UFC Sept: Guilty in the Court of Public Opinion

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Is Jon Jones guilty? This poll is closed.
Of course	89	55.28%
No way	6	3.73%
We'll wait and see	8	4.97%
Chael was right	58	36.02%
Total:	161 votes

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kimbo305: Jun 9, 2007; actually, yeah, I am a little mad

Rigel posted:

65% going to WME to pay off their absurd debt

Ahh yess.... WME is hosed.

# ? Sep 3, 2017 21:13

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# ? Apr 23, 2024 10:44

Google Butt: Oct 4, 2005; Xenology is an unnatural mixture of science fiction and formal logic. At its core is a flawed assumption...

that an alien race would be psychologically human.

Kaddish posted:

lol no

it aint your money dipshit

# ? Sep 3, 2017 21:13

Rigel: Nov 11, 2016

Breaking it down like this also helps explain why they were willing to let Conor go fight Mayweather. This huge McGregor vs Diaz 3 hypothetical PPV event, which is the biggest fight they can make right now, looks like it sends less money to WME than what they were able to pocket from the freakshow.

# ? Sep 3, 2017 21:18

Kaddish: Feb 7, 2002

Google Butt posted:

it aint your money dipshit

See above but you're straight delusional if you think WME/UFC is paying Nate Diaz 20 million. Namaste dipshit.

# ? Sep 3, 2017 21:41

Michael Transactions: Nov 11, 2013

Namaste

# ? Sep 3, 2017 21:42

handsome only face: Apr 22, 2010; Cockroach went out of the room in anger. And roach's go to empty room...

Cockroache's Anarchist

nate doesnt deserve 20 mil but he should get it

# ? Sep 3, 2017 21:46

Fozzy The Bear: Dec 11, 1999; Nothing much, watching the game, drinking a bud

There are about 600 current UFC fighters, so at $4 billion, each fighter should get $6.6 million, and we can have a employee operated UFC.

Win-win

# ? Sep 3, 2017 21:51

TheRationalRedditor: Jul 17, 2000; WHO ABUSED HIM. WHO ABUSED THE BOY.

Pay Neight Diabs

# ? Sep 3, 2017 21:52

kimbo305: Jun 9, 2007; actually, yeah, I am a little mad

If anyone hasn't seen the Conor x Floyd match:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjntT8tMbwM&t=965s

# ? Sep 3, 2017 21:53

Google Butt: Oct 4, 2005; Xenology is an unnatural mixture of science fiction and formal logic. At its core is a flawed assumption...

that an alien race would be psychologically human.

Kaddish posted:

See above but you're straight delusional if you think WME/UFC is paying Nate Diaz 20 million. Namaste dipshit.

You asked if he deserved it.

# ? Sep 3, 2017 21:55

Google Butt: Oct 4, 2005; Xenology is an unnatural mixture of science fiction and formal logic. At its core is a flawed assumption...

that an alien race would be psychologically human.

List the fighters who you think deserve to be paid 20 million dollars for one fight

# ? Sep 3, 2017 21:55

Kaddish: Feb 7, 2002

Google Butt posted:

You asked if he deserved it.

He doesn't. He only "deserves" it in the context of a McGregor fight in which Conor will generate a majority of whatever leverage Nate has in any given fight. Nate deserves to get paid - and paid well - but c'mon, not several times over other fighters that are better, haven been better, and will always be better. Nate is a million dollar fighter but not 20 million.

# ? Sep 3, 2017 21:59

CommonShore: Jun 6, 2014; A true renaissance man

Google Butt posted:

List the fighters who you think deserve to be paid 20 million dollars for one fight

Justin Gaethje's last fight should have been worth 20 million.

# ? Sep 3, 2017 22:00

Kaddish: Feb 7, 2002

Google Butt posted:

List the fighters who you think deserve to be paid 20 million dollars for one fight

Jon Jones, GSP, Conor, maybe DC. Ronda Rousey. Brock I guess. Mighty Mouse because why not.

I feel like we're having amnesia with Nate fights.

Kaddish fucked around with this message at 22:02 on Sep 3, 2017

# ? Sep 3, 2017 22:00

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Namaste, Fuckerqueef.

# ? Sep 3, 2017 22:02

El Roncho: Oct 15, 2006; I'm not necessarily proud of this but I'm gonna leave it here anyways.

Can we open a separate thread for wholly unknowing people who want to endlessly and pointlessly pontificate on WME/IMG's financial state?

# ? Sep 3, 2017 22:07

evobatman: Jul 30, 2006; it means nothing, but says everything!; Pillbug

Connor tapped before Nate had even started tightening the choke.

# ? Sep 3, 2017 22:09

Michael Transactions: Nov 11, 2013

Ad hominem logical fallacy much? Namaste.

# ? Sep 3, 2017 22:14

Lone Goat: Apr 16, 2003; When life gives you lemons, suplex those lemons.

El Roncho posted:

Can we open a separate thread for wholly unknowing people who want to endlessly and pointlessly pontificate on WME/IMG's financial state?

This is that thread

# ? Sep 3, 2017 22:14

I.N.R.I: May 26, 2011

evobatman posted:

Connor tapped before Nate had even started tightening the choke.

why wouldnt he. he wasnt getting out of it

# ? Sep 3, 2017 22:25

Triticum Guzzler: Jun 16, 2002

to me, when nate diaz's boxing coach says he deserves 20 million for a mcgregor rematch, that's a wholly separate thing to nate diaz actually demanding 20 million for the fight

# ? Sep 3, 2017 22:27

I.N.R.I: May 26, 2011

i really dont wanna see conor fight nate again. no offense to nate who i like a lot. although obviously i would actually watch the fight if it happened

# ? Sep 3, 2017 22:27

handsome only face: Apr 22, 2010; Cockroach went out of the room in anger. And roach's go to empty room...

Cockroache's Anarchist

i wanna see him fight either tony ferguson or khabib which khabib will never do or max holloway which conor wont do. so he's gonna end up fighting interim lightweight champion the mo-town phenom kevin lee

# ? Sep 3, 2017 23:06

Alaois: Feb 7, 2012

I.N.R.I posted:

why wouldnt he. he wasnt getting out of it

tapping when you know you've lost doesn't make any sense, you only tap when you've struggled against a hold and possibly caused damage to your body because it makes you look cooler+tougher

# ? Sep 3, 2017 23:06

Skip My Posts: Aug 15, 2005; by FactsAreUseless

Deserve's got nothin to do with it

# ? Sep 3, 2017 23:07

Skip My Posts: Aug 15, 2005; by FactsAreUseless

Rigel posted:

I was curious about the money, so I pulled out a calculator and looked up some numbers from past fights. McGregor vs Diaz 2 did 1.6 million PPV buys, I assume most of that is domestic, so I assumed they could do it again and call it $50 each. (Some will pay the $60 price and I have no idea how much commercial PPV sales brings in, balance that with cheaper overseas prices) So, $80 million. Cut that in half because the cable and satellite providers typically get half and the promoter gets the other half. So, $40 million.

The last fight between those two brought in $7.5 million at the gate. Nevada gets 8%, and I assume the operator of T-Mobile arena gets something, so say $5 million to the promoter. Sponsorships can get up to $10 million for big events, and probably $2 million from Fox for the prelims. (Fox contract is 100mm/year, 40 events a year is 2.5 per event, but this isn't a "UFC on Fox" event) So, thats another 17 million into the pot, so I end up at $57 million to be split between the UFC and the fighters.

In major sports with unions, the split is typically 50/50, but the UFC doesn't have to be fair. However, with McGregor and Diaz, they probably have the leverage to force the UFC to be fair-ish, so I'll assume the fighter's share is 35%, with the other 65% going to WME to pay off their absurd debt. So, we're at $20 million. The co-main event will probably be a title fight that takes $1 million, there will probably be 3 random vets who each get 100k, and the other 17 fighters will average about 40k, and there's 200k worth of bonuses. Taking out all of that, we're down to $17.8 million to be split between McGregor and Diaz.

Realistically, its probably like $12MM for McGregor, so Diaz would need to be happy with about $6MM. If we think they can force the UFC to accept a 50/50 split for this one event between fighters and promotion, we're still nowhere near $20MM available to pay off Diaz, maybe he could get $8 or $9 million then.

Lol

# ? Sep 3, 2017 23:08

Kaddish: Feb 7, 2002

I.N.R.I posted:

i really dont wanna see conor fight nate again. no offense to nate who i like a lot. although obviously i would actually watch the fight if it happened

I would rather Conor defend the belt but I'd still want to watch the trilogy for sure.

# ? Sep 3, 2017 23:10

Skip My Posts: Aug 15, 2005; by FactsAreUseless

El Roncho posted:

Can we open a separate thread for wholly unknowing people who want to endlessly and pointlessly pontificate on WME/IMG's financial state?

He used a calculator. Wtf more do you want?

# ? Sep 3, 2017 23:11

Kaddish: Feb 7, 2002

You know what, actually Nate does deserve $20 million in a Conor fight that generates give or take $100 million gross, which seems pretty possible. So gently caress it, I was wrong, PEACE

# ? Sep 3, 2017 23:18

Google Butt: Oct 4, 2005; Xenology is an unnatural mixture of science fiction and formal logic. At its core is a flawed assumption...

that an alien race would be psychologically human.

Kaddish posted:

He doesn't. He only "deserves" it in the context of a McGregor fight in which Conor will generate a majority of whatever leverage Nate has in any given fight. Nate deserves to get paid - and paid well - but c'mon, not several times over other fighters that are better, haven been better, and will always be better. Nate is a million dollar fighter but not 20 million.

He deserves the 20 million because it's not my money and him getting 20 million doesn't mean anyone else gets paid less. It's weird that you care this much about who deserves what

# ? Sep 3, 2017 23:18

Kaddish: Feb 7, 2002

Google Butt posted:

He deserves the 20 million because it's not my money and him getting 20 million doesn't mean anyone else gets paid less. It's weird that you care this much about who deserves what

I think it's really because of the Conor effect in MMA, especially after the Mayweather fight. I'm not sure this model translates to better pay for fighters, and as much as I want to see Nate get paid, the sport is going down a dangerous path.

# ? Sep 3, 2017 23:21

Jota: May 6, 2003; uga-booga uga-booga

I.N.R.I posted:

i really dont wanna see conor fight nate again. no offense to nate who i like a lot. although obviously i would actually watch the fight if it happened

Agreed. I would definitely watch it but I'd much rather watch Ferguson fight Conor

# ? Sep 3, 2017 23:22

Google Butt: Oct 4, 2005; Xenology is an unnatural mixture of science fiction and formal logic. At its core is a flawed assumption...

that an alien race would be psychologically human.

Kaddish posted:

I think it's really because of the Conor effect in MMA, especially after the Mayweather fight. I'm not sure this model translates to better pay for fighters, and as much as I want to see Nate get paid, the sport is going down a dangerous path.

Lol

# ? Sep 3, 2017 23:23

freud mayweather: Jan 29, 2009

if we're gonna keep throwing around fantasy words like "deserve", then nate diaz deserves a jillion dollars and immunity from all laws/drug testing due to the fight where he had that one dullard in a triangle and stuck up both his bad fingers to the crowd.

# ? Sep 3, 2017 23:24

I am Otis: Sep 22, 2003

Kaddish posted:

You know what, actually Nate does deserve $20 million in a Conor fight that generates give or take $100 million gross, which seems pretty possible. So gently caress it, I was wrong, PEACE

Peace

# ? Sep 3, 2017 23:26

eric: Apr 27, 2004; Lipstick Apathy

They should split 50/50

# ? Sep 3, 2017 23:31

tesilential: Nov 22, 2004; by Fluffdaddy

freud mayweather posted:

if we're gonna keep throwing around fantasy words like "deserve", then nate diaz deserves a jillion dollars and immunity from all laws/drug testing due to the fight where he had that one dullard in a triangle and stuck up both his bad fingers to the crowd.

# ? Sep 4, 2017 00:00

I am Otis: Sep 22, 2003

That was pellegrino who was a black belt and Nate was a purple if I remember right

# ? Sep 4, 2017 00:04

Eat This Glob: Jan 14, 2008; God is dead. God remains dead. And we have killed him. Who will wipe this blood off us? What festivals of atonement, what sacred games shall we need to invent?

freud mayweather posted:

if we're gonna keep throwing around fantasy words like "deserve", then nate diaz deserves a jillion dollars and immunity from all laws/drug testing due to the fight where he had that one dullard in a triangle and stuck up both his bad fingers to the crowd.

The "f-u" fingers were really cool. Then he flexed, also very cool. I'd also like to retroactively extend the law/drug testing exemption to Nick.

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david carmichael: Oct 28, 2011

I think conor, who is bad, should continue to only ever fight nate diaz. Who is bad

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