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Lutha Mahtin posted:...but the theoretical basis for detection still exists. Proteus Jones posted:Honestly outside of lab conditions and being only feet away, I fail to see how anyone can detect a passive receiver. Apart from crystal radio sets receivers are not truly passive. Certain types of receivers leak a notorious amount of RF as they are receiving and there are ways to force them to leak more, remotely (potentially useful for detecting some types of IEDs). It was, during wartime, used to locate spies. Outlawing ham radio during the wars made it easier to detect people using such equipment. It's also been used by police to detect if you're using a radar detector in places where they aren't legal. Radar detector detector I don't put much stock in the "TV Detector Vans" actually doing much detecting, but the British absolutely did have the technology and deployed it in mobile units to track down spies years ago.
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goatsestretchgoals posted:Could they even (theoretically) figure out what channel you were watching on a CRT? Someone else upstream said the UK also has ad-supported channels; could the van tell the difference? This is exactly what Van Eck phreaking is. With the right equipment you can get a fairly accurate realtime recreation from a CRT or the signal leakage of analog signaling like VGA.
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goatsestretchgoals posted:Could they even (theoretically) figure out what channel you were watching on a CRT? Someone else upstream said the UK also has ad-supported channels; could the van tell the difference? In addition to what's already been said about phreaking, from a legal standpoint it wouldn't matter. The TV license is for you to watch ANY broadcast television whatsoever, so it wouldn't matter if you were watching ITV or Channel 5 (Channel 4 is both ad supported AND publicly funded, weirdly), you'd still need the license.
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Germanies (former) "GEZ" was notorious for being really pushy and basically looking in peoples windows and all that creepy poo poo. Here we have "TV and radio" or just a radio license. The service that does it sent me a letter when I moved in and I just sent back the reply form saying I don't have a broadcast receiver. Luckily there was a judgement a while ago that specifically stated that PCs can't be defined as broadcast receivers, previously they tried to force people with computers on the radio only plan.
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Proteus Jones posted:This is exactly what Van Eck phreaking is. With the right equipment you can get a fairly accurate realtime recreation from a CRT or the signal leakage of analog signaling like VGA. Yeah it costs about $2k of equipment or so to read LCD monitors. CRTs cost like $20.
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SEKCobra posted:Germanies (former) "GEZ" was notorious for being really pushy and basically looking in peoples windows and all that creepy poo poo. Actually they changed that up a few years ago (and renamed the GEZ to "ARD ZDF Deutschlandradio"), you pay per household now, no matter which or how many devices you own. So if youve rented in germany ever since the change youve got back fees with them... and theyre greedy assholes, they wont waive them if you "sign up" now
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Sep 6, 2017 12:47
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Fil5000 posted:In addition to what's already been said about phreaking, from a legal standpoint it wouldn't matter. The TV license is for you to watch ANY broadcast television whatsoever, so it wouldn't matter if you were watching ITV or Channel 5 (Channel 4 is both ad supported AND publicly funded, weirdly), you'd still need the license. I know back years ago, if you could prove you were in an area where you physically couldn't receive the BBC signals, you could get out of it. It's all BS though, it's not a tv license it's a 'we will charge every household and dorm room £150 unless you jump through hoops' tax. If they ever turn up at your door with or without the police, tell them to gently caress off.
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Sep 6, 2017 12:53
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So, Florida is gonna get hosed. 
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Aix posted:Actually they changed that up a few years ago (and renamed the GEZ to "ARD ZDF Deutschlandradio"), you pay per household now, no matter which or how many devices you own. So if youve rented in germany ever since the change youve got back fees with them... and theyre greedy assholes, they wont waive them if you "sign up" now I know, that's why I wrote former GEZ, it's now "ARD ZDF Deutschlandradio Beitragsservice", the first 3 parts are unnecessary anyway. But yeah, the system in germany is now "everyone pays, regardless of TV", so the old methods have become obsolete and it's just about getting the money from people.
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BigDave posted:So, Florida is gonna get hosed. Ah yes hurricanes, the biggest scam of all. E: Unless...did FEMA make the storm?
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EL BROMANCE posted:I know back years ago, if you could prove you were in an area where you physically couldn't receive the BBC signals, you could get out of it. Well yeah, don't let them into your property unless they can actually prove they have the legal right to come in there with a warrant.
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Sep 6, 2017 14:03
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Fil5000 posted:Well yeah, don't let them into your property unless they can actually prove they have the legal right to come in there with a warrant. That's the bigger "scam" part - their tendency to pretend to people who are trusting or clueless (old people and students basically, sometimes immigrants) that they have police powers and force their way indoors.
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Corrode posted:That's the bigger "scam" part - their tendency to pretend to people who are trusting or clueless (old people and students basically, sometimes immigrants) that they have police powers and force their way indoors. Every time I rented in Germany I got a long lecture from the landlord or whoever I was subletting from to the effect of "they will try to barge their way in because you're foreign and they assume you don't know the law, tell them to gently caress off."
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Sep 6, 2017 14:19
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Corrode posted:That's the bigger "scam" part - their tendency to pretend to people who are trusting or clueless (old people and students basically, sometimes immigrants) that they have police powers and force their way indoors. Are there actual cases of this happening then? I'm looking now and pretty much every news story I can find on dodgy TV license inspector behaviour is from the Daily Mail, which I'm always loathe to believe unless there's something else backing it up. Especially when it's about the BBC because they loving hate the BBC. Edit: Oh, they've subcontracted it out to loving Capita, I believe it entirely.
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Sep 6, 2017 14:22
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Fil5000 posted:Are there actual cases of this happening then? I'm looking now and pretty much every news story I can find on dodgy TV license inspector behaviour is from the Daily Mail, which I'm always loathe to believe unless there's something else backing it up. Especially when it's about the BBC because they loving hate the BBC. Yeah the BBC has never directly operated TV Licensing, it's a separate company (apparently tendered out to Capita now). I've not had an inspector actually try and force entry, but one came to the door and insisted I turn the TV on to prove it wasn't tuned in.
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Sep 6, 2017 14:30
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Is there any data for the compliance rates for these TV tax programs? I wonder if the rate of return is worth it what you paid for all the equipment and salaries for the TV inspectors.
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Sep 6, 2017 14:54
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bongwizzard posted:Is there any data for the compliance rates for these TV tax programs? I wonder if the rate of return is worth it what you paid for all the equipment and salaries for the TV inspectors. If they can farm the work out I would assume it is. The company who buys the contract to do the collections is assuming all the capitol investment and if they can stay solvent with both that and passing on a chunk of it to the state, then obviously there's a decent enough return. As far as the state is concerned it's free income without having to invest anything. As with just about all tax farming schemes the only people inconvenienced are the tax payers.
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Cyrano4747 posted:If they can farm the work out I would assume it is. The company who buys the contract to do the collections is assuming all the capitol investment and if they can stay solvent with both that and passing on a chunk of it to the state, then obviously there's a decent enough return. As far as the state is concerned it's free income without having to invest anything. That makes sense, but I'm really curious to know what the voluntary compliance rate is, it's got to be pretty low to make farming out the enforcement profitable.
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It may also be that they're required by statute to enforce it, even though collection might not be especially profitable. It's like how some train stations here are technically open and have one train a week because closing them down is mired in paperwork and stuff that has to go through parliament.
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bongwizzard posted:That makes sense, but I'm really curious to know what the voluntary compliance rate is, it's got to be pretty low to make farming out the enforcement profitable. Idk but in looking I found this fantastic FoI request: https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/law_that_states_i_have_to_pay_tv E: this doesn't give a percentage but the last trust statement from 2015/16 reports 3 billion quid of income so it has to be pretty high. https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&s...41ux_kzwV7WL0Hw Living Image fucked around with this message at 20:34 on Sep 6, 2017 |
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Cyrano4747 posted:Every time I rented in Germany I got a long lecture from the landlord or whoever I was subletting from to the effect of "they will try to barge their way in because you're foreign and they assume you don't know the law, tell them to gently caress off." Germany had a real rash of that not long ago. 
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martinlutherbling posted:Ah yes hurricanes, the biggest scam of all. Even if he posted that in here by accident, there's lovely people price gouging, if you could consider that a scam So a hurricane techincally can cause people to be scamed  https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2017/09/06/hurricane-irma-case-water-sells-99-99-amazon-residents-fear-price-gouging/636893001/
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Corrode posted:Idk but in looking I found this fantastic FoI request: Lol at this really specific sovereign citizen bullshit. "I've decided it doesn't apply to me so please refund"
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Fil5000 posted:Lol at this really specific sovereign citizen bullshit. "I've decided it doesn't apply to me so please refund" It's great because he's so fundamentally misunderstood the basis of British law. We literally had a war about Parliamentary supremacy, we cut off a king's head and everything, Acts of Parliament are the foundation of the legal system and common law exists only where Parliament hasn't seen fit to legislate. Even his examples are wrong, rape is an offence under the Sexual Offences Act 2003, not common law.
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MisterOblivious posted:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5MnyRZLd8A&t=129s
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OpenBSD spoofed that skit when they added network redundancy (CARP) in version 3.5. https://www.openbsd.org/lyrics.html#35
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stringball posted:Even if he posted that in here by accident, there's lovely people price gouging, if you could consider that a scam Yeah, I meant that for the Current Events thread. Anyone still getting those scam calls that match the area code and local exchange of your number?
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BigDave posted:Yeah, I meant that for the Current Events thread. Yeah, but I never pick up.
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Collateral Damage posted:OpenBSD spoofed that skit when they added network redundancy (CARP) in version 3.5. This is awesome My wireless is called Cat Detector Van and I swear to god I've had people say "Are the cops here? Why are the cops here? There's something called Cat Detector Van." ...really?
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stringball posted:Even if he posted that in here by accident, there's lovely people price gouging, if you could consider that a scam seems like a bot price more than anything else - it noticed everything below it selling out so marked up the price.
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Spazzle posted:Yeah, but I never pick up. Same. If you aren't in my contacts list you go to voicemail. I have noticed that T-Mobile spam detector is starting to pull some of these in. I've a had an uptick of "SCAM Likely" showing up in caller ID these last couple of days.
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BigDave posted:Yeah, I meant that for the Current Events thread. Constantly, but since I don't live in my hometown and haven't for 10 years I can pretty safely ignore any call from that area code that isn't in my contacts.
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TheKennedys posted:This is awesome The loony detector van, you mean.
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lol it's a good name
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Depressio111117 posted:The loony detector van, you mean. Never seen so many aerials!
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Collateral Damage posted:We have a similar system in Sweden, where each household owning a TV has to pay a yearly fee to finance public service broadcast. I actually got visited by a TV licence inspector in 2015! I live in Stockholm, Sweden. Hadn't owned a regular TV set for years, and stopped paying the license since you don't need one for computers or smartphones. You don't have to let them in or answer any questions, so I just told him that I didn't have a TV and he went away.
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BigDave posted:Anyone still getting those scam calls that match the area code and local exchange of your number? Yeah, fewer, but still one or two every week. They call when I'm asleep and never leave messages though.
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Corrode posted:Even his examples are wrong, rape is an offence under the Sexual Offences Act 2003, not common law. Well, no one tell him that.
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Employee Pricing has to be some sort of scam. I doubt employees get a great deal on cars, but the insinuation is that they're selling cars and trucks wholesale or something.
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How does that work??? Massdrop for cars? Buy up an entire police auction for cheap?
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