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I can see where he'd be upset about Snyder turning so much of the film into a music video, but cutting the snatchtapus from beyond was a good move and he's entirely too enamored of his edgy retreads of other people's characters to admit it. Because he's a grumpy old dick.
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He didn't want anything to do with movie adaptations long before Watchmen. IIRC his main issue with adaptations is that people were constantly bugging him about them when he had (and wanted) no involvement. Like he asked for his name to be taken off credits after V for Vendetta when Joel Silver started making claims that he approved of what they were doing with it.
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I just like Alan Moore because he admitted that The Killing Joke was mediocre and overrated.
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muscles like this! posted:He didn't want anything to do with movie adaptations long before Watchmen. IIRC his main issue with adaptations is that people were constantly bugging him about them when he had (and wanted) no involvement. Like he asked for his name to be taken off credits after V for Vendetta when Joel Silver started making claims that he approved of what they were doing with it. Movie version was better than the source material, maybe that's why.
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Does this mean it's finally ok for me to say I've always preferred the movie to the comic of LoEG?
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Aug 20, 2017 23:00
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Who needs Moore when you have Araki and Urasawa?
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Sunswipe posted:Does this mean it's finally ok for me to say I've always preferred the movie to the comic of LoEG? I think you can leave comparisons with the comics aside and conclude that the movie's not great on its own merits; the second Guy Ritchie Sherlock Holmes movie does the same plot but is a lot more fun about it. I suppose if they had another go at it, it'd be the big Avengers style crossover following on from big action remakes of Dracula and King Solomon's Mines and so on. Which might be fun, but the fact that Universal's intent of spinning this big monsters franchise out of the terrible Mummy remake with Tom Cruise (apparently they're confident that their Bride of Frankenstein remake will be a billion dollar movie) means it's probably a non-starter for the next few years.
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Sunswipe posted:Does this mean it's finally ok for me to say I've always preferred the movie to the comic of LoEG?
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54 40 or gently caress posted:Sitcoms are so universally bad. There are very few examples of the formula actually being good. Agree. There's a few that stand the test of time but I honestly can't remember the last sitcom I liked (maybe 30 Rock) and the popularity of poo poo like "Big Bang Theory" and "Two and a Half Men" just loving baffles me.
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Sunswipe posted:Does this mean it's finally ok for me to say I've always preferred the movie to the comic of LoEG? Captain Nemo was perfect and the moment Hyde is running down a hall of the Nautilus and Jeckyl is in the porthole reflections cheering him on is such a stupid moment it makes me smile a lot. It was big stupid fun. Gaunab posted:I just like Alan Moore because he admitted that The Killing Joke was mediocre and overrated. I liked how the recent movie doubled down on the mediocre and overrated parts by making them less subtle and more violent than the original.
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mojo1701a posted:Not to mention Jessie infamously becoming addicted to caffeine pills. Just in case you haven't actually seen it, the description above (or any description really) doesn't do it justice: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bflYjF90t7c
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Mezzanine posted:Just in case you haven't actually seen it, the description above (or any description really) doesn't do it justice: Yeah, the show had so many more episodes that were way more bonkers (like accidentally convincing a government agent that Screech is an alien, Zack being in charge of purchasing class rings from a con man, Screech having created a legit robot, Zack somehow hiring an actor to pretend to be his dad before the era of Craigslist, Punky Brewster trying to sucker Screech out of spaghetti sauce money...) but that one stands out because it's trying to be super-serious even though its setup is completely ridiculous. I still love the show, though.
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Barudak posted:Ignoring how one feels about odd dialog choices or non-standard sexual behavoirs, the actual conceit and content of Lost Girls serves no interesting purpose and reads like a totemic tijuana bible. Reinterpreting a work like Wizard of Oz as an all you can handle fuckfest both reveals no new interesting areas of exploration when discussing the work since its based on literally nothing within the text but also actively diminishes a work with a female lead. Exactly. I like a LOT of what Moore has written, but I couldn't even finish Lost Girls. It's just a porn mad-lib where he inserts Wizard of Oz, Alice in Wonderland, and Peter Pan characters for no real benefit, while trying to come up with as many different positions and taboos as possible. The worst part is that he definitely went way too deep with the sex writing, as he wrote the third volume of the series at around the same time as the big "Black Dossier" book for League, and the latter ends up being like, half sex scenes. I liked the non-sex parts of that book, especially since I'm a sucker for those "spot the reference" type pastiches like LoEG and Anno Dracula, but the sex parts added very little to the narrative. There's a big long part that's a diary from Fanny Hill and how she formed up her generation of the League, and it's just like, non-stop orgies that very strongly deviate from the characterizations of the people in it. Honestly, Moore having to roll with this misstep might be a major factor in why Century isn't quite as good afterwards. I do strongly appreciate the trilogy of spin-off books about Nemo's daughter, Janni Diver's adventures better, and the people who only like the first two volumes of League would probably enjoy it.
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Choco1980 posted:Exactly. I like a LOT of what Moore has written, but I couldn't even finish Lost Girls. It's just a porn mad-lib where he inserts Wizard of Oz, Alice in Wonderland, and Peter Pan characters for no real benefit, while trying to come up with as many different positions and taboos as possible. The worst part is that he definitely went way too deep with the sex writing, as he wrote the third volume of the series at around the same time as the big "Black Dossier" book for League, and the latter ends up being like, half sex scenes. I liked the non-sex parts of that book, especially since I'm a sucker for those "spot the reference" type pastiches like LoEG and Anno Dracula, but the sex parts added very little to the narrative. There's a big long part that's a diary from Fanny Hill and how she formed up her generation of the League, and it's just like, non-stop orgies that very strongly deviate from the characterizations of the people in it. Honestly, Moore having to roll with this misstep might be a major factor in why Century isn't quite as good afterwards. I do strongly appreciate the trilogy of spin-off books about Nemo's daughter, Janni Diver's adventures better, and the people who only like the first two volumes of League would probably enjoy it. I wonder if there's some kind of syndrome both he and Heinlein suffered from, where you start obsessively pushing sex scenes into everything you write in your later years.
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Absurd Alhazred posted:I wonder if there's some kind of syndrome both he and Heinlein suffered from, where you start obsessively pushing sex scenes into everything you write in your later years. I honestly wouldn't be surprised. Basically the only good stuff he writes anymore is devoid of sex scenes.
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Absurd Alhazred posted:I wonder if there's some kind of syndrome both he and Heinlein suffered from, where you start obsessively pushing sex scenes into everything you write in your later years. Like Dune. poo poo got weird.
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John Big Booty posted:It seems to happen with a lot of sci-fi/speculative/fantasy authors. It did get a lot more about sexual imprinting later on, didn't it? Also:  http://i.imgur.com/Nhezls0.jpg
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Not to mention Orson Scott Card and Piers Anthony.
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The Sexual Shiite posted:Not to mention Orson Scott Card and Piers Anthony. I dunno about "later years", Xanth was "how can this average schlub bang the hot princess" from the beginning and Ender's Game had a scene with two teenage boys naked in a shower.
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Those sure are a lot of TV shows that haven't aged well.
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Lots of early episodes of xfiles had guest stars who went on to big careers and it's kinda jarring to see jack black get murdered via malicious lightning strike after a weird series of events all started by virtua fighter 2 arcade cabinet. Weird show
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Doesn't all caffeine cause is keep you up, give you the jitters, heart palpitations in excess, having to pee very much very often and just a general chemical dependence that at worst can lead to head aches Not what I assume was happening to Jessie Spano after the writer read about crack
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Blue Star posted:I too practice sorcery
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Yeah that kinda got slipped in there, maybe elaborate Can't believe I'm going to bat for Saved by the Bell here, but obviously a kids' show couldn't show a series' regular doing any kind of truly threatening drug.
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davidspackage posted:Can't believe I'm going to bat for Saved by the Bell here, but obviously a kids' show couldn't show a series' regular doing any kind of truly threatening drug. Grange Hill had a two-year storyline with a major character descending into heroin addiction, in 1986-87. There's an episode of The IT Crowd where Matt Berry's character finds out he's dating someone who "used to be a man". The revelation results in a fistfight. It's only a few years old and the whole episode is really really uncomfortable.
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Last I heard, the only adaptation of his work Alan Moore was okay with was the Justice League cartoon adaptation of For The Man Who Has Everything.
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Sanford posted:Grange Hill had a two-year storyline with a major character descending into heroin addiction, in 1986-87. As I recall, the Grange Hill kids recorded a hit charity single called "Just Say No" and were even invited to the White House to meet Nancy Reagan, then years later one of the cast became notorious tabloid bait for his drug problems.
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Sanford posted:Grange Hill had a two-year storyline with a major character descending into heroin addiction, in 1986-87. Yeah, I should've said "a kids' show as milquetoast as Saved by the Bell". Blossom had the brother who was a recovering alcoholic, too.
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funmanguy posted:Lots of early episodes of xfiles had guest stars who went on to big careers and it's kinda jarring to see jack black get murdered via malicious lightning strike after a weird series of events all started by virtua fighter 2 arcade cabinet. I always liked the episode all about vampires that had Luke Wilson as the Aw Shucks small town sheriff that Mulder makes fun of Scully for liking.
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Mezzanine posted:Just in case you haven't actually seen it, the description above (or any description really) doesn't do it justice: This even happened on M*A*S*H when Charles got hooked on speed. He gave one of the pills to Radar's hamster to help it win a race.
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funmanguy posted:Lots of early episodes of xfiles had guest stars who went on to big careers and it's kinda jarring to see jack black get murdered via malicious lightning strike after a weird series of events all started by virtua fighter 2 arcade cabinet. And he died to a the Filter song 'Nice Shot,' which is....kinda awesome, actually. davidspackage posted:Yeah that kinda got slipped in there, maybe elaborate They probably should have because that's one thing that really hamstrung a lot of Very Special Episodes: if you don't put anybody in danger then why would anybody care? Nobody cares about single episode friend who can be fed into the woodchipper. Wheat Loaf posted:As I recall, the Grange Hill kids recorded a hit charity single called "Just Say No" and were even invited to the White House to meet Nancy Reagan, then years later one of the cast became notorious tabloid bait for his drug problems. Nancy Reagan must have been the patron saint of turning TV actors into drug addicts. See 'Diff'rent Strokes' for more examples of that. davidspackage posted:Yeah, I should've said "a kids' show as milquetoast as Saved by the Bell". Blossom had the brother who was a recovering alcoholic, too. They might as well have called the older brother 'instant drama' because the only reason they wheeled him into a scene was so they could do another Very Special Episode without much setup. In fact, I don't recall a teenage/twentysomething alcoholic in any sitcom I watched that wasn't just an opportunity to have a shorthand Very Special Episode waiting in the wings in case the show needed a quick Emmy. I think Mr. Belvedere had one, even, just so Bob Uecker could pretend to act.
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davidspackage posted:Yeah that kinda got slipped in there, maybe elaborate They also did an episode where some famous movie heartthrob showed up to the school to film a PSA (why the actor himself is scouting locations without anyone at the school knowing is beyond me). He invites the kids to a party at his place where they get offered pot and freak out about it. They then end up doing their own PSA, with a very special guest star that Mr. Belding pulled some strings to get: then-NBC president Brandon Tartikoff. Yeah. I know way too much about the show.
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Was Chandlers mom mentioned? Because his dad getting a alex change didn't age well at all either
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54 40 or gently caress posted:Was Chandlers mom mentioned? Because his dad getting a alex change didn't age well at all either His dad was gay, a transvestite and a drag queen, but I don't think he was transgender.
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54 40 or gently caress posted:Was Chandlers mom mentioned? Because his dad getting a alex change didn't age well at all either Chandler's mum was played by someone famous and they all had scenes together.
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54 40 or gently caress posted:Was Chandlers mom mentioned? Because his dad getting a alex change didn't age well at all either As mentioned, not only did this not actually happen but Chandler's dad was handled pretty well. Chandler joked about how awkward it was growing up but there really wasn't anything mean-spirited about it (at least not compared to the rest of the show).
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sassassin posted:Chandler's mum was played by someone famous and they all had scenes together. oi bings mum got nicked by a chav
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muscles like this! posted:He didn't want anything to do with movie adaptations long before Watchmen. IIRC his main issue with adaptations is that people were constantly bugging him about them when he had (and wanted) no involvement. Like he asked for his name to be taken off credits after V for Vendetta when Joel Silver started making claims that he approved of what they were doing with it. His main issues with the adaptions is that 20th Century Fox was sued for plagiarism and instead of saying that of course Alan Moore's story wasn't plagiarizing anyone they settled the case.
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food court bailiff posted:As mentioned, not only did this not actually happen but Chandler's dad was handled pretty well. Chandler joked about how awkward it was growing up but there really wasn't anything mean-spirited about it (at least not compared to the rest of the show). The only time the show got lovely about it was when Chandler's mom with the big cans intentionally got snippy with Chandler's dad
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Alhazred posted:His main issues with the adaptions is that 20th Century Fox was sued for plagiarism and instead of saying that of course Alan Moore's story wasn't plagiarizing anyone they settled the case. Which one were they sued over?
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