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My three perfect sons. E: Also I need to watch more danged Godzilla movies. What are the best ones between the original and 2014? Waffleman_ fucked around with this message at 06:21 on Aug 20, 2017 |
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Waffleman_ posted:My three perfect sons. Final Wars IMO but that's really a love it or hate it film. It's not the most serious of takes. Original Mechagodzilla is pretty good. The Return of Godzilla is boss. I still need to watch vs Hedorah. vs Mothra and Ghidorah the Three-Headed Monster are both great.
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Aug 20, 2017 06:43
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Terror of Mechagodzilla (1975) owns owns owns. It's the last Godzilla movie with Ishiro Honda at the helm. Also make sure you watch Rodan (1956) and Mothra (1961) even though they're technically not Godzilla movies. Mechafunkzilla fucked around with this message at 07:05 on Aug 20, 2017 |
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Aug 20, 2017 07:03
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It cannot be stated enough, if you're a fan of Shin and the original, check out Return of Godzilla. I'm still not sure if Shin or Return is better, and I think it might be impossible for one to be better than the other. They're equal but opposite movies. EVERY direction one zigs, the other zags, while still remaining extremely good, extremely similar films. Shin has only a leg up on it being more topical, and just give it a few years for that to fade away. Otherwise they're both politically charged revival films where Godzilla is the sole threat, and it is about how the modern world responds to such an impossible threat.
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Aug 20, 2017 07:09
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Burkion posted:It cannot be stated enough, if you're a fan of Shin and the original, check out Return of Godzilla. I have a huge soft spot for Godzilla '84, but it's definitely a flawed film. Though there's something about Godzilla and 80's Japanese skyscraper architecture that just works really well aesthetically. And I love how the whole film feels like it takes place at midnight.
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Aug 20, 2017 07:18
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Mantis42 posted:That wasn't true for the original film though. Godzilla didn't become the savior of mankind until later and King Kong was always an exploited victim. That's why I said modern incarnation you idiot
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Aug 20, 2017 14:08
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How much of a "heroic defender" either one of them is is debatable anyway. Aside from Kong respecting Brie Larson's character after she tries to help that water buffalo, both Godzilla and Kong seem to be indifferent to humans for the most part. The Legendary Godzilla is a protector of the Earth, but not of people in particular.
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Aug 20, 2017 15:49
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Godzilla is slightly more than indifferent. He actively saves Brody twice, which may or may not be tied into him being his dad (and possibly his mom) and never goes out of his way to harm humans or human things, even when they're attacking him. The bridge destruction was almost entirely on accident, and he never retaliated when the humans did fire on him. Meanwhile, Kong absolutely retaliated and went out of his way to do so in some cases. Kong is, weirdly enough, the anti hero of the two. that's not to say Godzilla doesn't have a higher body count. Godzilla absolutely kills more people than Kong, it's just that none of it is directly. It's all a consequence of him acting, of him moving. Think of how many people die just because he made landfall to fight the male muto.
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Aug 20, 2017 15:56
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According to the script, he does fight back at the Golden Gate bridge. The fact that it cuts away means that we can't be sure if that's true in the actual movie, but that was the intent in the script. Also, Godzilla isn't literally Joe Brody. I think SMG just means they're ideologically the same, and SMG's readings are just that, not something that can be taken as axiomatically true.
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Aug 20, 2017 16:03
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Godzilla seems nonplussed by the Golden Gate Bridge before he's attacked and it becomes the path of least resistance, there seems to be a subtle theme of him slowly becoming more aware of what the teeny things around him are doing, and that they are capable of affecting things on his scale, like destroying the MUTO nest. On the other hand, Kong is paying attention to the humans from the start, especially when they start blowing up his home for no apparent reason.
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Aug 20, 2017 16:06
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Beeez posted:According to the script, he does fight back at the Golden Gate bridge. The fact that it cuts away means that we can't be sure if that's true in the actual movie, but that was the intent in the script. Also, Godzilla isn't literally Joe Brody. I think SMG just means they're ideologically the same, and SMG's readings are just that, not something that can be taken as axiomatically true. As far as the movie is concerned, they are effectively the same character. The man Joe Brody dies, and is reborn with the power to right the wrongs against him. Of course it's not literal, but in every other sense that is what happened. They make that super explicit. It's why Joe Brody could not work in the rest of the movie. He would have NO purpose. Either Serizawa does everything he would do but better, or Godzilla is the one taking up his gently caress You Mutos cause. Godzilla and his son.
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Aug 20, 2017 16:22
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I'm not denying any of that, I haven't seen that movie in years so I don't remember all the details anyway. I'm just saying the fact that it's not literal means that it probably isn't guiding Godzilla's motivation as a character.
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Aug 20, 2017 16:27
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Good subtext works perfectly well while also having perfectly plausible if boring actual explanations for why what goes on goes on in the movie. The MUTOs seem to be very well received despite being quite different from the 'classic' kind of monsters, being of a more biology-informed design than the usual heavily thematic Kaiju. Which as a fan of weird prehistoric critters I have to say I love, but still. It helps that it informs their characterisation and behaviour, and even gives them a sympathetic moment with their affectionate meeting.
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Aug 20, 2017 16:43
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Inescapable Duck posted:Godzilla seems nonplussed by the Golden Gate Bridge before he's attacked and it becomes the path of least resistance, there seems to be a subtle theme of him slowly becoming more aware of what the teeny things around him are doing, and that they are capable of affecting things on his scale, like destroying the MUTO nest. Kong only attacks Sam Jackson and co in self defense, he is otherwise indifferent to humans. The reason why I called him a heroic character is specifically is comparison to older Kong movies. In Skull Island he's a protector of the natives while in the old films he's a feared god, worshipped and sacrificed to by savages.
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Aug 20, 2017 16:56
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The sad thing is, the original Kong doesn't even kill his sacrifices as far as we know. It's just that no one can survive on Skull Island for more than a minute without some horror attacking them. It doesn't matter how well Kong treats you if the moment he turns his back on you six different super monsters want you dead for the crime of breathing. I mentioned this in the comic thread, but the original Skull Island is hilariously murderous. The new one feels like an ecosystem, with things that just live there and there's only a few problem children hanging out besides the Skullcrawlers. The original Skull Island is a horrific nightmare island where, if you go beyond the gate, you are almost certainly going to die because literally everyone wants to kill you. Nothing is benign, nothing is friendly, and all of it is always pissed off and hates you all the time. You can't fall in a hole without finding fifty fresh horror spiders ready to tear you to pieces. 50 people enter that side of the island. Two of them come back. That might be why the new Kong is more heroic than the original- fucker can just relax for a few minutes without being constantly challenged by literally every motherfucker on the island.
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Aug 20, 2017 17:03
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Skull Island really draws way more on the Toho films, but even there he's less an 'anti-hero' or whatever and more just some poor schmuck who humans keep picking on.
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Aug 20, 2017 17:04
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Burkion posted:The sad thing is, the original Kong doesn't even kill his sacrifices as far as we know. 
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Aug 20, 2017 17:09
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Just a heads up for anyone that has Comet TV in their area. They're going to be doing a Godzilla marathon on Mon. Sept. 4th.
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Aug 20, 2017 23:05
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I'm watchin' vs. Mechagodzilla and oh boy, these old dubs. E: Who would have thought that the monster in the prophecy would be the monster that we're all aware exists already. Waffleman_ fucked around with this message at 00:34 on Aug 21, 2017 |
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Aug 21, 2017 00:06
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I'm reminded of the 2006 Skull Island apparently being literally crumbling and shrinking (makes sense with how the geography is portrayed) from its original size, according to supplementary material, causing all the megafauna to enter a brutal death spiral of natural selection at its worst, not to mention the humans on the island literally clinging to the edges as it falls apart.
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Aug 21, 2017 07:11
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So, all the Godzilla movies I've seen have either been the original or separate reboots, so it was kinda weird to see a movie where everyone just knows who Big G is and that he and Anguirus are friends. Anguirus.... 
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Aug 21, 2017 12:40
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Waffleman_ posted:Anguirus.... you should check out Godzilla Vs Gigan.
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Aug 21, 2017 12:44
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SleepCousinDeath posted:you should check out Godzilla Vs Gigan. gently caress yeah.
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Aug 23, 2017 16:52
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I don't get it.
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Aug 23, 2017 19:49
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Tezcatlipoca posted:I don't get it. He's using the same phrase which Pope John Paul II was received on his first visit to Mexico. The phrase roughly translates to "Godzilla, Brother, you're already Mexican"
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Aug 23, 2017 19:56
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They were filming for King of the Monsters in Mexico City.
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Aug 23, 2017 19:58
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Ah Okay I was aware of everything but the Pope connection. Now I'm imagining the Dia de los Muertos scene from BvS but with Godzilla.
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Aug 23, 2017 20:40
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Kong really doesn't ever attack the humans in Skull Island unless they are a direct threat to him or the island. He only takes out the choppers at the beginning because they are dropping bombs and Kong is worried they'll wake up the crawlers. And he obviously let Reilly's character and the Japanese pilot live in the prologue scene, he's got them dead to rights and they ended up surviving so he must have decided they were no threat to him.
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Aug 23, 2017 20:53
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Basebf555 posted:Kong really doesn't ever attack the humans in Skull Island unless they are a direct threat to him or the island. He only takes out the choppers at the beginning because they are dropping bombs and Kong is worried they'll wake up the crawlers. Yeah though my point was, Kong does interact with humanity in aggressive ways when he needs to. Which is good, but it's in contrast to Godzilla whose only direct interactions with humanity are to save Brodey twice and to share a knowing look with him. Kong is the one most likely to go rogue and be the instigator in Godzilla VS Kong Plus there's the sacred time honored tradition of the Hero of the movie coming first in a VS title. Americans don't understand that rule too often, but the Godzilla films definitely did.
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Aug 23, 2017 20:59
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Burkion posted:Plus there's the sacred time honored tradition of the Hero of the movie coming first in a VS title. Americans don't understand that rule too often, but the Godzilla films definitely did.  
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Aug 23, 2017 21:49
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I had avoided Gamera the Brave because I'd heard bad things about it, but now I want to see it and apparently the blu-ray that I passed up for $10 a thousand times is now out of print and impossible to find 
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Aug 23, 2017 22:11
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RichterIX posted:I had avoided Gamera the Brave because I'd heard bad things about it, but now I want to see it and apparently the blu-ray that I passed up for $10 a thousand times is now out of print and impossible to find  You figure they would have reprinted it in 2014.
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Aug 23, 2017 22:18
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The primary name that movie is known under is Mothra VS Godzilla You would have a point with Godzilla VS Mothra Battle for Earth though, but that's because the true hero, Battra, is not in the title at all
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Aug 23, 2017 22:20
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Batman v Superman gives the real hero second billing, so I think it's just a matter of whatever the producers think rolls off the tongue better/looks better on a poster, as does Freddy vs Jason.
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Aug 24, 2017 04:22
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One thing I'm dreading about Godzilla VS Kong is hearing lots of people say "verse" instead of "versus." Fuckers.
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Aug 24, 2017 14:40
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K. Waste posted:Batman v Superman gives the real hero second billing, so I think it's just a matter of whatever the producers think rolls off the tongue better/looks better on a poster, as does Freddy vs Jason. That's probably more to do with Batman being more popular than Superman. The moneymaker goes first.
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Aug 24, 2017 17:08
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Mr. Funny Pants posted:One thing I'm dreading about Godzilla VS Kong is hearing lots of people say "verse" instead of "versus." Fuckers. vee ess
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Aug 24, 2017 22:40
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Godzilla v. Kong
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Wild Horses posted:vee ess I'll take that over verse.
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