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Kassad
Nov 12, 2005

It's about time.
Castaner said a thing again:

quote:

Tout en insistant face à Jean-Jacques Bourdin : « Il y a une vraie différence quand je me prononce et que je parle de ‘ma liberté’ parce que ‘la liberté’, c’est celle des Français, ‘ma liberté’ c’est la mienne ». Sur son envolée, il poursuit : « Je considère, pour ce qui me concerne, que  je n’ai pas à avoir peur des moyens de vérification et de lutte contre le terrorisme, parce que je ne me sens pas terroriste ».

BREAKING NEWS: White man in position of power not scared of being treated like a terrorist

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Toplowtech
Aug 31, 2004

Well it's too bad both the Bastille and the Temple are destroyed we could put him there and tell him it's to keep him safe.

Lightning Lord
Feb 21, 2013

$200 a day, plus expenses

https://twitter.com/hasavrat/status/903149713628708864

I'm not sure if this is an ice burn or if Macron is just an idiot

HookShot
Dec 26, 2005
LOL

Kurtofan
Feb 16, 2011

hon hon hon
what a reeeeetarrrrd

HookShot
Dec 26, 2005
I'm phone posting so someone else will have to post it but America is not happy with Hedbo today lol

Absurd Alhazred
Mar 27, 2010

by Athanatos

HookShot posted:

I'm phone posting so someone else will have to post it but America is not happy with Hedbo today lol



Voilà! :ocelot:

Kassad
Nov 12, 2005

It's about time.
https://twitter.com/leLab_E1/status/903486944566427648

:allears:

Kurtofan
Feb 16, 2011

hon hon hon

HookShot posted:

I'm phone posting so someone else will have to post it but America is not happy with Hedbo today lol

to be fair it's a really bad take

Kassad
Nov 12, 2005

It's about time.
Riss is a shithead, anyway. He keeps writing screeds about how everyone in France is scared of criticising Islam lest they be called islamophobes.

ElNarez
Nov 4, 2009
so how about that LREM député who beat the poo poo out of a PS official with a motorcycle helmet, which is a real thing that has really happened

lollontee
Nov 4, 2014
Probation
Can't post for 10 years!
It would be quite nice if posters could run tweets through a translator when posting so us lingua franca challenged untermenschen don't have to desperately try to copypaste the text on tiny dumbphone screen. Cheers!

HookShot
Dec 26, 2005

Kurtofan posted:

to be fair it's a really bad take

Yeah it's not great, but I do like the whole aspect of Neo Nazis being pro Christian and the cartoon saying God exists in their destruction and all.

unpacked robinhood
Feb 18, 2013

by Fluffdaddy

Kassad posted:

He keeps writing screeds about how everyone in France is scared of criticising Islam lest they be called islamophobes.

He's correct ? CH gets insults and threats from pissy fuckos everytime they make fun of islam, as well as stern words from coward politicians and journalists who condemn free speech going to far.

unpacked robinhood fucked around with this message at 10:11 on Sep 1, 2017

ElNarez
Nov 4, 2009

unpacked robinhood posted:

He's correct ? CH gets insults and threats from pissy fuckos everytime they make fun of islam, as well as stern words from coward politicians and journalists who condemn free speech going to far.

A) No they don't. Whatever backlash there's been against Charlie after 2015 mostly came from small-time associations and people Online. Like, you can't really say there's been a concerted effort to censor them, and that's especially true when talking about their treatment of the topic of Islam.
B) And speaking of: what Charlie have been doing on the topic of Islam, including their recent front page on Barcelona, has, for a very long time, indulged in the kind of racist dogwhistling we usually denounce when coming from the far-right. I feel like you can only claim that all muslims are potential terrorists for so long before people start to wonder if you're actually worried about terrorism.

unpacked robinhood
Feb 18, 2013

by Fluffdaddy

ElNarez posted:

A) No they don't. Whatever backlash there's been against Charlie after 2015 mostly came from small-time associations and people Online.

After 2015 it's mostly small time associations like the UOIF and the CFCM yes

Reactions about this drawing:


quote:

Abdallah Zekri, un haut responsable du CFCM, président de l'Observatoire contre l'islamophobie, fait part de son agacement au Figaro.fr. «Ça va mettre de l'huile sur le feu», estime-t-il. «Je ne veux pas être désobligeant avec ces journalistes mais ils continuent la provocation (...) Mahomet, Mahomet, toujours Mahomet... Il est mort il y a 15 siècles!»
(CFCM head whining about provocations before the bodies were cold)

quote:

le président de l'Union des organisations islamiques de France (UOIF), Amar Lasfar, prévenait qu'il se tournerait vers la justice dans l'hypothèse d'une nouvelle représentation du prophète. «Notre différend avec Charlie Hebdo portait sur le divin et le sacré, qui ne doivent pas être caricaturés».
(bolding mine, UOIF president threatening to sue if further drawings appeared)

And that's only in France and after 2015

Before 2015 ooh boy
This was about another round of lets draw mohamed:

quote:

Le Premier ministre Jean-Marc Ayrault a exprimé « sa désapprobation face à tout excès » dans le « contexte actuel » et en appelle à « la responsabilité de chacun ». En visite officielle en Egypte, le ministre des Affaires étrangères, Laurent Fabius, s'est déclaré « contre toute provocation » et a fait savoir que le gouvernement « n’encourage pas » l’initiative de Charlie Hebdo, tout en respectant la liberté d’expression.
(PM disapproving, foreign minister speaking against provocations but still likes free speech)

quote:

Le président du Conseil français du culte musulman (CFCM), Mohammed Moussaoui, a appris « avec une profonde consternation » la publication de « dessins insultants à l'égard du Prophète de l’islam » et condamne « avec la plus grande vigueur ce nouvel acte islamophobe qui vise à offenser délibérément les sentiments des musulmans ».
(wah wah islamophobia)

quote:

Le recteur de la Grande Mosquée de Paris, Dalil Boubakeur, a lancé un appel mardi soir au calme face à « une publication qui risque d’exacerber l’indignation générale du monde musulman ». « Je regrette que l’incitation à la haine religieuse ne soit pas réprimée par la loi comme l’est l’incitation à la haine raciale. Nous avions fait appel au Tribunal d’instance de Paris, après les caricatures qu’avait publiées "Charlie Hebdo" en 2006, mais notre plainte n’avait pas été retenue », indique-t-il.
(regrets "religious hate isn't illegal")

They've been trying to sue and censor CH for what is basically blasphemy and fortunately lost so far.
Religious nutfucks are always on the lookout for ways to get their retard opinions into law and I'm glad Charlie makes them show themselves every so often.

unpacked robinhood fucked around with this message at 11:20 on Sep 1, 2017

usha
Feb 14, 2012
Was there anything interesting in Macron's Le Point interview or, better yet, an English version?

Kassad
Nov 12, 2005

It's about time.

quote:

Religious nutfucks are always on the lookout for ways to get their retard opinions into law and I'm glad Charlie makes them show themselves every so often.

I don't see how you can believe that there's a risk of Muslim religious nutjobs imposing their will about any goddamn thing in France today. This is the country that freaked out about swimsuits because Muslims, for gently caress's sake.

Cat Mattress
Jul 14, 2012

by Cyrano4747
Ah yes, the traditional religious swimsuit invented in Australia a few years ago.

Kassad
Nov 12, 2005

It's about time.
I honestly can't tell if this is meant to support what I said or not.

suck my woke dick
Oct 10, 2012

:siren:I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!:siren:

Put this cum-loving slave on ignore immediately!

Kassad posted:

I don't see how you can believe that there's a risk of Muslim religious nutjobs imposing their will about any goddamn thing in France today. This is the country that freaked out about swimsuits because Muslims, for gently caress's sake.

just because regressive retards are oppressing people doesn't mean different regressive retards who would jump at the chance to oppress other people aren't also bad???

Cerebral Bore
Apr 21, 2010


Fun Shoe

blowfish posted:

just because regressive retards are oppressing people doesn't mean different regressive retards who would jump at the chance to oppress other people aren't also bad???

Yeah, but the important thing is that they're not equally bad, and if you pretend that one should spend equal time and energy on both groups you're a real dumbo.

ContinuityNewTimes
Dec 30, 2010

Я выдуман напрочь
When you've just had a brush with fascism the important thing is to make sure everyone knows how dangerous religious minorities and immigrants are.

Kassad
Nov 12, 2005

It's about time.

blowfish posted:

just because regressive retards are oppressing people doesn't mean different regressive retards who would jump at the chance to oppress other people aren't also bad???

Muslim fundamentalists don't even have a snowball's chance in hell to get in any position of power. Meanwhile, the FN just had their candidate reach the second round of the presidential election and keeps getting their views published/aired in the media (and parroted by politicians from other party). Guess what: I'm more worried about the fascists who get to spread their ideas and organise than about the people hated by literally everybody.

Nyandaber Z
Apr 8, 2009

Kassad posted:

Muslim fundamentalists don't even have a snowball's chance in hell to get in any position of power. Meanwhile, the FN just had their candidate reach the second round of the presidential election and keeps getting their views published/aired in the media (and parroted by politicians from other party). Guess what: I'm more worried about the fascists who get to spread their ideas and organise than about the people hated by literally everybody.

Muslim fundamentalists are plenty in position of power. They don't need to be sitting at the parliament to expend their ideas and influence people's life, they can use peer pressure, harassment, or straight violence. Sure there's no law in the book, but in local areas, they have real influence, to the detriment of everyone else including moderate muslims. For them religious laws are above regular laws anyway.

The good news is that when fighting far-right racism, you're also fighting fundamentalists by denying them recruits and making their stance weaker. The bad news is we've been ignoring the hate-spreading from islamist assholes because it happens in poor areas, and now it's spilling out.

Kassad
Nov 12, 2005

It's about time.
None of that changes how I feel about who's the bigger threat (by a huge margin) between those assholes and the fascists.

Anyway: welp.

quote:

French President Emmanuel Macron has suffered a fresh slump in popularity, with just a 30 percent approval rating among voters, according to a new poll published Monday.

Ardennes
May 12, 2002

Kassad posted:

None of that changes how I feel about who's the bigger threat (by a huge margin) between those assholes and the fascists.

Anyway: welp.

Lower than Trump in a third of the time is kind of unthinkable, and really makes you wonder how long the current state of French politics can last on "not Le-Pen."

Ardennes fucked around with this message at 06:53 on Sep 5, 2017

Toplowtech
Aug 31, 2004

Ardennes posted:

Lower than Trump in a third of the time is kind of unthinkable, and really makes you wonder how long French politics can last on "not Le-Pen."
Not forever, sadly.

Ardennes
May 12, 2002

Toplowtech posted:

Not forever, sadly.

Granted, you may get another LR candidate come in to "save the day" next election, but you can see how cynicism has completely taken over.

Kassad
Nov 12, 2005

It's about time.
https://twitter.com/TheLocalFrance/status/904970120832761856

:allears:

Ardennes posted:

Granted, you may get another LR candidate come in to "save the day" next election, but you can see how cynicism has completely taken over.

That highly depends on who takes the helm in that party. Its rightmost wing has very similar ideas to the FN, they're just more openly FYGM as well.

ElNarez
Nov 4, 2009
Lately Macron has been under some fire for wanting a 5 euros cut from a program that basically helped poor people afford rent. But don't worry! he has a solution!

https://twitter.com/BFMTV/status/905021937956655105

Just ask all landlords to lower rents by 5 euros! That's it!

Kassad
Nov 12, 2005

It's about time.
Le génie jupitérien.

Edit: Wait. Are... Are we being trolled by the president?

Kassad fucked around with this message at 13:07 on Sep 5, 2017

Cat Mattress
Jul 14, 2012

by Cyrano4747
LOL he's asking landlords to lower their profits.


But hey, I'd take a government-imposed ceiling on rent price. It would actually be a lot better for everyone that subsidizing rent price hikes through welfare aids.

Like, create a special landlord-only tax which amounts to everything paid in rent over the ceiling. That'll lower rent price real down quick.

unpacked robinhood
Feb 18, 2013

by Fluffdaddy

Kassad posted:

La pensée complexe

Antifa Poltergeist
Jun 3, 2004

"We're not laughing with you, we're laughing at you"



Cat Mattress posted:

LOL he's asking landlords to lower their profits.


But hey, I'd take a government-imposed ceiling on rent price. It would actually be a lot better for everyone that subsidizing rent price hikes through welfare aids.

Like, create a special landlord-only tax which amounts to everything paid in rent over the ceiling. That'll lower rent price real down quick.

This is a bad idea though because it will drive people to 1)not declare that they are landlords and being paid under the table 2) drive the rental market even further to be airbnbs rentals.it might even have some inflationary impact on the lower rents. Usualy reforming a sector/market to bring people to it from the shadow/paralel economy seems to have the better long term efects.

Theres no easy solution to the housing market because its a huge clusterfuck in all western countries but the consensus seems to be shifting to just build better infrastructure/public transports/ mobility.it seems to be better to live in a 500 euro flat in the suburbs and have your comute time slashed by half.

Anyway our dumb as bricks and possibly egiptian relic ex-president just praised macron so im glad hes failing hard

Absurd Alhazred
Mar 27, 2010

by Athanatos

ElNarez posted:

Lately Macron has been under some fire for wanting a 5 euros cut from a program that basically helped poor people afford rent. But don't worry! he has a solution!

https://twitter.com/BFMTV/status/905021937956655105

Just ask all landlords to lower rents by 5 euros! That's it!

Well, I can tell you that the reverse has happened in Jerusalem a few years ago. The municipality declared a program to provide all students at the local university with rent subsidies. Most landlords in the area immediately upped the rent by that amount (ignoring the fact that it was just a declaration, I'm not even sure if and how long it took for it to go into effect).

VitalSigns
Sep 3, 2011

Absurd Alhazred posted:

The municipality declared a program to provide all students at the local university with rent subsidies. Most landlords in the area immediately upped the rent by that amount

I recommend an immediate investment in guillotine technology

Deltasquid
Apr 10, 2013

awww...
you guys made me ink!


THUNDERDOME

Absurd Alhazred posted:

Well, I can tell you that the reverse has happened in Jerusalem a few years ago. The municipality declared a program to provide all students at the local university with rent subsidies. Most landlords in the area immediately upped the rent by that amount (ignoring the fact that it was just a declaration, I'm not even sure if and how long it took for it to go into effect).

This is how it always goes with subsidies. Introduce a subsidy and prices increase because lol you can afford it right? Remove a subsidy and prices stay the same because lol if you could afford it then, you can afford it now, right?

I suggest

VitalSigns posted:

I recommend an immediate investment in guillotine technology

suck my woke dick
Oct 10, 2012

:siren:I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!:siren:

Put this cum-loving slave on ignore immediately!

VitalSigns posted:

I recommend an immediate investment in guillotine technology

I'll let you in on a big secret: landlords are actually in it for the profits, not because they like providing the highest quality accomodation at the lowest possible price :ssh:

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Kassad
Nov 12, 2005

It's about time.
That's not the extenuating circumstance you seem to think it is :ssh:

In other news:

https://twitter.com/TTrogdon/status/905205124699750401

(spot the French islands)

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