Star Citizen: Death of a Space Thread?

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no_recall: Aug 17, 2015; Lipstick Apathy

bacalhau posted:

Didn't they lose one ship during the mission? What's the estimated cost of that ship, is it less than the 100k credits?

This a main core gameplay loop issue. Which is baffling because nobody knows what its supposed to be. In all the showing which CIG has done, its all with spectacular explosions and easy to kill ships. i.e Railgun missing the cutlass and exploding ($125 maybe?).

Comparing apples to apples, ED's time to kill for class vs class, i.e cobra vs cobra can vary between 5 mins and 30 mins, given both pilots know how to deploy stealth (silent running), recharge shields with boosting out of firing range, use chaff, countermeasures and etc.

In SC however, this is rarely expressed on with $250 ships just exploding in 5 min battles (gamescome 2014 multicrew reveal?), superhornets ripping aurora ($45) to shreds with a single burst, cutlass ($125) doing a 180 without the pilot blacking out and blowing up a $350 glaive with its own missiles. Aside from showing off awesome cockpit animations, bells and whistles, ship ladder animations, cockpit startup animations, all which lend zero to actual gameplay, We don't know or have not been shown actual in-game value of these ships, value in terms of actual combat capability, trading capability, and even stealth capabilities. What CIG often stresses on are how cool or rather how much your signature is dampened by this awesome +$100 hull, and how awesome this ship's engines are or how capable a ship is in combat, without actually demonstrating anything.

Its car salesmanship at its best.

# ? Aug 28, 2017 09:02

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# ? Apr 20, 2024 00:11

Hobold: Jan 10, 2012; I love my Cutlass
I love big stompy mechs
I love my HOTAS
I love to salvage wrecks
I love Star Citizen, and all it's craziness
GOONDEYADA, GOONDEYADA, GOONDEYADA; College Slice

Hobold posted:

Pretty much. Its neat art, but thats its. As a game asset, its garbage. I still like it, on some level, along with several other ships, but that doesn't extend beyond how they appear as jpegs.

The IXM designed ship during that contest a few years back, is one of the best looking ships to come out of this whole fiasco, and its not even going to get into the 'game'.

# ? Aug 28, 2017 09:03

Google Butt: Oct 4, 2005; Xenology is an unnatural mixture of science fiction and formal logic. At its core is a flawed assumption...

that an alien race would be psychologically human.

Palpek posted:

I still can't believe that they developed a completely linear demo to the point of it breaking apart if it wasn't played in a set sequence of scripts and people still bought it as if it's totally just a part of an open-world universe that is being worked on.

You shook?

# ? Aug 28, 2017 09:04

Crazypoops: Jul 17, 2017

SomethingJones posted:

The last couple of days have shown to me a shift in the shill marketing, bear with me, let me explain

It was like this for 2 years:
Look at game x doing it wrong, here is a video of SC doing it right. Followed by pre rendered marketing video.

This has changed, mention of other games has been dropped. This is the first significant shift in the shilling, I thought it might happen last year but here it is.

Now it's 50% damage control over Gamescon and 50% pure marketing of the game on its own merits.

There is nowhere to go from there except to 100% shilling of the game *as such*

Why is this significant? Because they are moving to address the criticisms levelled at them (fake videos, actual paid marketing shills) and each time they do this they reveal more of what they actually have as a functioning product.

Look at gamescon, what's the big picture - try and do it live without pre rendered videos in the middle of it. Failed utterly.

Look at now the forum shills - try and show the game as it is, everyone already knows the marketing vids are nonsense.

The burndown videos are part of this shift, the schedules were an early move in part of this shift.

As they move to reveal more and more reality in order to address the very very prominent cries of FAKE it becomes clearer to a greater number of people just how deep into development hell they are.

As the months go on, CIG by way of needing to continue their marketing will be forced to reveal more reality. The gap between CR's words and that reality will grow exponentially and might even snap.

I don't want to call this an ELE... but it's the closest thing I've seen to one in all the time I've followed this.

tl;dr only staunch backers are buying the fantasy, CIG have started marketing the reality to outsiders. This is the very very very early alpha of this marketing.

PS - Chris is a "loose cannon"

Remember Lando singing lowered expectations? It does seem like they're trying to bring it in for a crash landing.

# ? Aug 28, 2017 09:15

Google Butt: Oct 4, 2005; Xenology is an unnatural mixture of science fiction and formal logic. At its core is a flawed assumption...

that an alien race would be psychologically human.

Are there any insiders posting recently? Want to read the post history and bounce for another year

# ? Aug 28, 2017 09:18

smellmycheese: Feb 1, 2016

I know we're just picking over the bones of the disaster now but this bit is worth looking at again. "Footage Captured In Engine" - literally the only thing that moves is his face, which is pasted onto a static frame. Nothing moves - not his nice yellow jumper, his neck, his body, the camera. Just a lovely weird talking head superimposed on a JPEG

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smellmycheese fucked around with this message at 09:22 on Aug 28, 2017

# ? Aug 28, 2017 09:19

Klyith: Aug 3, 2007; GBS Pledge Week

Hobold posted:

I still like it, on some level, along with several other ships,

It's an impressive display of 3d modeling skills and high-detail rendering. Nice selection of alternating glossy surfaces and other stuff made to show neat self-reflections.

I still don't like the overall shape much (look at how there's only like 2 shots showing the whole thing), but they've already run through most of the classic shapes for cool spaceships. Crobbler obviously has a hard-on for a very generic style and nixes anything 'out there' save for that one alien ship. So the concept artists are starting to scrape the bottom of the barrel.

no_recall posted:

Its car salesmanship at its best.

To the point where they produce fake 'brochures' for their $400 jpegs.

# ? Aug 28, 2017 09:19

NoNotTheMindProbe: Aug 9, 2010; pony porn was here

Sillybones posted:

UPDATED new and true Predictions:

-3.0 in 2019
-SQ42 never

All other predictions not superseded by this set still apply

Is that new 3.0 or new new 3.0?

# ? Aug 28, 2017 09:20

Hobold: Jan 10, 2012; I love my Cutlass
I love big stompy mechs
I love my HOTAS
I love to salvage wrecks
I love Star Citizen, and all it's craziness
GOONDEYADA, GOONDEYADA, GOONDEYADA; College Slice

Klyith posted:

It's an impressive display of 3d modeling skills and high-detail rendering. Nice selection of alternating glossy surfaces and other stuff made to show neat self-reflections.

I still don't like the overall shape much (look at how there's only like 2 shots showing the whole thing), but they've already run through most of the classic shapes for cool spaceships. Crobbler obviously has a hard-on for a very generic style and nixes anything 'out there' save for that one alien ship. So the concept artists are starting to scrape the bottom of the barrel.

To the point where they produce fake 'brochures' for their $400 jpegs.

I had to go through their idiot brochure for the drat thing on their website just to get full shots of the drat thing.

Its lunacy in and of itself. Why would you not want to post a fat stack of pictures of the newest $400 jpeg you're trying to shovel onto whales in a desperate bid for cash?

Could they not even bother doing lovely renderings of it this time like they've done with every other ship of late?

# ? Aug 28, 2017 09:23

SelenicMartian: Sep 14, 2013; Sometimes it's not the bomb that's retarded.

...Why did they need to follow the script, again?

1) Players run past on-rails NPC to get a quest. (there's no indication this does anything at all)
2) The players get a gun (can be done with a console command)
3) The player spawn a ride (a console command)
4) Another player picks them up in a ship. (ship spawn - can be done with a console command, the rest in on the pilot player)
5) They travel to a different map (a console command)
6) There's a box (a console command)
7) Enemies spawn in (a console command)
8) There's a railgun shot (a console command or a suicide button)
9) Idris spawns in (a console command)
10) Space enemies pop up (a console command)

Here's their own console help

Why the gently caress was there the need to run through the entire thing again? Unless the console doesn't work right, and assets have to be preloaded, and pulling them from the disc with the engine running kills the system.

They didn't even have ready saves for various points on the mission.

# ? Aug 28, 2017 09:28

Hobold: Jan 10, 2012; I love my Cutlass
I love big stompy mechs
I love my HOTAS
I love to salvage wrecks
I love Star Citizen, and all it's craziness
GOONDEYADA, GOONDEYADA, GOONDEYADA; College Slice

SelenicMartian posted:

...Why did they need to follow the script, again?

1) Players run past on-rails NPC to get a quest. (there's no indication this does anything at all)
2) The players get a gun (can be done with a console command)
3) The player spawn a ride (a console command)
4) Another player picks them up in a ship. (ship spawn - can be done with a console command, the rest in on the pilot player)
5) They travel to a different map (a console command)
6) There's a box (a console command)
7) Enemies spawn in (a console command)
8) There's a railgun shot (a console command or a suicide button)
9) Idris spawns in (a console command)
10) Space enemies pop up (a console command)

Here's their own console help

Why the gently caress was there the need to run through the entire thing again? Unless the console doesn't work right, and assets have to be preloaded, and pulling them from the disc with the engine running kills the system.

They didn't even have ready saves for various points on the mission.

This game is just too advanced for checkpoint saves. We have to wait for Crobbers to invent ~~the same drat thing again~~ something completely new and revolutionary to change the way games are played forevermore.

# ? Aug 28, 2017 09:31

no_recall: Aug 17, 2015; Lipstick Apathy

Klyith posted:

It's an impressive display of 3d modeling skills and high-detail rendering. Nice selection of alternating glossy surfaces and other stuff made to show neat self-reflections.

Being honest..

Looks like the most original spaceship CIG has designed so far.

e: the more I look at it, the more I think it fits in the ED universe.

no_recall fucked around with this message at 09:38 on Aug 28, 2017

# ? Aug 28, 2017 09:34

Palpek: Dec 27, 2008; Do you feel it, Zach?
My coffee warned me about it.

They didn't use saves because this is not a stable release in any way or form. They had to run the demo from the beginning again because it's cobbled together to work in one set sequence of scripts - doing anything out of order ran a risk of another crash. Maybe it would work, maybe it wouldn't - they decided it's not worth the risk.

# ? Aug 28, 2017 09:35

Crazypoops: Jul 17, 2017

no_recall posted:

Being honest..

Looks like the most original spaceship CIG has designed so far.

e: the more I look at it, the more I think it fits in the ED universe.

I agree, Gillette has really outdone themselves with this new razor.

# ? Aug 28, 2017 09:50

Experimental Skin: Apr 16, 2016

Aramoro posted:

I think Star Citizen has done a great service to the world. In university theres this great caee study you learn on the Therac 25 which was a radiology machine that killed a few folk by cooking them from the inside out. Its a case study in the importance of software engineering and managing risk. We now have an amazing case study for project scoping. We're going to train better project managers and software engineers based on the failure of Star Citizen and no one had to die.

Someone need to chop this into Robert Space's office.

# ? Aug 28, 2017 09:52

Sillybones: Aug 10, 2013; go away,
spooky skeleton,
go away

NoNotTheMindProbe posted:

Is that new 3.0 or new new 3.0?

The most recent. I understand the confusion.

# ? Aug 28, 2017 10:00

Mr Fronts: Jan 31, 2016; Yo! The Mafia supports you. But don't tell no one. Spread the word.

AP posted:

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/170313515?t=14m15s

https://twitter.com/Aarkithrax/status/901935027457372161

"Gee, isn't this a great stream? Protection error, here we go!"

I'm not all that up on twitch UI stuff - was that 2-hour stream watched by 2 viewers? Doesn't seem that good use of someone's time...

# ? Aug 28, 2017 10:01

Tippis: Mar 21, 2008; It's yet another day in the wasteland.

Ghostlight posted:

You say linear demo. I say interactive movie.

It's the ~~game~~ ~~movie~~... thing CRobber has wanted to do ever since 1988, and that the backers want him to do. Or something.

# ? Aug 28, 2017 10:04

Yolomon Wayne: Jun 10, 2014; You call it "The Big Bang", but what really happened is; Grimey Drawer

David Braben created a clone of something that doesnt even exist, hes a loving genius!

# ? Aug 28, 2017 10:16

Mr Fronts: Jan 31, 2016; Yo! The Mafia supports you. But don't tell no one. Spread the word.

Yolomon Wayne posted:

David Braben created a clone of something that doesnt even exist, hes a loving genius!

What's more, he released it in 2014... which was the year Star Citizen started development, apparently.

All the more impressive.

# ? Aug 28, 2017 10:27

Tijuana Bibliophile: Dec 30, 2008; Scratchmo

Palpek posted:

I still can't believe that they developed a completely linear demo to the point of it breaking apart if it wasn't played in a set sequence of scripts and people still bought it as if it's totally just a part of an open-world universe that is being worked on.

It's no more fake than the rest of the SC content they're trying to convince themselves is really impressive because they're mature people who can wait and it's the attempt that matters drat it

I just hope CIG follows this with a CitCon to out-cringe last year's. It's not gonna be easy for them, that thing was a work of art

# ? Aug 28, 2017 10:49

toanoradian: May 31, 2011; The happiest waffligator

I haven't finished reading the whole thread, but I just wanted to address one injustice.

Bootcha posted:

Checks out.

This post is rightly quoted repeatedly because it's good and nice and good, but I feel the following post should also be quoted repeatedly:

Daztek posted:

https://i.imgur.com/uMqkTuH.gifv

Thank you very much for reading this post.

edit: you reelected trump, you mad people

toanoradian fucked around with this message at 11:00 on Aug 28, 2017

# ? Aug 28, 2017 10:53

Alchenar: Apr 9, 2008

trucutru posted:

Dunno, this made me lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FuIeKMYaIAk

Egosoft already have more functioning gameplay to show off than star citizen.

# ? Aug 28, 2017 11:12

Jim DiGriz: Apr 28, 2008; Maybe there is no room for guys like us.; Grimey Drawer

Mr Fronts posted:

What's more, he released it in 2014... which was the year Star Citizen started development, apparently.

All the more impressive.

Do these guys even know who Braben is and what he has already accomplished? Or did space sim history literally start with the development of SC in 2016?

# ? Aug 28, 2017 11:21

no_recall: Aug 17, 2015; Lipstick Apathy

Alchenar posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FuIeKMYaIAk

Egosoft already have more functioning gameplay to show off than star citizen.

There's absolutely zero fidelity.

Checkmate goonie.

# ? Aug 28, 2017 11:28

Damn Dirty Ape: Jan 23, 2015; I love you Dr. Zaius

Palpek posted:

I still can't believe that they developed a completely linear demo to the point of it breaking apart if it wasn't played in a set sequence of scripts and people still bought it as if it's totally just a part of an open-world universe that is being worked on.

Worse, some people bought it BECAUSE it broke apart.

"At least it was an honest build of a real game in alpha and not some scripted cutscene"

# ? Aug 28, 2017 11:33

Nanako the Narc: Sep 6, 2011

Wow, I got my first ever earnest 'you don't understand game development', it was even combined with a classic 'why would artists work the engine and modellers work on physics?' (even though I never mentioned artists or modellers).

I feel like I should have a drink in celebration or something.

# ? Aug 28, 2017 11:37

Berious: Nov 13, 2005

Alchenar posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FuIeKMYaIAk

Egosoft already have more functioning gameplay to show off than star citizen.

Errr there is no 40 second animation full of poo poo popping out of the console and other bullshit when you sit in your jpeg. You just kind of slide into the seat. Absolutely unplayable.

# ? Aug 28, 2017 11:45

AP: Jul 12, 2004; One Ring to fool them all
One Ring to find them
One Ring to milk them all
and pockets fully line them; Grimey Drawer

https://twitter.com/ChambersArt/status/902102157268320256

# ? Aug 28, 2017 11:48

mike12345: Jul 14, 2008; "Whether the Earth was created in 7 days, or 7 actual eras, I'm not sure we'll ever be able to answer that. It's one of the great mysteries."

AP posted:

https://twitter.com/ChambersArt/status/902102157268320256

I hope the guy is still inside

# ? Aug 28, 2017 11:55

Experimental Skin: Apr 16, 2016

mike12345 posted:

I hope the guy is still inside

That smell, what is it?

# ? Aug 28, 2017 12:02

Dial A For Awesome: May 23, 2009

AP posted:

https://twitter.com/ChambersArt/status/902102157268320256

Brian must have put that there himself. Everyone knows that vending machines are client-side only.

# ? Aug 28, 2017 12:14

tuo: Jun 17, 2016

Experimental Skin posted:

That smell, what is it?

Five Nights at Chambers'

# ? Aug 28, 2017 12:16

Furia: Jul 26, 2015; Grimey Drawer

The whole ship exploding in like 5 minutes kinda reminds me of that cracked game of war article. Maybe that's the final iteration of this madness?

# ? Aug 28, 2017 12:18

Thirsty Dog: May 31, 2007

Sillybones posted:

We get you don't like Derek. You don't have to repeat yourself constantly. We are aware.

My handful of posts about Derek in a 2000+ page thread really are a problem, I'm sure. I'd join in with the obsessive "archiving" of every Reddit thread about this stupid game but I find railing against anonymous broke-brained idiots who aren't even on this forum to be a very strange and unsatisfying experience. So instead I'll mock the guy whose ego is bigger than the planets Roberts is failing to put into it his game.

You gotta realise if it wasn't for Derek hanging around this place, having mined it for some of his blog material, that he'd be the hysterical yin to Roberts' yang in this absolutely bonkers story about bad 90s developers making GBS threads their pants in public.

The whole Star Citizen debacle is improved by mocking Derek, not lessened by it.

# ? Aug 28, 2017 12:18

Xaerael: Aug 25, 2010; Marching Powder is objectively the worst poster known. He also needs to learn how a keyboard works.

# ? Aug 28, 2017 12:19

Crazy_BlackParrot: Feb 1, 2016; Christ Roberts is way better than toilet lord...

Xaerael posted:

this took too long before I realized it was fake.

# ? Aug 28, 2017 12:36

Combat Theory: Jul 16, 2017

Thoatse posted:

I spilled my coffee thanks to this...

# ? Aug 28, 2017 12:42

Tijuana Bibliophile: Dec 30, 2008; Scratchmo

Thirsty Dog posted:

My handful of posts about Derek in a 2000+ page thread really are a problem, I'm sure. I'd join in with the obsessive "archiving" of every Reddit thread about this stupid game but I find railing against anonymous broke-brained idiots who aren't even on this forum to be a very strange and unsatisfying experience. So instead I'll mock the guy whose ego is bigger than the planets Roberts is failing to put into it his game.

You gotta realise if it wasn't for Derek hanging around this place, having mined it for some of his blog material, that he'd be the hysterical yin to Roberts' yang in this absolutely bonkers story about bad 90s developers making GBS threads their pants in public.

The whole Star Citizen debacle is improved by mocking Derek, not lessened by it.

I'm not sure I agree, please quote some of these posts that contribute to the thread simply by "mocking derek". And no lazrin or moma, they're not relevant to your claim

o7

# ? Aug 28, 2017 12:43

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xXAdmiralBekHarXx: Jul 11, 2017; by zen death robot

I love that the official line on r/ds is that Derek is making up his wife and children, but he also beats the poo poo out of them.

# ? Aug 28, 2017 12:55

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