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What I want out of the show is a fun scifi anthology show, coloring different concepts each episode. I don't mind the character introspective stuff, but I hope it doesn't become the focal point. There are a ton of character studies on TV, but very view genuinely funny and creative science fiction show, so that is what I want out of it. Otherwise I might as well watch Bojack Horseman instead. And honestly, the show is the worst when they do straight up movie riffs. Like, "Looks whose purging now" is probably the worst episode of the entire series. I just don't get it. Why do an uninspired parody of a mildly successful horror franchise? There isn't even really a twist to it, it is basically just the premise of the franchise with aliens.
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Bloody Hedgehog posted:Season 3 still sucks chode though. Boob ... nah?
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Aug 29, 2017 12:16
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e X posted:What I want out of the show is a fun scifi anthology show, coloring different concepts each episode. I don't mind the character introspective stuff, but I hope it doesn't become the focal point. There are a ton of character studies on TV, but very view genuinely funny and creative science fiction show, so that is what I want out of it. Otherwise I might as well watch Bojack Horseman instead. The twist was the purgenol.
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Aug 29, 2017 12:48
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Did I imagine it, or did detoxed Rick's skin-tone change to be a bit less grey?
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Aug 29, 2017 13:32
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Do you folks remember how in the episode Healthy Rick slaps Healthy Morty? That wasn't in revenge for Morty slapping Rick; that was him testing whether he felt anything when Morty got hurt. The result of his test: he felt nothing, which meant the part of him that cared whether Morty lived or died was in Toxic Rick and he could use that against him.
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Aug 29, 2017 13:41
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The idea that Healthy Rick had no attachments seems a bit inconsistently portrayed since he does clearly care about Summer, Beth and Morty at various points throughout the episode.
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Aug 29, 2017 13:44
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Android Blues posted:The idea that Healthy Rick had no attachments seems a bit inconsistently portrayed since he does clearly care about Summer, Beth and Morty at various points throughout the episode. He finds attachment to be a weakness.
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e X posted:And honestly, the show is the worst when they do straight up movie riffs. Like, "Looks whose purging now" is probably the worst episode of the entire series. I just don't get it. Why do an uninspired parody of a mildly successful horror franchise? There isn't even really a twist to it, it is basically just the premise of the franchise with aliens. That's so weird for me to hear because the movie parodies are my favorite episodes. It's just that Rick is such a ridiculous force that it's funny to insert him into these kinds of scenarios. At least, I find it amusing, but I can understand how someone could see it as lazy.
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Aug 29, 2017 13:50
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CelticPredator posted:He finds attachment to be a weakness. Right, but clearly not entirely, or he wouldn't care about Summer and Beth's safety or about Morty's wellbeing, which he clearly does.
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Aug 29, 2017 13:52
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Hoo-boy. I'm getting the feeling we're going to need a chart or a ven-diagram to properly portray the world-views of toxic- and Healthy-Rick. I think it's more that Healthy-Rick was incredibly sure of himself, where-as Toxic-Rick has Rick's (few?) insecurities. H-Rick knew that he could create a situation where T-Morty would survive but would cause T-Rick to worry enough that he would go along with H-Rick's demands. Just as Toxic-Morty has all of Morty's fears and insecurities and self-doubts, so does Toxic-Rick have all of the same of Rick's. So neither are uncaring for Beth or Morty.
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Aug 29, 2017 13:58
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Android Blues posted:Right, but clearly not entirely, or he wouldn't care about Summer and Beth's safety or about Morty's wellbeing, which he clearly does. The point is, Rick views this as a weakness, not that he refuses to do it. Like maybe you hate how awkward you can be in social situations, but at the same time, that might be an endearing quality about you that people like. You don't like it because it makes you feel bad. Rick doesn't like attachments because life to him is pointless and every one dies and no one matters. Which is his main flaw.
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Aug 29, 2017 14:04
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CelticPredator posted:The point is, Rick views this as a weakness, not that he refuses to do it. Like maybe you hate how awkward you can be in social situations, but at the same time, that might be an endearing quality about you that people like. You don't like it because it makes you feel bad. Rick doesn't like attachments because life to him is pointless and every one dies and no one matters. Which is his main flaw. I don't think you understand...? If he views this as a weakness then it should no longer be part of Healthy Rick's makeup. It should all be contained in Toxic Rick. It isn't though, clearly.
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Aug 29, 2017 14:39
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Android Blues posted:I don't think you understand...? If he views this as a weakness then it should no longer be part of Healthy Rick's makeup. It should all be contained in Toxic Rick. It isn't though, clearly. He says "unhealthy attachments" are the problem, not all attachments. How he defines "unhealthy" is left as an exercise for the viewer.
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prefect posted:He says "unhealthy attachments" are the problem, not all attachments. How he defines "unhealthy" is left as an exercise for the viewer. I mentioned this. Healthy Rick slaps Morty as an experiment to test his own reactions. When he realizes he doesn't have one, he knows the other Rick must have that emotional connection. You guys realize you can be polite and considerate to someone without caring whether they live or die, right? If your favorite waiter at your favorite restaurant died in a car accident you'd feel sad when you heard and then get on with your life.
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Bobbin Threadbare posted:I mentioned this. Healthy Rick slaps Morty as an experiment to test his own reactions. When he realizes he doesn't have one, he knows the other Rick must have that emotional connection. But Healthy Rick does care whether his family lives or dies, because he's distressed by the prospect of Summer and Beth being in danger from Toxic Rick.
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LashLightning posted:Hoo-boy. I'm getting the feeling we're going to need a chart or a ven-diagram to properly portray the world-views of toxic- and Healthy-Rick. I think this is closest honestly. It's just a little odd in that the climax seems to imply Healthy Rick is a total sociopath who can happily harm Toxic Morty while other stuff in the episode contradicts that.
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Aug 29, 2017 15:01
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Android Blues posted:But Healthy Rick does care whether his family lives or dies, because he's distressed by the prospect of Summer and Beth being in danger from Toxic Rick. Distressed, sure. You can be distressed that the runaway dumptruck you're fighting in is about to run into a crowded sidewalk full of strangers. That doesn't mean you'll take each loss personally the way you would if, say, your brother was on that sidewalk.
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Rick saying that he was a total hack when he's mad is a very cute callback to the Vindicators 3.
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Aug 29, 2017 15:12
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Bobbin Threadbare posted:You guys realize you can be polite and considerate to someone without caring whether they live or die, right? That's how I've been trying to conduct myself online for years
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Aug 29, 2017 15:14
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Maybe I have an irrationally soft spot for Jerry. To me, the repeated, unrelenting, unrepentant abuse of Jerry from the writers (and thus the characters, setting, and everything else on the show) is getting a little old. I'm finding myself kind-of hoping that by the time Beth realizes that, for whatever horrible reason, she needs Jerry in her life, she'll go to him. And they've been hinting at this a little, what with the horse hoof collages and her other clear signs of having issues dealing with the separation. But, through no effort of his own, Jerry has managed to land a prettier woman with bigger problems with co-dependency, and those problems perfectly fit Jerry's own brand of pathos. And Jerry can't leave her because, reasons--probably she's financially supportive of him--and then Beth learns a lesson in taking things, even piles of poop, for granted. Because honestly, I'm not really a big fan of Beth. I understand why Rick would take her side 100% of the time, but I don't get why the audience should. She's objectively terrible, and she only looks good when compared to Jerry. Of course, Rick will do something and Jerry's life will be ruined because Rick & Morty, but hey, it'd be better than watching this particular dead horse continue to get thrashed every week.
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Aug 29, 2017 16:18
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The audience isn't taking Beth's side. She's just as hosed up as Jerry is. Jerry, a grown adult asking his 17 year old for money after having a heart to heart. Jerry sucks and is terrible. But has a few good qualities. And is probably the one who might change the most.
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CelticPredator posted:And is probably the one who might change the most. Yeah, Jerry is at least self-aware about his failings, which a first step towards improving. Beth is still stuck wallowing in stubborn denial.
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Jerry is rad and I hope he teams up with Doofus Rick and builds a whole new better life for himself.
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The end of the Beth and Jerry stuff is absolutely not going to be "he's lovely and you're a mess but you should be together anyway". Thats awful (and not in the kind of way Rick and Morty goes for). Either this is the new status quo or both characters have a lot of growth to go through before they could be together. Jerry is not going to get rewarded for being garbage while Beth gets poo poo on. Jerry already showed a little bit of growth and even came to terms with Rick being part of the family somewhat. Beth has had a few moments too but she's probably due a focus episode at some point. I don't think this will get resolved this season though. This is a slow thing they're going to stretch out to keep the family adventure stuff from getting too samey.
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Jerry is already growing. He and Rick are finding middle ground, which they NEVER had before. Their having a relationship is necessary to Jerry and Beth reconciling. Meanwhile Beth is just enabling Rick. I expect it to hit some critical point and she'll realize she can't simply placate her father even though she doesn't want him to leave. What I'm really hoping this builds up to is some explanation for why Rick was gone from Beth's and Morty's life in the first place, but I'm also half expecting the show to never go there and that'd be kinda cool.
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prefect posted:He says "unhealthy attachments" are the problem, not all attachments. How he defines "unhealthy" is left as an exercise for the viewer. Isn't it 'irrational attachments'?
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Dienes posted:Isn't it 'irrational attachments'? It is, but in Rick's mind, irrational and unhealthy are always 100% synonymous.
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Skippy McPants posted:It is, but in Rick's mind, irrational and unhealthy are always 100% synonymous. Some people seem to think he's talking about some sort of legitimately unhealthy obsession. And he's not. He just says "irrational". That doesn't mean or even imply "unhealthy," no matter what Rick clearly thinks about it. Detox Rick is at best polite. He apologizes for putting his family in danger, as if he had committed some sort of social faux pas, and then is entirely neutral about the idea of doing anything further to stop his alternate self from destroying the world (and incidentally his family). He considers the fate of the world to be an "irrational attachment" too. I have no idea how someone could watch that episode and think, "Yep, Rick was right about what's toxic," when the whole point for both Rick and Morty was that toxicity is subjective and their definitions reveal further hosed up things about themselves.
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Baronjutter posted:Jerry is rad and I hope he teams up with Doofus Rick and builds a whole new better life for himself. Outside bet: this arc starts in a sweet way. After a few b-stories, Jerry takes doofus Rick to a parent teacher conference with Mr. Goldenfold and then doofus Rick falls for Mr. Goldenfold over their shared love of eating poo poo, crushing Jerry's heart in a totally new way.
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Aug 29, 2017 19:59
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Eiba posted:I have no idea how someone could watch that episode and think, "Yep, Rick was right about what's toxic," when the whole point for both Rick and Morty was that toxicity is subjective and their definitions reveal further hosed up things about themselves. Because people will always trend toward interpretations that align with their personal bias, and a bunch of folks think that Rick & Morty is an unironic endorsement of libertarianism and abject nihilism. These people are idiots.
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Eiba posted:Detox Rick is at best polite. He apologizes for putting his family in danger, as if he had committed some sort of social faux pas, and then is entirely neutral about the idea of doing anything further to stop his alternate self from destroying the world (and incidentally his family). He considers the fate of the world to be an "irrational attachment" too. I was going to make the same point. Detoxed Rick seems to say the right things in a calm and polite way but that doesn't mean he actually cares about things.
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Dienes posted:Isn't it 'irrational attachments'? Yeah, and the way he says it suggests he's trying to needle Booger Rick as much as anything.
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Skippy McPants posted:Because people will always trend toward interpretations that align with their personal bias, and a bunch of folks think that Rick & Morty is an unironic endorsement of libertarianism and abject nihilism. These people are idiots. Right, it's like how Breaking Bad was an endorsement of getting into the drug trade and being a cool bad rear end drug producer.
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My take; Rest and Ricklaxation was the best ep of any season so far. The writing is really really good for all the reasons already mentioned. If the machine had affected the two characters in the same way it would have been flat and uninteresting but coked up business morty was perfect. The scene where he breaks rick's phone and nicely threatens him followed by his insane monologue at the restaurant was fantastic. I love how they show you that morty secretly wishes that he couldn't tell the difference between good and evil and that he views his moral compass as toxic.
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In the space of a gag our Rick was permanently killed-off and we're now following a clone/replica of him like in The Prestige. By now only Morty is his original-self.
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Baronjutter posted:Right, it's like how Breaking Bad was an endorsement of getting into the drug trade and being a cool bad rear end drug producer. There are a depressing number of people who mistake the likes of Walter White and Tony Soprano for heroes or role models simply because they were the protagonist. Inspector Gesicht posted:In the space of a gag our Rick was permanently killed-off and we're now following a clone/replica of him like in The Prestige. By now only Morty is his original-self. The No-cloning Theorem has his back. So long as the original Rick is destroyed the new one can still be 'our' Rick. Skippy McPants fucked around with this message at 20:38 on Aug 29, 2017 |
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Inspector Gesicht posted:In the space of a gag our Rick was permanently killed-off and we're now following a clone/replica of him like in The Prestige. By now only Morty is his original-self. Rick was a council Rick, seal team Ricks and a federation bug before that tho.
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A wizard did it.
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Salt Fish posted:A Rick did it. Fixed.
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prefect posted:I don't trust that girl at the high school who's into docking and watersports. I think she's another government agent. The Galactic Federation monitored our internet to find out more about humans so their agents could seem authentic. So of course their conversations mostly revolve around porn.
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