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I think you're greatly underestimating how much people will look the other way when it comes to being paid off or threatened.
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Sure, look at all the people (e.g. Jamie Foxx, Terry Gilliam, Whoopi Goldberg, Guillermo del Toro, Tilda Swinton etc.) who've come to the defence of Roman Polanski in the past without much thought of reward.
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I've never understood that either. A lot of these people will never be considered for one of his films. Is it just that much hoping someone you respect wouldn't do it?
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Without running the risk of derailing further, just watch Open Secret if you're skeptical. It's on YouTube.
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[quote="“RenegadeStyle1”" post="“476028952”"] I’ve never understood that either. A lot of these people will never be considered for one of his films. Is it just that much hoping someone you respect wouldn’t do it? [/quote] Regular people say stupid poo poo for the attention and approval of their peers. Actors do the same. Polanski has been a cause célèbre for so long that there isn’t a lot of risk to supporting him, but maybe you get on the same page as other people who support Polanski that you want to work with/bang. The sad part is he was dealt such a loving horrible life that if he had just taken a mild punishment, most people would have forgiven him and he could have spent the last 30 years living anywhere he wanted.
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It's so much about people trying to ignore the crime because they like the work the person has done. Roman Polanski fled authorities but has made what some argue as brilliant films, so people laud him and are all "what's the big deal?" Then meanwhile you get Victor Salva, who plead guilty to his kid sex, did his time and quietly went back to work-he's made maybe one critically liked film, and a bunch of bottom shelf horror films. And at present, people are trying to ban Jeepers Creepers 3 from being released. People are able to ignore a lot if they think you're a critical darling.
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i think we''re underestimating how NOT OKAY some people are with pedophilia and how easy internet leaks can make proof of a conspiracy widely accessible if a scale like that existed, even if it was expertly managed by the same geniuses who put out treasures like wild wild westWheat Loaf posted:Sure, look at all the people (e.g. Jamie Foxx, Terry Gilliam, Whoopi Goldberg, Guillermo del Toro, Tilda Swinton etc.) who've come to the defence of Roman Polanski in the past without much thought of reward. in all fairness polanski also had to flee the country to escape a possible 50 year sentence and has been arrested/put under house arrest several times outside the US in connection to his crimes as admitted in the plea bargain, he remains a person of interest to interpol and can't travel freely without US authorities pressuring whoever happens to be hosting him into extradition like 40 years after the fact; there are definitely people with authority who care about this stuff despite there being a separate pool of uninvolved figures who might try to distinguish the artist from the man or think that some kind of honest mistake happened and might carry some sympathy for him
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Choco1980 posted:It's so much about people trying to ignore the crime because they like the work the person has done. Roman Polanski fled authorities but has made what some argue as brilliant films, so people laud him and are all "what's the big deal?" Then meanwhile you get Victor Salva, who plead guilty to his kid sex, did his time and quietly went back to work-he's made maybe one critically liked film, and a bunch of bottom shelf horror films. And at present, people are trying to ban Jeepers Creepers 3 from being released. People are able to ignore a lot if they think you're a critical darling. Yea. It's like Polanski is a really good filmmaker, but there's plenty of great filmmakers who aren't rapists. I also think I'm polanski's case there's residual sympathy over Shannon tate, but again plenty of people have their spouses murder and don't rape.
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Toasticle posted:And I swear when I watched blazing saddles a few years ago they added in Cleavon Little saying "Thats my arm" after Madeline Kahn was saying "It's soooo big!". It's been so long since seeing the original but I don't remember that line. Alhazred posted:Skyfall heavily implied that Bond is bi. Inescapable Duck posted:Even Casino Royale had Bond being quite cavalier when being whipped in the balls by a guy. Bond is a sexually liberated killing machine. trickybiscuits has a new favorite as of 21:20 on Sep 3, 2017 |
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RenegadeStyle1 posted:I've never understood that either. A lot of these people will never be considered for one of his films. Is it just that much hoping someone you respect wouldn't do it? It's the other way around. Willingness to ignore and assist in hiding crimes helps your career. As a result, many successful people are willing to ignore and assist in hiding crimes. Just think of all the incredible actors and directors out there whose work you will never see because they weren't willing to support a child rapist.
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Moral panics about secret underground child molestation cults are so common that they have their own designation, I never thought I'd see the day when goons were operating on the same level as 80s soccer moms but here we are I guess.
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Hachi Machi in this episode of Malcolm in the Middle Lois and a random lady basically have this awful violent car crash war in the middle of a mall parking lot. They just viciously rear end and t bone each other over and over again and it's all for giggles
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Calaveron posted:Hachi Machi in this episode of Malcolm in the Middle Lois and a random lady basically have this awful violent car crash war in the middle of a mall parking lot. They just viciously rear end and t bone each other over and over again and it's all for giggles That sounds wonderful and shouldn't have had any aging problems. Is there something else to it?
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Sep 4, 2017 00:09
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We now know that using your vehicle as a weapon is terrorism
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Guy Mann posted:Moral panics about secret underground child molestation cults are so common that they have their own designation, I never thought I'd see the day when goons were operating on the same level as 80s soccer moms but here we are I guess. The difference is that there genuinely have been shadowy groups of powerful men indulging in pedophilia and covering it all up.
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Ein cooler Typ posted:We now know that using your vehicle as a weapon is terrorism https://youtu.be/jhozx819izU
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Guy Mann posted:Moral panics about secret underground child molestation cults are so common that they have their own designation, I never thought I'd see the day when goons were operating on the same level as 80s soccer moms but here we are I guess. That's some pretty intense ignorance to compare crazy misguided satan panic to actual cover ups of pedophilia rings amongst people who can buy their way out of it. See: every branch of organized religion ever
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54 40 or gently caress posted:That's some pretty intense ignorance to compare crazy misguided satan panic to actual cover ups of pedophilia rings amongst people who can buy their way out of it. See: every branch of organized religion ever You are not Rust Cohle.
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Guy Mann posted:You are not Rust Cohle. I don't know who that is and I'm not going to google it either you stupid anus
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Guy Mann posted:Moral panics about secret underground child molestation cults are so common that they have their own designation, I never thought I'd see the day when goons were operating on the same level as 80s soccer moms but here we are I guess. The hollywood pedophila defender has logged on.
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:The difference is that there genuinely have been shadowy groups of powerful men indulging in pedophilia and covering it all up. that a huge backlog of predatory individuals whose active periods go decades back get brought to justice en mass in modern times is the kind of thing you expect to happen once society gets better about reporting, investigating and bringing to court these issues tho, when victims gain more volition to act and substantiated claims begin circulating to bring in police interest to historical allegations - looking deeper into this artificial pattern arising out of changing attitudes to think all these guys are all connected in shadowy celebrity pedophile cabals isn't really sound thinking outside of actual instances of criminal partnership since a lot of celebs have weak professional and social links to one another, going to the same parties and the like; dudes like savile outright bragging to nurses about having sex with corpses in morgues because he's getting 100% unsupervised access thanks to his status, or actually getting marked down as a 'sex pest' in hospital records after molestation claims from patients come forward with witnesses to corroborate but with no further action taken isn't really shadowy cover up material as it is profoundly sad that people didn't properly report those things earlier since there are authorities who will follow up on it from the same period (50s-80s) there were also a lot of kids being exploited by white collar teachers, foster parents, doctors, priests, social workers, etc, etc, etc that's also more recently come to light because of changing attitudes too, all these people getting caught together doesn't mean there's a powerful pedophile cabal with insane influence, it means we're better at following up on individuals and we're catching up on the backlog 54 40 or gently caress posted:That's some pretty intense ignorance to compare crazy misguided satan panic to actual cover ups of pedophilia rings amongst people who can buy their way out of it. See: every branch of organized religion ever this is super duper off topic now but priests don't get off the hook because they're priests and have powerful institutions to grant them some kind of weird legal immunity, they get off because claims made decades after the fact are unpleasantly difficult to prove within a reasonable doubt even when there's a massive pile of allegations, Cosby has almost no friends left in the world but he still managed a jury deadlock on similar grounds, priests still get sentenced to jail when the evidence is solid and no amount of organized religion is gonna save them, or even want to save them, outside of other criminals like that archbishop who secretly harbored and shuttled pedophiles before getting found out, defrocked and tried himself
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hard counter posted:this is super duper off topic now but priests don't get off the hook because they're priests and have powerful institutions to grant them some kind of weird legal immunity, they get off because claims made decades after the fact are unpleasantly difficult to prove within a reasonable doubt even when there's a massive pile of allegations, Cosby has almost no friends left in the world but he still managed a jury deadlock on similar grounds, priests still get sentenced to jail when the evidence is solid and no amount of organized religion is gonna save them, or even want to save them, outside of other criminals like that archbishop who secretly harbored and shuttled pedophiles before getting found out, defrocked and tried himself But that's exactly the point. You're ignoring the issue that extra-judiciary power relations can make it very hard for any kind of legal consequences to come to someone in any position of power. Organized religion is a big one because it also has this parallel system for norms, laws, and counseling that can be very hard to break out of, but systems like Hollywood, where a lot of your ability to succeed depends on the connections you make and the often arbitrary decisions of established power, particularly execs of the major film studios and distribution companies.
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Absurd Alhazred posted:But that's exactly the point. You're ignoring the issue that extra-judiciary power relations can make it very hard for any kind of legal consequences to come to someone in any position of power. Organized religion is a big one because it also has this parallel system for norms, laws, and counseling that can be very hard to break out of, but systems like Hollywood, where a lot of your ability to succeed depends on the connections you make and the often arbitrary decisions of established power, particularly execs of the major film studios and distribution companies. i think you're overlooking the fact that these positions more generally come with a certain set of tools that are required for these positions to conduct the duties of their own office, these tools that can be exploited by individuals for personal reasons, but these abuses will earn the opposition of the rest of the organization when those breaches of office come to light because it's understood that these uses are unintended and illegal, as soon as that man was discovered he was stripped of his office, the organization he belonged to did not back him further and instead actively opposed him, his short lived shuttling system was certainly not the main reason why a lot of allegations will not stick a priest within a reasonable doubt anyway but it's another example of how systems can be abused by individuals a more fundemental element of all the individuals with unusually long careers as pedophiles is that they've successfully parasitized systems with some degree of power and access to vulnerable people, whether it's something as relatively low key as a trucker exploiting the fact he's constantly on the move between jurisdictions and that hitch hikers will come to him regularly, or a celebrity using his status as a charity figure to gain unsupervised accessed to the weak, but that doesn't mean there's a shadowy conspiracy within those organizations as a whole to keep these weasels in play using money, power and influence and that's mostly the point i was making, not that these organizations don't have anything to offer to people willing to abuse them hard counter has a new favorite as of 05:06 on Sep 4, 2017 |
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To bring it back to topic, I remember that after the Jerry Sandusky molestation case came out, someone found an old episode of "Coach" where what was at the time a heartwarming story of an assistant coach wanting to help a disadvantaged youth just looks reeeeaaaally bad because assistant coach Sandusky was helping disadvantaged youths through his Second Mile charity and molesting some of those kids.
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Pretty sure he's arguing that lovely pedos and sex predators being prevalent in hollywood, etc. is because those professions and industries are easier to be sex predators in due to the circumstances of the professions (Access to minors, often combined with authority over them) instead of the Grand Pedophile Union of Hollywood. As for stuff that didn't age well, try going back and watching Even Stevens knowing what Shia Labeouf is going to be like is loving insane now. It seems less like a wacky sitcom and now you think "Yeah, I can totally see Labeouf doing that, he's loving nuts."
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Any show or movie from the 90s that had a badass character with a mullet.
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Gaunab posted:Any show or movie from the 90s that had a badass character with a mullet. I think you mean Canadian Top Hat.
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Superman needs to come back from the dead with a mullet.
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Inescapable Duck posted:Superman needs to come back from the dead with a mullet. lol I remember this in the Superman comics. They unceremoniously chopped off his mullet after a bit
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Inescapable Duck posted:Superman needs to come back from the dead with a mustache.
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Tiriganiaq posted:Superman needs to come back from the dead with a mustache. 
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Superman has to bust out of his grave with a think mullet and a curly, handlebar mustache and keep it throughout the entire justice league movie and no other character should comment on it
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Calaveron posted:Superman has to bust out of his grave with a think mullet and a curly, handlebar mustache and keep it throughout the entire justice league movie and no other character should comment on it And he should twirl it when talking to the bad guys.
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The first Ace Ventura movie has not aged well at all. The end has people barfing because they kissed a trans woman and then they sexually assault her.
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Koalas March posted:Anything on Sex and The City regarding bisexuality ("It's the first stop on the way to gay town!") Wow I knew this show was trash but this is truly dreadful
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The Blues Brothers' terrorism was justified because they were on a mission from God
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I see nothing wrong with this clip, it has aged beautifully like fine wine
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trickybiscuits posted:I see nothing wrong with this clip, it has aged beautifully like fine wine https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=41imMO7XpFg&t=100s
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Mister Kingdom posted:And he should twirl it when talking to the bad guys. I was trying to think of a joke about Superman tying Lex Luthor to railway tracks leading the JLA to realise he's not the real Superman, then realised it would probably fit in with Snyder's vision of Superman.
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Calaveron posted:Superman has to bust out of his grave with a think mullet and a curly, handlebar mustache and keep it throughout the entire justice league movie and no other character should comment on it During the reshoots they are having to cgi his stache off because he is still filming the newest mission impossible and can't shave it. So... Basically he's rocking the stache while being superman and no one is saying poo poo about it.
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