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LadyPictureShow posted:Littlefinger was in charge of the Vale after marrying Lysa (or at least calling the shots while Robin's still a child), right? Robin was already in charge. Littlefinger controlled the vale by controlling Robin, not by being lord of the vale. Remember that scene where he was showering Robin with gifts?
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Blazing Ownager posted:Said it before and I'll say it again, if Littlefinger was in character and not written like poo poo, this WHOLE thing would have been a setup and he'd accuse Sansa and Arya of trying to conceal the treacherous document he found. I'm sure he could have gotten SOME support rather than admitting to ganking the ruler of the Vale in front of the Knights of the Vale. 3 DONG HORSE posted:None of the Vale guys even like him at all. They only went along with it because Robin scares them. But if the Starks gank LF then the pussy Vale nights are free from retribution. I figured this was the whole point of the storyline; nobody likes Baelish but he's in a position of authority and without some kind of evidence or a confession you can't just lop his head off without losing the Knights of the Vale for whoever ends up ruling the North.
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Aug 28, 2017 23:56
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If they only got him for murdering Lysa, I imagine they'd have to send him to Robin and he'd weasel his way out of it.
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Aug 29, 2017 00:01
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Ok so I just read the Vox article about Winds of Winter. Nothing new learned about the book other than that GRRM is also working on a Targ history and the fucker hopes that one of them will be done next year. What I did find interesting is that apparently both he and the showrunners admit that he's still figuring out some of the beats as he goes so the notes he gave may not have been very specific and all and apparently the vast majority of season 6 was invented by the showrunners. I think we all knew that was happening to some extent but I guess I didn't realize it was as bad as it was.
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Aug 29, 2017 00:17
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Zaphod42 posted:Robin was already in charge. Littlefinger controlled the vale by controlling Robin, not by being lord of the vale. Remember that scene where he was showering Robin with gifts? Zaphod42 posted:Robin was already in charge. Littlefinger controlled the vale by controlling Robin, not by being lord of the vale. Remember that scene where he was showering Robin with gifts? Vaguely. I mean, 'controlling the Vale by controlling Robin' kept that little weirdo from calling whatever crazy shots he wants. Who's gonna manipulate that little crazypants now?
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Aug 29, 2017 00:20
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fruit on the bottom posted:Ok so I just read the Vox article about Winds of Winter. Nothing new learned about the book other than that GRRM is also working on a Targ history and the fucker hopes that one of them will be done next year. Did you think it was inability to write about food and sex that was the reason WoW isn't coming out? No, it's because he doesn't know how to write the story.
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Aug 29, 2017 00:27
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some guy on the bus posted:Did you think it was inability to write about food and sex that was the reason WoW isn't coming out? No, it's because he doesn't know how to write the story. Well no, but I guess I expected it to be more than just "Jon comes back, becomes king. Dany and Jon team up and the walkers get past the wall and get a dragon somehow"
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Aug 29, 2017 00:38
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I know it's barbaric medieval times but it's a bit hosed that Bran's mystical visions are apparently valid evidence in a court of law, and that you can be sentenced and executed in about two minutes. Also lol that seven seasons of Littlefinger's scheming ended in a wet fart like that, they clearly just thought "wrap this arc up, it doesn't matter any more." I'm also nonplussed as to why Cersei was freaked out by the walking dead when she's had a dead man as a bodyguard for several years.
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Aug 29, 2017 00:49
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LadyPictureShow posted:Vaguely. I mean, 'controlling the Vale by controlling Robin' kept that little weirdo from calling whatever crazy shots he wants. Who's gonna manipulate that little crazypants now? I doubt we'll ever see him again. At this point Sansa rules the vale de facto.
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freebooter posted:Also lol that seven seasons of Littlefinger's scheming ended in a wet fart like that, they clearly just thought "wrap this arc up, it doesn't matter any more." I felt the same way actually. I wish they had spent a little more time, basically reiterating the fact that all the poo poo he pulled has led to this final moment, about to get his throat cut and bleed out on the floor. Basically asking him if it was worth it. He actually answered this question previously in a conversation with Sansa, saying essentially that a lot of men spend their lives staying out of danger and lead boring rear end lives, he'd rather take the risk and go for the gold ring. However if he'd been asked the same question in those final moments I'm betting a guy like Littlefinger would've changed his mind about his whole chaos is a ladder philosophy. According to his own perspective he's one of the people who tried to climb the ladder and failed, he stayed on it longer than many, but ultimately got ganked by a couple of teenage girls. I didn't actually hate Carcetti as LF as much as many people, but one of the more annoying parts of his actions was marrying Sansa to Ramsey. It just didn't make a ton of sense on the face of it. If we assume that LF loves Sansa, you wouldn't think he'd marry her off to another dude. And not doing his due diligence on Ramsay is very unlike LF. I feel like if he hadn't made that mistake Sansa would've let his rear end live and take the black, even if she streamed his betrayal of her father on BranTV. After all he did rescue her from King's Landing, which was a huge deal for her, especially since after Joffrey's death Cersei would've just had her tortured and killed. LF also didn't really have a huge reason to try and turn the sisters against each other. Arya was giving him death eyes, but at that point Sansa wouldn't have allowed her to kill him. And if he thought BranTV was gonna give him up, he should've lit out for the Eyrie not stuck around to try and gently caress with the Stark sisters. And that's kind of the problem with LF's strategic genius. His basic methodology seems to be to just blow poo poo up and take advantage of the chaos. That certainly works, a lot of the time, but there's also the danger of getting caught in the ensuing storm. LF probably would've benefited from being a little more selective about his strategy, shaping it to the situation instead of just always trying to gently caress poo poo up for everyone else. Overall I thought his ending was bit rushed, stunted, and cartoonish, but that's been pretty much everything in show since episode 5 of this season turned it into Game of Thrones: The Fanservice Cut. -Blackadder- fucked around with this message at 01:40 on Aug 29, 2017 |
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Zaphod42 posted:Robin was already in charge. Littlefinger controlled the vale by controlling Robin, not by being lord of the vale. Remember that scene where he was showering Robin with gifts? This had the biggest part to do with it I'm sure. Robin liked him. However, in the last episode didn't LF state to Royce "I am the Lord Protector of the Vale, and I order you to escort me the gently caress out of here"...or something close to that. Point being LF is Lord Protector of the Vale, so shouldn't he technically be second only to Robin in the hierarchy? freebooter posted:I know it's barbaric medieval times but it's a bit hosed that Bran's mystical visions are apparently valid evidence in a court of law, and that you can be sentenced and executed in about two minutes. Bran is a Stark, the Starks are of the North, DA NORTH REMEMBAHS....all the facts and evidence.
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Aug 29, 2017 01:24
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^^^ Yeah, I think LF's kangaroo court is kind of like Dany always shouting about her claim to the throne. Even though it seems ridiculous to us, in the shows universe Hereditary Monarchy is a cultural norm, so her argument is actually quite sound in that context.
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Aug 29, 2017 01:32
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None of the Vale guys have any loyalty to LF. IIRC, Royce wanted to execute him and is sure LF killed Lysa, he only submitted under threat.
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Aug 29, 2017 01:43
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freebooter posted:I'm also nonplussed as to why Cersei was freaked out by the walking dead when she's had a dead man as a bodyguard for several years. As far as she knew, zombie Gregor was the only zombie, and he is under her control and doesn't lift a finger without her express command. She just learnt that there's an army of 100000 zombies out there which she doesn't control. I'm also not sure that zombie Gregor is dead as such. It seems more like a mix of life support/hypnosis powered by Frankenstein science. He seems to retain some sort of self-awareness as evidenced by the way he recognised and stepped out to meet Sandor. The wight on the other hand is obviously a very different kind of zombie Wafflecopper fucked around with this message at 02:00 on Aug 29, 2017 |
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Aug 29, 2017 01:52
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There is literally no evidence of any of the claims made against Baelish except for the claims of an eye witness for the murder of Lysa Arryn. That very same eye witness gave very different testimony previously immediately after the murder of Lysa Arrayn saying Baelish did not murder her, and one of the parties (Royce) to that testimony was at the kangaroo court. That Baelish would admit to her murder in front of the knights of the vale in the way he did is really out of character. To be fair, Baelish had made an enemy out of Royce by being a dick to him and falsely accusing him of treason.
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Aug 29, 2017 01:53
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Rhaegar looked like a busted Viserys. Kind of hosed up of him to abandon his two kids and wife for some northern action, I'm glad Robert crushed his chest. Oh well, at least now we know where Jon's stupidity really comes from.
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Aug 29, 2017 02:17
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comedyblissoption posted:There is literally no evidence of any of the claims made against Baelish except for the claims of an eye witness for the murder of Lysa Arryn. That very same eye witness gave very different testimony previously immediately after the murder of Lysa Arrayn saying Baelish did not murder her, and one of the parties (Royce) to that testimony was at the kangaroo court. That Baelish would admit to her murder in front of the knights of the vale in the way he did is really out of character. Also every motherfucker in that room wanted him dead so I don't think anyone was ready to argue.
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Aug 29, 2017 02:21
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comedyblissoption posted:There is literally no evidence of any of the claims made against Baelish except for the claims of an eye witness for the murder of Lysa Arryn. That very same eye witness gave very different testimony previously immediately after the murder of Lysa Arrayn saying Baelish did not murder her, and one of the parties (Royce) to that testimony was at the kangaroo court. That Baelish would admit to her murder in front of the knights of the vale in the way he did is really out of character. At a certain point I think Littlefinger was only protected by people hating other people more than him. When his attempts to sow chaos failed, there was no one to distract to, so everyone was just focused on him, possibly the first time that's ever happened. He burned too many bridges and so when the accusations came flying everyone just accepted as truth.
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Aug 29, 2017 02:24
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That ending was amazing,holy poo poo I love this show.
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Aug 29, 2017 03:07
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With Jon's real parents reveal, what mysteries the show has yet to explain? Prince who was promissed and The children of the forest/Walkers symbols, that's it?
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Aug 29, 2017 03:20
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So all those scenes where Sansa and Arya were angry and mean to one another and they were completely alone with no one else around, were those also a part of the master plan to entrap Littlefinger?
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Personal_Nirvana posted:With Jon's real parents reveal, what mysteries the show has yet to explain? Prince who was promissed and The children of the forest/Walkers symbols, that's it? The actual motivations of the white walkers are still kinda out there. Unzip and Attack posted:So all those scenes where Sansa and Arya were angry and mean to one another and they were completely alone with no one else around, were those also a part of the master plan to entrap Littlefinger? Littlefinger was creeping around off-screen corners.
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Aug 29, 2017 03:26
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Unzip and Attack posted:So all those scenes where Sansa and Arya were angry and mean to one another and they were completely alone with no one else around, were those also a part of the master plan to entrap Littlefinger? I assumed that it was all real until Littlefinger tried to convince Sansa that Arya wanted to be Lady of Winterfell, which is such obvious bullshit that she put things together.
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BMS posted:This had the biggest part to do with it I'm sure. Robin liked him. However, in the last episode didn't LF state to Royce "I am the Lord Protector of the Vale, and I order you to escort me the gently caress out of here"...or something close to that. Point being LF is Lord Protector of the Vale, so shouldn't he technically be second only to Robin in the hierarchy? did you guys forget that scene when LF makes a jab at Cersei for no good reason - POWER is POWER - and is surrounded by her guards and also Varys' riddle to Tyrion? it's not about hierarchy it's about the FEELS Varys won, also Doctor Spaceman posted:I assumed that it was all real until Littlefinger tried to convince Sansa that Arya wanted to be Lady of Winterfell, which is such obvious bullshit that she put things together. this is the worst and therefore truest interpretation of what happened. all the stuff before was in earnest
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Aug 29, 2017 03:38
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3 DONG HORSE posted:None of the Vale guys even like him at all. They only went along with it because Robin scares them. But if the Starks gank LF then the pussy Vale nights are free from retribution. He's still in the yard, trying feebly to lift a practice sword.
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comedyblissoption posted:There is literally no evidence of any of the claims made against Baelish except for the claims of an eye witness for the murder of Lysa Arryn. That very same eye witness gave very different testimony previously immediately after the murder of Lysa Arrayn saying Baelish did not murder her, and one of the parties (Royce) to that testimony was at the kangaroo court. That Baelish would admit to her murder in front of the knights of the vale in the way he did is really out of character. I guess it really helps that the eyewitness also happens to be the judge. Like, all the trials are farcical. Tyrion was tried and convicted twice for crimes there couldn't possibly be evidence for, since he was innocent. Ned did commit a bunch of treason, but most of it was in secret and I can't imagine Cersei testified. This was probably the only trial we saw where the person was actually guilty of the crimes they were accused of
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Personal_Nirvana posted:With Jon's real parents reveal, what mysteries the show has yet to explain? Prince who was promissed and The children of the forest/Walkers symbols, that's it? Who was the human that became the Night King? Why was he the Children's captive? Does the Lord of Light exist? If so, what does he want?
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Lycus posted:Does the Lord of Light exist? If so, what does he want? Considering all the poo poo we've seen happen in his name, he must exist in some form or another.
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Lycus posted:Who was the human that became the Night King? Why was he the Children's captive? Does the Lord of Light exist? If so, what does he want? something accepted the burnt offering of varys' severed genitals
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If only he had: a) Ridden a dragon north of the Wall to capture a wight and lose said dragon in the process or b) drew some doodles on a wall he would still be alive and would have saved us 7 seasons of inversely propotional tits and dragons
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Personal_Nirvana posted:With Jon's real parents reveal, what mysteries the show has yet to explain? Prince who was promissed and The children of the forest/Walkers symbols, that's it? There's the minor issue of the original owner of the dagger. Bran was about to talk about it when LF interrupted him. Maybe it's nothing though.
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Aug 29, 2017 04:16
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I think the Lord of Light is the supercomputer that keeps the space station's power working. The Night King is a rogue AI, a variable in the equation.
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zeal posted:something accepted the burnt offering of varys' severed genitals Obviously, he's the God opposite of the God of Tits and Wine. Lord of Light, a.k.a. Torched Cocks and Flames
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Rhaegar should've looked like a Hemsworth, Littlefinger shouldn't have cried, and the Hound should've said "shut up oval office" instead of trading quips with Brienne. The show has become everything GRRM hates and it's an awe inspiring train wreck.
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Bobo the Red posted:I guess it really helps that the eyewitness also happens to be the judge. Tyrion's trial was farcical within the story, but comparing the way it was executed to this garbage makes me a bit sad. That trial and the character drama surrounding it was some of the best this show has given us and it really serves to underline how stupid the show has gotten since then.
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Bobo the Red posted:Like, all the trials are farcical. Tyrion was tried and convicted twice for crimes there couldn't possibly be evidence for, since he was innocent. Bad writing!
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zeal posted:something accepted the burnt offering of varys' severed genitals Varys is going to die at the hands of his own zombified dong?
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Blazing Ownager posted:So many cases of this. What is dead may never die, so I guess this show is going to keep shambling south like a wight on its way to Winterfell, but it's only morbid curiosity that's keeping me watching at this point.
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fruit on the bottom posted:Ok so I just read the Vox article about Winds of Winter. Nothing new learned about the book other than that GRRM is also working on a Targ history and the fucker hopes that one of them will be done next year. This actually makes me kinda angry. If he pulls some "oh you think that's how it really happened"  bullshit after the last episode, I mmmmm oooh boy...
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tooterfish posted:Yeah, cause that never happens in real life. I don't think anyone ever said the show trials are bad writing. One of Gurm's main themes is portraying the middles ages more realistically than other fantasy, and the standards for evidence back then were a little less strict, so I'd say the show is doing a good job of being faithful to the source material in that respect. Plus it's Littlefinger, no-one cares enough about rule of law and fair representation to stick their neck out for him
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