.instagram.com/p/BPMCL7rgK94/?taken-by=jesawyer1975
https://www.instagram.com/p/BPsURTVgzcW/?taken-by=jesawyer1975
https://www.instagram.com/p/BQOC5sbAzoa/?taken-by=jesawyer1975
https://www.instagram.com/p/BQtKlimFrJA/?taken-by=jesawyer1975
https://www.instagram.com/p/BUPIuAIlDPO/?taken-by=jesawyer1975

Holy poo poo your cat looks just like mine. He lost 4.5 lbs last year and I was really paranoid this would happen (it didn't). Glad your little fuzzypants is doing better!

Nice cat daddin' btw.

Fair Bear Maiden
Jun 17, 2013
Sorry to hear about the cat problems, rope kid, but glad to hear she's doing better now.

I'm excited for bombs, though I'm wondering if they'll just be a one-time AoE damage splash or they'll also have more interesting effects. For example, some of those bombs seem to linger, so I'm wondering if it'll be possible to use them to create damaging or healing surfaces.

Also wonder if the Alchemy skill will come into play when reverse pickpocketing bombs on people.

I'm really excited for the gameplay opportunities, it sounds like the game will be inherently more open than the original between the new world map, the day-night schedules for the NPC, the pickpocketing and stealth improvements, and the overhauled skill system, not to mention the new multiclasses and subclasses.

Captain Scandinaiva
Mar 29, 2010



Wow, I thought the tube for Animancy Cat was for flavor, I didn't know you could do that to real cats. Glad she's ok!

How do bombs differ mechanically from scrolls? The ones that were shown seemed to be straight up AoE damage of different types. They require the Alchemy skill to use (and craft?), anything else? They have a more limited range?

Iretep
Nov 10, 2009

Fair Bear Maiden posted:

Sorry to hear about the cat problems, rope kid, but glad to hear she's doing better now.

I'm excited for bombs, though I'm wondering if they'll just be a one-time AoE damage splash or they'll also have more interesting effects. For example, some of those bombs seem to linger, so I'm wondering if it'll be possible to use them to create damaging or healing surfaces.

Also wonder if the Alchemy skill will come into play when reverse pickpocketing bombs on people.

I'm really excited for the gameplay opportunities, it sounds like the game will be inherently more open than the original between the new world map, the day-night schedules for the NPC, the pickpocketing and stealth improvements, and the overhauled skill system, not to mention the new multiclasses and subclasses.

hopefully we can finally reverse pickpocket bombs onto annoying people like children again.

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Fair Bear Maiden
Jun 17, 2013
This is just my guess, but now that magic has been overhauled with longer cast times, scrolls will follow suit. They might also have revised how many spells will get their equivalent scrolls, etc.

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