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Marching Powder posted:if it's not at 130 then i could definitely see it. if he can successfully shut down loma, it'll be a career defining performance for sure, and he can make it as boring as he likes imo. I am pretty sure this fight is going to be at 130 lbs. Mostly curious how Rigo does against Loma but I expect Hi tech to win this one.
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Lomachenko is an unassailable boxing god as far as I'm concerned, until someone proves otherwise. And no, Salido doesn't count.
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that's why rigo's gonna beat lomachenko. loma won't even make it to fight night
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Noctone posted:Lomachenko is an unassailable boxing god as far as I'm concerned, until someone proves otherwise. And no, Salido doesn't count. What happened in that fight? I've seen Lomachenko in his last 3 fights and I'm still baffled how he lost to someone I didn't figure was that highly regarded. Dude looks like an anime character when he gets going, what did Salido do that was able to stand up to that?
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Salido was just a dirty experienced fighter and lomachenko wasn't ready for it. I and a lot of people still think he won the fight anyways and it's safe to say that he would destroy salido in a rematch.
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mike- posted:Salido was just a dirty experienced fighter and lomachenko wasn't ready for it. I and a lot of people still think he won the fight anyways and it's safe to say that he would destroy salido in a rematch. Yeah this. It was only Lomachenko's second professional fight. Salido missed weight by a mile and ended up showing up to the fight a full 11 pounds heavier than Loma, and he got away with several low blows. Just by pure objective measures, Loma outpunched Salido both by the number of punches landed and especially by percentage. Ended up being a close split decision. It's little wonder Salido has been ducking a rematch.
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Noctone posted:Yeah this. It was only Lomachenko's second professional fight. Salido missed weight by a mile and ended up showing up to the fight a full 11 pounds heavier than Loma, and he got away with several low blows. Just by pure objective measures, Loma outpunched Salido both by the number of punches landed and especially by percentage. Ended up being a close split decision. And even with all of this, by the end of the fight Lomachenko was still loving Salido up. I thought for a few moments that he might actually get him out of there. If that rematch ever happened, I have no doubt that he'd obliterate and embarrass him (which is why it hasn't happened, because Orlando and his team know that too)
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alansmithee posted:What happened in that fight? I've seen Lomachenko in his last 3 fights and I'm still baffled how he lost to someone I didn't figure was that highly regarded. Dude looks like an anime character when he gets going, what did Salido do that was able to stand up to that? Yeah everybody else summed it up pretty well. It's kind of an interesting fight to watch cause Salido definitely wins, but not in any impressive way, mostly by fighting dirty and mean. Clearly it was a good learning experience for Loma.
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This happened earlier https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ivm7PdHrak Also Sergiy Derevyanchenko is killing Tureano Johnson right now
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This sums up Lomachenko / Salido succinctly I think. Machine Levine, Punch Lines Podcast posted:He was fighting a full welterweight, getting hit in the balls all night, in only his second pro bout, and he still almost came back to win.
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Rigo still has bombs in his hands and it'll be a competitive fight so idk how to handicap it. Think it will be close.
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i'm super pumped for the golovkin fight. when it was announced i had it like 70-30 golovkin but i think it's more 60-40 now due to reflections on ggg's recent fights.
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thehappyprince posted:i'm super pumped for the golovkin fight. when it was announced i had it like 70-30 golovkin but i think it's more 60-40 now due to reflections on ggg's recent fights. plural? i thought jacobs was the only guy who made ggg look less than a killer and he has several attributes that i'd credit for that performance that canelo doesn't have.
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^^^--I mean you specifically talking about Golovkin not looking that good has been going on his whole careerMarching Powder posted:plural? i thought jacobs was the only guy who made ggg look less than a killer and he has several attributes that i'd credit for that performance that canelo doesn't have. Yeah I've seen a lot of this going around and I don't really get it. It's always possible GGG is slowing down, he is 35 after all. I'd just not say it's a definite thing based off of that Jacobs fight.
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Canelo is a very good fighter and I think Golovkin is going to slowly beat the poo poo out of him over the duration of a competitive fight. If that makes any sense e: and then Canelo will win an atrocious split decision and gently caress boxing forever Mechafunkzilla fucked around with this message at 08:22 on Aug 27, 2017 |
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Skip My Posts posted:shitttt piss
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lol that Gervonta Davis was given a stage to shine and blew it in like five different ways
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Rewatching Gatti v Ward I and god drat did I forget how loving terrible the time keeper is in that fight. Dude had to have lost his job after that fight right?
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thehappyprince posted:i thought he was less than stellar in the brook fight tbh No way, the happy prince thinking a British fighter looking good in a fight they were getting the snot punched out of. Say it isnt so.
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thehappyprince posted:i'm super pumped for the golovkin fight. when it was announced i had it like 70-30 golovkin but i think it's more 60-40 now due to reflections on ggg's recent fights. Yeah same, used to think Golovkin was the heavy favorite but now i think it's a very even match that I'm just rooting for GGG to win. I think Canelo has gotten better with every fight and is a lot better prepared for Golovkin than he was a few years ago.
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This story understandably got buried on Saturday by Mayweather-McGregor news, but ESPN and Top Rank announced that they have a minimum 4-year deal made between them. ESPN is now the exclusive carrier of Top Rank fights, will be showing both their big event cards as well as the smaller cards Top Rank used to develop their fighters that previously got buried on Spanish only channels, and will also be broadcasting PPV fights for the company. ESPN is also getting access to Top Rank's fight library of classic fights. Several fights for the network coming up including Oscar Valdez, Jesse Magdaleno, the Pacquiao-Horn rematch and Lomachenko vs probably Rigondeaux in December.
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The Ninth Layer posted:This story understandably got buried on Saturday by Mayweather-McGregor news, but ESPN and Top Rank announced that they have a minimum 4-year deal made between them. ESPN is now the exclusive carrier of Top Rank fights, will be showing both their big event cards as well as the smaller cards Top Rank used to develop their fighters that previously got buried on Spanish only channels, and will also be broadcasting PPV fights for the company. ESPN is also getting access to Top Rank's fight library of classic fights. I'm more excited about this than I probably should be.
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Monday Bandele posted:lol that Gervonta Davis was given a stage to shine and blew it in like five different ways Yeah, I couldn't put it any better. Davis couldn't even wipe out a tomato can without rabbit punching him. No wonder he's been ducking Loma. Garlic Wraith fucked around with this message at 19:42 on Aug 28, 2017 |
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InfrastructureWeek posted:Yeah everybody else summed it up pretty well. It's kind of an interesting fight to watch cause Salido definitely wins, but not in any impressive way, mostly by fighting dirty and mean. Clearly it was a good learning experience for Loma. Thanks for the info everyone. I'm just kinda getting back into watching boxing the last couple of years so I have some catching up to do. I find it funny that Salido won how he did. One of my friends during both of the last Loma fights was aways saying how if he was in the ring against him he'd be trying to throw low blows and elbows and clinching and whatever rather than just get styled on and peppered with shots constantly. Apparently that's a legit strategy. Also the ESPN-Top Rank deal is really good. There's no central body governing things, but getting good matches on regular cable can only help boxing's exposure.
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The Top Rank/ESPN deal is pretty neat (big fan of the library being on-demand especially) but I see the fact that they announced it the morning of MayMac and then see how it's being reported and I have to temper my expectations a bit. https://twitter.com/tqbr/status/901724937588801536 EDIT: VVVV You know what this means; JuanMa-Gamboa is finally on baby 
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Haha, that's amazing. How far back in time would you have to go for that statement to be true?
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It's a Variety story on boxing. I don't even trust them to cover regular news.alansmithee posted:Thanks for the info everyone. I'm just kinda getting back into watching boxing the last couple of years so I have some catching up to do. The Ninth Layer fucked around with this message at 01:07 on Aug 29, 2017 |
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First episode of GGG-Canelo 24/7 is up https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QrdGoqt_Wv4
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MMM Whatchya Say posted:First episode of GGG-Canelo 24/7 is up "The uploader has not made this video available in your country" MOTHER FUCKERS
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So I'm working my way through all the weekend's fights. I've watched the HBO and PPV cards (and was really only entertained by Vargas-Rios and Cleverly-Jack, though Davis-Fonseca was an amazing loving shitshow.) I'll get to the PBC broadcast at some point, I'm ridiculously busy this week. I don't particularly want to drag the whole MMA-vs-boxing thing into this thread, but as the fight thread was closed and defunct before I even saw all the fights, let alone read all the posts, I just want to sanity-check with the people who know both sides of the divide: In the fight thread, it was implied that both MMA and boxing refs have approximately the same standards re: stopping fights to protect fighters who cannot defend themselves. I would certainly hope this is the case. Now. I've seen a shitton of boxing. I have seen exactly one MMA match. Actually, part of one MMA match because I couldn't really watch the whole thing, I looked away for a bit and looked back to see the fight end. But my point is that in that match---and sadly I don't remember who was in it, or else I'd go dig it up online to illustrate, I could swear it was from a UFC thing from a few years back (I was at the gym at the time and was testing out the television built into the treadmill)---within a minute of the first round beginning, one guy was on his back on the mat, the other guy was sitting on his chest and punching him in the head, and that's where we stayed until the bell rang. The guy on the mat could vaguely hold his arms in front of his face, making him not defenseless, so punching guy could go on smacking him in the side of the skull for two straight minutes. The second round went much the same as the first and I think the guy submitted or whatever because gently caress having your chest sat on while your skull is punched in. But, like, where the gently caress is the ref? Am I hallucinating? This is somehow the ultimate evolution of the martial arts? I don't want to come off like I'm some kind of old-timey cranky rear end in a top hat from 1955 in a bad suit with a three-pack-a-day habit and a racing form in my pocket. I'm willing to listen if there's a reasonable explanation for this sort of thing. But...what the gently caress.
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Allen Wren posted:Stuff The rules are basically the same as boxing. If you're intelligently defending yourself the ref will let it continue. If you're not the ref will stop it. A guy who is stuck in full mount can still be defending himself if he's preventing most of the punches from getting through. Nobody can say whether the ref in that case did a good or bad job because you don't know what you watched. Watching boxing but going all aghast at MMA is silly. Boxing is extremely bad for long term health, very possibly even worse than MMA due to the far larger number of head impacts over a career. If you prefer one over the other that's fine, but it's not like boxing as a sport hasn't seen people die from damage taken in the ring.
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big money big clit posted:A guy who is stuck in full mount can still be defending himself if he's preventing most of the punches from getting through. Nobody can say whether the ref in that case did a good or bad job because you don't know what you watched. Or if he's Oleg Taktarov he's just fine no matter how hosed up his face is and how much someone is headbutting it  big money big clit posted:Watching boxing but going all aghast at MMA is silly. Boxing is extremely bad for long term health, very possibly even worse than MMA due to the far larger number of head impacts over a career. I think it's quite likely boxing is worse for you, the sub-concussive impacts over time seem very dangerous and boxing is a lot more likely to let a dude get beat up a lot longer before he passes out. But more research should be done of course before we call that conclusively, although enough research has probably been done for most people to (correctly) say holy gently caress my kid will never box. I just love this stupid, corrupt, person destroying sport too much to stop watching.
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