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Eiba posted:Yeah, I think the Expanse avoids that cynical extreme. I crossed off the stuff that is not in the TV show. It looks a lot bleaker, doesn't it? Books don't count. There is pretty much 0 evidence of the common people enjoying anything. Even on Mars, where many people are well off (arguably we saw mostly rich people tho), is a straight up military dictatorship. One of the main events in the series is genocide for which nobody gets punished! e: last edit, Expanse has one of the best spaceship fights to ever exist. It rules. Anyway this is really off topic. Orville is gonna be the opposite of this for sure. 3 DONG HORSE fucked around with this message at 21:46 on Sep 7, 2017 |
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I'm hesitant to call The Expanse an anti-Star Trek because a lot of the show is about a small group of people or individuals trying to their best to fight or stop or at least improve that nasty rear end poo poo that makes the world they live in so crappy for most people. Something like Lexx, which was just a bunch of horny fuckers trying to get laid while casually blowing up planets is probably more of an anti-Star Trek.
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Sep 7, 2017 21:48
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"Game of Thrones is a show about hope and optimism because Jon Snow fights evil" is your argument
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Sep 7, 2017 22:08
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I don't watch GoT so I can't speak to your comparison but I didn't say The Expanse was explicitly about hope and optimism, I just tried to point out that it isn't really an anti-Trek.
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Sep 7, 2017 22:11
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My whole point is that it doesn't fill the Star Trek niche. Grim or optimistic, it's just a different subgenre.
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Lexx is absolutely the anti-trek. No one is trying to do the right thing or save anything, the universe ends up being destroyed, , the male lead can never get laid and is a pathetic coward no one likes, they leave a trail misery behind them. Expanse is just a "GRITTY" "REALISTIC" cyberpunk future of mega-corps and government conspiracies and a brave little crew of the player characters go around doing missions. Expanse is basically just someone's space D&D brought to film.
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Anti-Trek would be pointedly dystopian. Lexx's themes were sex and decay. It seems a little off-mark.
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Sep 7, 2017 22:30
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Let's settle this. The Anti-Trek is STD because it's gonna be so bad we will wish for WW3
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Is there any stuff that gets into the Eugenics War or is it just left at "a war related to eugenics happened."
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Sep 7, 2017 23:17
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Jeb! Repetition posted:Is there any stuff that gets into the Eugenics War or is it just left at "a war related to eugenics happened." It's really just talked about and never shown, which is a shame cause it sounds like really exciting stuff. The closest I think they ever come is the first episode with Q's trial and First Contact, but both those happen long after the Eugenics Wars themselves. There's a couple novels that delve into different ideas about it, but you know, novels. You can make up your own events though. For instance, you can choose to believe that Mad Max takes place in the Star Trek universe.
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Al Borland Corp. posted:From various write ups I had read on Arstechnica I just got the impression it was about mining labor disputes. Its good you should watch it.
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Jeb! Repetition posted:Is there any stuff that gets into the Eugenics War or is it just left at "a war related to eugenics happened." Pretty sure after early TNG they forget it ever happened, especially with Voyager 90s time travel.
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Sep 8, 2017 00:27
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Phi230 posted:Its good you should watch it. Nah I don't got cable
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Al Borland Corp. posted:Nah I don't got cable you got internet right there are things called streaming and other ways
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socialsecurity posted:Pretty sure after early TNG they forget it ever happened, especially with Voyager 90s time travel. Iirc, they didn't forget about it as much as retconned it into a war that happened under the surface of most people. Not really sure how that works, but whatever.
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Sep 8, 2017 00:53
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Phi230 posted:you got internet right Nah I don't do dat. If it's on Netflix or Amazon I'll check it out
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MisterBibs posted:Iirc, they didn't forget about it as much as retconned it into a war that happened under the surface of most people. Not really sure how that works, but whatever. There was a nuclear holocaust, but only online.
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Al Borland Corp. posted:Nah I don't do dat. If it's on Netflix or Amazon I'll check it out I believe Amazon has the US rights.
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Eugenics War / WW3 would be a loving amazing TV series. I feel like there's potential to treat it like DS9 (versus like TOS or TNG). Correct me if I'm wrong but humans are still actively researching spaceflight despite all this so that would be a cool way to center it on technology and hope without making it the most depressing series ever.Al Borland Corp. posted:Nah I don't do dat. If it's on Netflix or Amazon I'll check it out It's on Prime, that's how I watched it!
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3 DONG HORSE posted:Eugenics War / WW3 would be a loving amazing TV series. I feel like there's potential to treat it like DS9 (versus like TOS or TNG). Correct me if I'm wrong but humans are still actively researching spaceflight despite all this so that would be a cool way to center it on technology and hope without making it the most depressing series ever. IMHO, I feel like that's territory best left as nebulous, unfilmed backstory. That way no matter what the specific horrors of the next century actually are, Star Trek can still play as a fantasy future for it all.
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Jeb! Repetition posted:Is there any stuff that gets into the Eugenics War or is it just left at "a war related to eugenics happened." We know Khan was involved in it. And we also know that bringing Khan back into modern Trek is a bad idea.
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socialsecurity posted:Pretty sure after early TNG they forget it ever happened, especially with Voyager 90s time travel. That's an alternate timeline where some dick succeeded where Rasmussen failed. Entirely possible that the injection of 'innovation' into society detracted from the perceived need to breed/genetically tinker a better human. Kinda sad how Relativity made hobo!Braxton the fortunate version for not being Minority Report'd to time prison. oh my god what have i done with my life
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I'd want new Trek to pick up post-DS9. It'd be about dry rot and internal/external discontent. If the Federation is globalization/liberalism, you could map oligarchy onto military rule and you could map resistance to globalization onto resentment of Federation bigotry.* Science fiction succeeds best when it puts today's problems into tomorrow's context. I think they could do this again and again by drawing inspirado from, specifically, the failures of neoliberalism and neoconservatism. I'd watch that! Edit: * It's a human-vulcan society for the advancement of space communism. This isn't everyone's dream.
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I'm getting the impression that the problem that reviewers have with The Orville is that it's not Family Guy in Space. I wonder if they were upset that Neil deGrasse Tyson didn't relay a story about the discovery of the Cleveland Steamer on Cosmos.
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Accretionist posted:I'd want new Trek to pick up post-DS9. It'd be about dry rot and internal/external discontent. I tried finding a screen that could display the appropriately sized  for this tired deconstructionist cynicism but they kept kicking me out of the IMAX projection booth.
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The Eugenics War happened in the 90's. There are no aliens, no starships, no phasers, basically nothing tying it to Star Trek other than Khan. That'd be pretty difficult to make and market.
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War sans End posted:I wonder if they were upset that Neil deGrasse Tyson didn't relay a story about the discovery of the Cleveland Steamer on Cosmos. Well, now I'm upset about it anyway.
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The most worrying review is the one from the AV Club because they completely get what Seth MacFarlane's going for and even agrees that it's desirable but still don't think it works, and in pretty much exactly the ways I feared.
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vermin posted:It's really just talked about and never shown, which is a shame cause it sounds like really exciting stuff. I wish this was done more often, myself. Sometimes less is more, and whenever shows do flashbacks to show you something that get referred to in the past, it's always underwhelming and just retroactively ruins the things that referred to it. Case in point: The Star Wars prequels.
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Beat me to it, I was about to say look how filling in the backstory for the clone wars turned out. (Not talking about the animated one)Jeb! Repetition posted:The most worrying review is the one from the AV Club because they completely get what Seth MacFarlane's going for and even agrees that it's desirable but still don't think it works, and in pretty much exactly the ways I feared. Yeah, I read this too and it seems closest to an honest assessment of the show. Then again, it wouldn't be a TNG-or-later Trek if it didn't start out wildly uneven...
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Or star wars rebels, which is awful
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Pakled posted:The Eugenics War happened in the 90's. There are no aliens, no starships, no phasers, basically nothing tying it to Star Trek other than Khan. That'd be pretty difficult to make and market. They tried to do a Gary Seven spinoff back during TOS, which wouldn't have had much of anything to do with Star Trek either. But that kind of proves your point, since the network/studio/etc showed no interest in it.
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I don't understand why anything has ever been written since the first time a bad writer wrote a bad thing. How could a story possibly be good after that? 
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Al Borland Corp. posted:Nah I don't do dat. If it's on Netflix or Amazon I'll check it out it is indeed on amazon
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Tanks bub
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New tv spot with decent joke at the end! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rv9E7RzTAiU
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The_Doctor posted:New tv spot with decent joke at the end! Well, you're half right: it is a new TV spot
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Bob's Burgers > American Dad > Cleveland Show > Family Guy Come on Macfarlane...come on Macfarlane pull a victory out of your rear end and don't be bad...turn it around by episode 6...
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The_Doctor posted:New tv spot with decent joke at the end! I'm going to need Scott Grimes to do his Steve Smith voice sometime during the series.
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At least let him bust out some hip hop.
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