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If you're going to vote me then do it, there's no need to do a warm up routine.
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Retro Futurist posted:So it was just a joke vote with a day left to deadline? No but really, Opop hasn't voted anybody. At least I have a vote out. Scummy, second failed attempt at trying to call my Kash vote scummy. ##vote Opop
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Sep 4, 2017 03:42
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Magnus let's do this instead. Kashuno isn't going anywhere and besides he said it's a bad idea for town to vote him.
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Sep 4, 2017 03:43
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I hate to say it man but your material just isn't clicking with the audience, maybe you should workshop that poo poo in the comedy clubs before busting it out for the Netflix special
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Sep 4, 2017 03:58
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I've been out of the meta here for a few years. are all our lurkers typical lurkers if they play much?
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Sep 4, 2017 04:06
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DivineCoffeeBinge posted:I hate to say it man but your material just isn't clicking with the audience, maybe you should workshop that poo poo in the comedy clubs before busting it out for the Netflix special 
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Sep 4, 2017 04:29
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I'm getting kind of sick of being voted for not voting every drat game. Not having your vote on someone doesn't make you scum. This just looks like TNL trying to jump out in front of me so he can yell OMGUS when I ##vote tnl though
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Sep 4, 2017 04:31
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Retro Futurist posted:I'm getting kind of sick of being voted for not voting every drat game. Not having your vote on someone doesn't make you scum. Agreed ##vote TNL
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Sep 4, 2017 04:32
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Retro Futurist posted:I'm getting kind of sick of being voted for not voting every drat game. Not having your vote on someone doesn't make you scum. Who's worse, someone who jokevotes a day before deadline or someone who doesn't vote at all?
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Sep 4, 2017 04:38
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The first one
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Sep 4, 2017 04:41
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How so.
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Sep 4, 2017 04:41
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Retro Futurist posted:The first one yeah im w/ opop here
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Sep 4, 2017 04:54
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Without any kind of concrete information, I'd argue that not voting at all on Day 1 is the significantly lesser sin, IMHO. It's (much) worse on subsequent days, but a D1 vote is almost never illustrative of anything more than "that person made a joke I didn't like" and/or "look what a funny crazy guy I am" (or, occasionally, "oh poo poo it's a bandwagon I better hop on board so they don't come after me next"). Having said that, I am also out of the current meta, since it's been a while since my last Mafia game, so I could be out of touch on that one - but I can't really see how. A Day 1 informationless lynch - barring some sort of egregious slipup on the scum's part - is statistically much more likely to be beneficial to the scum than the town. To what degree it's more likely is unknown, since we don't know what roles are present and how many scum there are in this variant, but it's still a pretty safe bet IMHO that the game isn't divided 50/50 between town and scum. (unless there are mutually opposing scum factions, but that sounds like a fuckin' headache) That's my read, anyways; if someone thinks I'm wrong they can feel free to try and convince me.
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Sep 4, 2017 04:57
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The Ninth Layer posted:How so. Because the person not voting can still vote for someone, and they're free to discuss people and their feelings (as I did) The joke voter drums up votes on someone close to the deadline in a game (mafia as a whole not this particular one) where people tend to pile on apathy lynches at the 11th hour. And if they're scum, it lets them hide in plain sight
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Sep 4, 2017 05:04
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Not voting is scummy because scum don't care about who gets voted provided it's not them. Town have to make their kills happen by discussion and consensus. This is basic game theory and also why Opop calling me scummy for voting while not voting himself is scummy. Why didn't he vote me then? He cast around twice for a reason to escalate a suspicion on me and it took me daring him to vote me and voting him myself before he did. The fact that he says I voted him to "beat him to it" is just support for that.
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Sep 4, 2017 05:07
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Retro Futurist posted:Because the person not voting can still vote for someone, and they're free to discuss people and their feelings (as I did) Drumming up votes before the deadline is what town players are supposed to do, it's how executions happen. A second vote on someone one day from deadline is a far cry from an 11th hour vote.
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Sep 4, 2017 05:09
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Im not feeling the RF vote TNL. I voted kash to try and see if I could get him posting a lot, and to see how others would react. Im fine unvoting him, as I dont think he reacted to my vote scummily. ##unvote
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Sep 4, 2017 05:10
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Mr. F! posted:Im not feeling the RF vote TNL. He accused me of scum slipping and jumping on a bandwagon. Just a bunch of buzzwords that don't mean anything in the context he's using them. It's scummy play, how do you accuse someone of scumslipping and then not vote them??
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Sep 4, 2017 05:13
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The Ninth Layer posted:He accused me of scum slipping and jumping on a bandwagon. Just a bunch of buzzwords that don't mean anything in the context he's using them. It's scummy play, how do you accuse someone of scumslipping and then not vote them?? Ok I agree, nothing you did could be construed as a scum slip, but I dont know, I read his reaction to being voted for not voting as genuine.
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Sep 4, 2017 05:32
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Yeah it was probably genuine annoyance because the last few times I've called him out for it he was also scum!
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Sep 4, 2017 05:35
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The Ninth Layer posted:Not voting is scummy because scum don't care about who gets voted provided it's not them. Town have to make their kills happen by discussion and consensus. See that's the distinction. I can discuss things and build consensus without voting.
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Sep 4, 2017 05:51
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Retro Futurist posted:See that's the distinction. I can discuss things and build consensus without voting.
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Sep 4, 2017 05:58
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https://forums.somethingawful.com/misc.php?action=whoposted&threadid=3831800 most of you are above 5 posts itt, but if you are not, you should get there so that you are not freely lynchable day two.
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Sep 4, 2017 06:01
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The Ninth Layer posted:Not by slandering me from the sidelines you can't. I think I've even proved it here by getting you to vote. I wanted to ask you so I could get some clarification and allow you to defend yourself, which makes more sense to me than just gung ho voting someone. Then your response was not very townie so I went ahead and voted.
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Sep 4, 2017 06:26
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Well I'll unvote you if and when you can explain how my vote at all resembled a scum slip.
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Sep 4, 2017 06:58
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The Ninth Layer posted:Drumming up votes before the deadline is what town players are supposed to do, it's how executions happen. I agree with this. "A joke vote a day before deadline" when basically all votes out at the time were jokevotes, is a pretty lame accusation.
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Sep 4, 2017 13:41
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Jokevotes vs no votes as a measure of scumminess is a useless debate imo; because you're using meaningless criteria to define whether a person is scum or town D1, when a lot of people either jokevote or don't vote early on. ##unvote
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Sep 4, 2017 14:41
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Votecount for Day 1  The Ninth Layer (2): Retro Futurist, Kashuno Retro Futurist (1): The Ninth Layer this is a stickup (1): Kashuno, yronic heroism, Mr. F!, Mr. F! (1): this is a stickup 2 penny bottle imp (0): Flamander, derp (0): The Ninth Layer, yronic heroism, got some chores tonight (0): Mr. F!, Flamander (0): 2 penny bottle imp, Kashuno (0): this is a stickup, Not Voting (8): 2 penny bottle imp, derp, DivineCoffeeBinge, Flamander, flerp, got some chores tonight, Mr. F!, SaithWith 13 alive, it's 7 votes to execute. The current deadline is September 04th, 2017 at 8 p.m. CDT -- that's in about 11 hours, 9 minutes.
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Sep 4, 2017 14:50
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Flamander posted:Jokevotes vs no votes as a measure of scumminess is a useless debate imo; because you're using meaningless criteria to define whether a person is scum or town D1, when a lot of people either jokevote or don't vote early on. Seconding this sentiment. IMO if anything's a good indicator of scumminess it's calling for blood D1, given the likelihood for D1 lynches to hurt town more than scum.
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Sep 4, 2017 15:40
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The Ninth Layer posted:Well I'll unvote you if and when you can explain how my vote at all resembled a scum slip. Not a traditional scumslip, just not paying full attention to the thread
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yronic heroism posted:What I'm saying is I don't believe this is a joke town would make. well done detective! it wasn't a joke!
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hmm, I have some thoughts on these matters last time I called opop out for not voting, I was the serial killer. perhaps tnl is a serial killer! I went back through some old games to see if I had caught opop, and saw that him not voting isn't a consistent scum tell. but I was right, opop was scum! what I'm saying is, we should kill both
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I would vote for either of those people, or neither, and vote for this mole rat insteadMr. F! posted:I specifically told you NOT to target me heinously attempts to frame me by misrepresenting a vote as a targeted action Mr. F! posted:##vote chores lies about choresian posting tactics. a true injustice. proof, town chores totally carrying a town victory by posting song lyrics: https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3813438&userid=184939 Mr. F! posted:You should instead vote yourself encouraging the deaths of town players Mr. F! posted:Im not feeling the RF vote TNL. mean to tnl on his birthday. mean to kash despite kash making crazy games.
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Sep 4, 2017 17:25
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DivineCoffeeBinge posted:Seconding this sentiment. IMO if anything's a good indicator of scumminess it's calling for blood D1, given the likelihood for D1 lynches to hurt town more than scum. this is bullshit stupid garbage and makes me unreasonably angry ##vote dcb i desperately want your blood now
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Sep 4, 2017 18:21
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whats scummy is the overdone handwringing 'hey guys lets talk about this' caution mongering that town players dont have, but scum players seem to think makes them look town a town player hates scum, and when they think they smell one they go bloodhound and want death a scum player can not find or replicate this feeling so goes for the 'voice of reason' since they perceive that as 'town' somehow, even though they must have played as a town player before in their lives psychology is weird
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Sep 4, 2017 18:23
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You know the kind of thing town players hate just as much as scum? Losing. And killing off other townies is a great way to make that happen faster. You know what's a great way for scum to get a leg up early in the game? Pointing and shouting "Hey I think this guy must be scum" on the flimsiest bullshit excuse and hoping town is dumb enough to latch on. If we were on Day 3 you'd have a case, but on Day 1 a lynch based on a faint whiff is vastly more likely to catch a townie than scum. I wonder, oh how I wonder, if you could possibly be missing this fact somehow. Strangely I don't think you are.
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Sep 4, 2017 18:37
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the post i quoted from you is basically advocating for a no lynch on all day ones. this is stupid and giving the scum a free ride, dont try to dress it up as you being cool and collected
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Sep 4, 2017 18:48
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The conventional wisdom for D1 certainly used to be vote. Either scum is found or information is gained. I'm not convinced DCB just doesn't believe in a different play style though.
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Sep 4, 2017 18:52
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thats not a 'play style' its deciding not to play
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