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Unless it bores me to tears or pisses me off I'll give it a season, probably. Utopian scifi feels like a good idea right now.
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Sep 6, 2017 05:36
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mycomancy posted:I'm not certain if these reviews are negative. The reviewers seem like mildly retarded folk who respond to the "deep familial themes" in the Fast and Furious movies. 
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Sep 6, 2017 05:39
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Jeb! Repetition posted:My biggest concern is that MacFarlane's making the characters too cliched. I mean come on, resentful ex is his second in command, and the human bridge staff are his supportive best friend and a black guy with no filter? Oh my God they accidentally made McCoy the captain!
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Mr. Fowl posted:Unless it bores me to tears or pisses me off I'll give it a season, probably. Utopian scifi feels like a good idea right now. Yeah it's something we really need and MacFarlane understands, but that just makes me dread it not being good even more.
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Sep 6, 2017 05:46
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There's a difference between being "not good" and being "bad". If Orville is just ok that's still better than what we currently have (which as far as Utopian sci-fi is nothing). Just ok got Agents of Shield 3 seasons so far.
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There is zero chance STD is going to be good, so if The Orville rises up to the occasion of being at least as good as an early season of TNG or DS9, that's something i can live with.
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8one6 posted:
And the third season was pretty amazing stuff compared to the first two. Just like TNG.
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Sep 6, 2017 12:50
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They've had four seasons and going into their fifth.
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Sep 6, 2017 12:54
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Oh right, I meant fourth. The last one. Ghost Rider and Agents of Hydra. Good fun TV.
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Sep 6, 2017 12:59
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Al Borland Corp. posted:They've had four seasons and going into their fifth. Really? Not bad for the okayest genre show on tv.
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This is so tantalising. Maybe those reviewers just don't get it or maybe this will be a self-indulgent mess. I honestly can't remember being so intrigued by a show.
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I figure if I can survive the worst of TOS then this will look like loving Shakespeare to me
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mycomancy posted:I'm not certain if these reviews are negative. The reviewers seem like mildly retarded folk who respond to the "deep familial themes" in the Fast and Furious movies. Let me try and help, the reviews are negative and saying that the show is both unfunny and fails as a dramatic show and is nothing more than a self-indulgent vanity project for McFarlane
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Wandle Cax posted:Let me try and help, the reviews are negative and saying that the show is both unfunny and fails as a dramatic show and is nothing more than a self-indulgent vanity project for McFarlane when the left eats the left in Hollywood, it means they have a huge hit on their hands.
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Sep 7, 2017 03:15
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Even if this show and STD are both poo poo it doesn't matter since The Expanse exists
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Tighclops posted:Even if this show and STD are both poo poo it doesn't matter since The Expanse exists Truth, I haven't enjoyed a scifi since DS9 and expanse is very good.
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Sep 7, 2017 03:56
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The Expanse isn't optimistic sci fi, it's gritty and dark.
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Al Borland Corp. posted:The Expanse isn't optimistic sci fi, it's gritty and dark. It's gritty but I wouldn't call it dark; there's hopefulness and social commentary baked into the setting. It's not utopian at all but it's definitely the best space opera on TV, and miles ahead of other current genre shows I mean Star Trek it's not, but my point was basically that it's no longer 1987 and we got options
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Al Borland Corp. posted:The Expanse isn't optimistic sci fi, it's gritty and dark. Humans have a space faring civilization and earth has a functional united government with basic welfare, all after climate change, that's optimistic as gently caress from where I'm standing.
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Al Borland Corp. posted:The Expanse isn't optimistic sci fi, it's gritty and dark. The Martian is canon to The Expanse, so it can't be that dark.
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Optimism brings D+ sci-fi up to B+ sci-fi. And I am optimistic for The Orville!
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Baronjutter posted:Humans have a space faring civilization and earth has a functional united government with basic welfare, all after climate change, that's optimistic as gently caress from where I'm standing. I feel the same way about it. People are still people and bad poo poo happens but humanity got through all the challenges on Earth intact and is becoming a galactic civilization. Things worked out decently.
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You know the world is in a sorry state when our utopian fiction is based around the concept of "yeah we just barely survived all that"
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The Expanse doesn't really have aliens or exploration does it? Isn't it mostly politics?
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Al Borland Corp. posted:The Expanse doesn't really have aliens or exploration does it? Isn't it mostly politics? There are aliens, or at least alien bio-tech, right from the start. Massive book spoiler:Later there is interstellar travel.
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From various write ups I had read on Arstechnica I just got the impression it was about mining labor disputes.
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Al Borland Corp. posted:From various write ups I had read on Arstechnica I just got the impression it was about mining labor disputes. Ars has never been a bastion of particularly good reviews outside of technology / hardware--those years of Ben Kuchera, sweet Jesus--but their culture reviews have really, really gone into the shitter ever since Lee Hutchinson took over that department. Nowadays, their review of anything cultural, be it a book, movie, TV show, what have you, is basically shaded by insane hyperbole and ridiculous amounts of begging the question (which is to say, making an argument based upon facts not in evidence). I just checked their Expanse writeups and, yep, most of them have been done by Annalee Newitz, who just spouts the most inane tripe. I don't think Expanse is a stone-cold classic, but it's definitely worth watching a few episodes to see if it's your speed.
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The Expanse is about a universe where we have exactly the same problems except in space. It is not utopian in the slightest. It's a loving great show.
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JeremoudCorbynejad posted:You know the world is in a sorry state when our utopian fiction is based around the concept of "yeah we just barely survived all that" Star Trek had humanity getting out into space despite barely surviving the Eugenics War and WW3.
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Good point.
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If all my regular problems were just in space that would be pretty utopian for me.
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Those 'negative' reviews and 'spoilers' make me want to watch it a lot more than when I first heard about it. I can't stand Family Guy so if this isn't that, I'm happy.
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Aphrodite posted:If all my regular problems were just in space that would be pretty utopian for me. No, I mean corruption, corporate greed, selfishness, vendettas, nationalism, etc. Life is not cherished unless its your own faction (barely). MAD is the only thing keeping the peace. It's the anti-Star Trek.
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3 DONG HORSE posted:No, I mean corruption, corporate greed, selfishness, vendettas, nationalism, etc. Life is not cherished unless its your own faction (barely). MAD is the only thing keeping the peace. I'd love something slightly cyberpunk grimdark like the expanse to actually over the seasons show how things can get better, show the transition to a more optimistic future. What I hate is this idea (how ever valid it might be) that nothing will ever get better, any human society will just be hopelessly terrible and every good act will be undone, every step of progress rolled back or countered by something worse.
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thexerox123 posted:Star Trek had humanity getting out into space despite barely surviving the Eugenics War and WW3. Sure, but Star Trek itself took place hundreds of years after those events. Humans in Star Trek don't go to war with each other and all of their basic needs are met in a largely ethical society. In The Expanse, Earth might be providing "basic subsistence" (and are we certain that it actually covers food/healthcare/shelter?) but my understanding is that it's doing so in part by exploiting the Belters and they'd be in big trouble if material ever stopped flowing from the Belt.
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http://deadline.com/2017/09/the-orville-review-seth-macfarlane-adrianne-palicki-star-trek-fox-video-1202162848/ Another mostly useless review. How can someone write 1000 words about the fact that they don't like something and then not give a specific example of what they don't like?
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Baronjutter posted:I'd love something slightly cyberpunk grimdark like the expanse to actually over the seasons show how things can get better, show the transition to a more optimistic future. What I hate is this idea (how ever valid it might be) that nothing will ever get better, any human society will just be hopelessly terrible and every good act will be undone, every step of progress rolled back or countered by something worse. It's not the anti-Star Trek. It's not exploring a pessimistic extreme in contrast to an optimistic ideal. It's just kind of grinding along, with some things improving but people continuing to be people. I think it's going to ultimately be optimistic- it's about people trying to make a difference in a lovely world- but the books are pretty drat dark so far. If you want something that looks dark but is about the potential transition to something more ideal, you're looking for some more recent Kim Stanley Robinson books, particularly New York 2140. And if you want something that's totally utopian but still explores darker aspects you're looking for Ian M Bank's Culture books. I really like utopian fiction. When you get down to it though it's a lot harder to make it work as a story than dystopian fiction. Exploring an ideal society in a story that naturally has to feature conflict (or it's a boring story) is difficult. I hope The Orville doesn't gently caress it up.
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