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Something that occurs to me is we still don't have an explanation for where the night 1 kill went. Mr.F!/Magnus claims he was roleblocked night 1 which could have been scum Flamander's jail. It's possible that this jail blocked the Tesco kill (assuming there was one) but that still does not explain the missing scum kill. The only claimed mechanism for that kill to have been stopped is if scum tried to kill either DCB or yronic heroism; either way the kill would have been blocked by DCB's bulletproof shot. If anyone has a role that could have stopped a kill night 1 now is probably the time to claim it.
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2 penny bottle imp posted:Ahhh, okay I missed the monster vs tesco thing. I assumed Godfather implied + goons, but I guess that's not a 100% reliable meta assumption.
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Sep 12, 2017 21:05
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The Ninth Layer posted:Uhh, how did you recruit derp based on his doctor claim if you had to pick someone on night 0 to recruit? I pointed this out earlier - derp claimed N0, basically during confirmations. At the time I took it as a jokevote; apparently imp did not.
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Sep 12, 2017 21:07
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Hmm okay. One thing that does make me feel better about that claim is that derp claimed it somewhat early and without much prompting so at least the role probably exists. Whether it's a town role, or a Monster role designed to look like a town role, or simply 2pbi just claiming his buddy status as a mason is a different story I guess.
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Sep 12, 2017 21:10
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I really don't like the mason claim. Seems too convenient to me. Can someone explain what is the point of unconfirmed mason buddies anyway?
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Sep 12, 2017 21:36
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How do you guys feel about a no lynch? With 6 players, 1 wrong lynch puts us in LyLo, whereas waiting a night for more info means 1 wrong lynch would still 'just' be LyLo.
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Sep 12, 2017 21:37
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yronic heroism posted:I really don't like the mason claim. Seems too convenient to me. Can someone explain what is the point of unconfirmed mason buddies anyway? The point is apparently to make me look like an idiot.
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Sep 12, 2017 21:38
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The Ninth Layer posted:Something that occurs to me is we still don't have an explanation for where the night 1 kill went. Mr.F!/Magnus claims he was roleblocked night 1 which could have been scum Flamander's jail. It's possible that this jail blocked the Tesco kill (assuming there was one) but that still does not explain the missing scum kill. The only claimed mechanism for that kill to have been stopped is if scum tried to kill either DCB or yronic heroism; either way the kill would have been blocked by DCB's bulletproof shot. i think maybe there is 3+1 or 2+2 scum balanced by not allowing a kill first day
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Sep 12, 2017 21:43
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2 penny bottle imp posted:How do you guys feel about a no lynch? With 6 players, 1 wrong lynch puts us in LyLo, whereas waiting a night for more info means 1 wrong lynch would still 'just' be LyLo. I am not cool with that because I don't think we have enough anti scum powers left with cop and watcher gone.
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Sep 12, 2017 21:46
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yronic heroism posted:I am not cool with that because I don't think we have enough anti scum powers left with cop and watcher gone. Doesn't matter. A clean scum kill still gives us info, and just as many days to LyLo.
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Sep 12, 2017 22:02
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Votecount for Day 4  2 penny bottle imp (1): yronic heroism The Ninth Layer (0): 2 penny bottle imp, Not Voting (5): 2 penny bottle imp, DivineCoffeeBinge, got some chores tonight, The Ninth Layer, this is a stickupWith 6 alive, it's 4 votes to execute. The current deadline is September 13th, 2017 at 8 p.m. CDT -- that's in about 1 day, 3 hours.
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Sep 12, 2017 22:02
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yronic heroism posted:I am not cool with that because I don't think we have enough anti scum powers left with cop and watcher gone. I second this, especially since we've had two nightkills for a few nights now and our assumption that there are only 4 scumbos is just that. (I would be kinda stunned if it weren't the case, but if there are mutually-opposed scum teams that have it out for each other as much as they have it out for town I could sorta see it, if I squint)
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Sep 12, 2017 22:05
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DivineCoffeeBinge posted:I second this, especially since we've had two nightkills for a few nights now and our assumption that there are only 4 scumbos is just that. 5 scum in a 13 person game, with the only town roles so far as cop (but there's a godfather), watcher (but there's a ninja), and mason (but I'm an idiot) would be pretty rough.
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Sep 12, 2017 22:08
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got some chores tonight posted:i think maybe there is 3+1 or 2+2 scum balanced by not allowing a kill first day I was considering this as well. I did consider derp as an sk after seeing the flip, but I'm not sure it tracks. I had 2 thoughts (excluding it being fake) about his claim of doc self protecting nightly, 1) he was bp, but lost it, or 2) he's playing chicken with a kill in a weird way. bp godfather sk seems a bit much to me, but would explain n1 missing 1 kill, and the jail the other. 2+2 makes more sense to me based on what we know about the setup thus far, and explains all the weirdness around imp and derp far better than anything else I've got. depending on the details of kash's flavor, I could see him only being able to detect monsters, not humans, with echo cop abilities as justification for godfather. unfortunately this doesn't help us suss out if there are 3 monsters or 2 tesco. I got distracted with work and forgot what other thing I wanted to say, but it was slightly in support of derp being a 1 man team
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Sep 12, 2017 22:10
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yronic heroism posted:I really don't like the mason claim. Seems too convenient to me. Can someone explain what is the point of unconfirmed mason buddies anyway? it's just a mechanic that adds an interesting twist. if both parties believe each other town, and they are correct, it is very powerful for them to have out of thread contact. but, the sliver of doubt that will always be there makes it a little more interesting. it's more interesting still when you're scum and trick an unconfirmed mason into trusting you, or bag a scum mason partner
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Sep 12, 2017 22:14
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2 penny bottle imp posted:5 scum in a 13 person game, with the only town roles so far as cop (but there's a godfather), watcher (but there's a ninja), and mason (but I'm an idiot) would be pretty rough. I thought so too, but then I was wondering if maybe there was a blanket-enforced n1 no-kill to balance it out. That does seem a little much, though.
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Sep 12, 2017 22:15
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DivineCoffeeBinge posted:Something else I just thought of that bears noting: I've been assuming, I think we've all been assuming, that Kashuno's "well I reread the posts and TNL looks like town to me now" bit was a softclaim, but since he never made any definitive claims it's entirely possible that he investigated someone else and changed his mind on TNL for exactly the reason he posted. if kash posted that as cop without realizing we would believe it is a soft claim, I will yell at him later
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Sep 12, 2017 22:16
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DivineCoffeeBinge posted:I thought so too, but then I was wondering if maybe there was a blanket-enforced n1 no-kill to balance it out. That does seem a little much, though. it wouldn't have to be blanket, just one faction would do. one kill could've been stopped by the jail or similar.
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Sep 12, 2017 22:17
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this is a stickup posted:if kash posted that as cop without realizing we would believe it is a soft claim, I will yell at him later Does Kash strike you as the kind of player who'd let that stop him? That's a serious question by the way, I'm never sure how much of the "eh, effort is hard, I'm just gonna cruise in and drop three one-line posts and then jet for the day" style of play I see some players use is genuine and how much it's a tactic.
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Sep 12, 2017 22:19
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im pretty sure kash cleared tnl
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Sep 12, 2017 22:23
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DivineCoffeeBinge posted:this is a stickup tunneled in on yronic all of the early game, seems to have (mostly) abandoned that. I'm curious what about his own role makes him think the possibility of Kash as a lover is plausible. "so I guess it was flam+flerp and derp+imp" is a good conclusion and for the most part I like it. godfathers can kill, usually. sometimes they lose godfather while killing or similar. if your scum team is all PRs, having the godfather kill is great as everyone else can use their actions. just don't claim vanilla and get watched killing someone  wrt yronic I still have a scummy read, but his responses to constant pressure seemed better the last day. at least none of his reactions or counters stood out to me like the previous days.
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Sep 12, 2017 22:24
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got some chores tonight posted:i think maybe there is 3+1 or 2+2 scum balanced by not allowing a kill first day Maybe, either way it leaves us with one scum player left, it's just a matter of which connections you want to put weight on.
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Sep 12, 2017 22:27
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DivineCoffeeBinge posted:Does Kash strike you as the kind of player who'd let that stop him? kash has enough awareness to not clear someone if he hasn't cleared them imo. he usually gives real reads and opinions, even if they are often one liners.
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Sep 12, 2017 22:28
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this is a stickup posted:kash has enough awareness to not clear someone if he hasn't cleared them imo. he usually gives real reads and opinions, even if they are often one liners. Fair enough, thank you.
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Sep 12, 2017 22:29
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assuming kash's cop can only find monsters, I'm not sure if I prefer 3+1 or 2+2
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Sep 12, 2017 22:31
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For the record I didn't see anything in Kash's history that suggested he cleared me and if anything he seemed to be asking why people thought I was cleared. I'm town anyway so feel free to believe otherwise.
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Sep 12, 2017 22:32
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I am just not liking any of the reasoning imp has given for anything. The mason thing is weird for a scum play but he did qualify it with saying derp was unconfirmed. Weird planting of doubts posts and vote pullback yesterday. Still my number one suspect but I will hear out other cases. Any thoughts on whether we should claim? I kind of think we should but that's because I'm not sure town has any roles left worth protecting. Also is there a meta read on TNL and chores?
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Sep 12, 2017 22:33
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this is a stickup posted:assuming kash's cop can only find monsters, I'm not sure if I prefer 3+1 or 2+2 If he can only find monsters and there's a Tesco godfather, that's a pretty crippled role.
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Sep 12, 2017 22:33
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yronic heroism posted:I am just not liking any of the reasoning imp has given for anything. The mason thing is weird for a scum play but he did qualify it with saying derp was unconfirmed. Weird planting of doubts posts and vote pullback yesterday. Still my number one suspect but I will hear out other cases. yeah that i own
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Sep 12, 2017 22:34
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If it's not lylo today then it's lylo tomorrow, I think claiming today is probably a good idea as we may at least learn something about the first night. I'm VT.
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Sep 12, 2017 22:34
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The Ninth Layer posted:For the record I didn't see anything in Kash's history that suggested he cleared me and if anything he seemed to be asking why people thought I was cleared. I'm town anyway so feel free to believe otherwise. I dunno, people do leave overly obvious breadcrumbs like this as cop. me included. Kashuno posted:If I wasn't so sure you were Town TNL I would be like scum trying to save scum team Kashuno posted:Why is TNL confirmed Town? after seeing the flip, I took the second post to be kash feeling out if someone else was setting up to claim cop.
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Sep 12, 2017 22:37
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yronic heroism posted:I am just not liking any of the reasoning imp has given for anything. hmmm wonder if that's because Ive been hounding you most of the game.
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Sep 12, 2017 22:40
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this is a stickup posted:I dunno, people do leave overly obvious breadcrumbs like this as cop. me included. Hey what's your role? Let's massclaim.
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Sep 12, 2017 22:41
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i think dcb killed kashuno or i guess derp did but i think dcb is on derps team
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Sep 12, 2017 22:41
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2 penny bottle imp posted:If he can only find monsters and there's a Tesco godfather, that's a pretty crippled role. not really. echo cop with only 13 players: if its 4 scum and he picks 3 people, he'll be close to a 100% rate of finding 1 scum/2 town pairs. if he got 2/4 scum in one pair of 3, it's almost game over. cutting it to monsters only 3+1 is still really good chances, but gives the scum a little room to hide, and makes sense thematically
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Sep 12, 2017 22:42
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or yronic is a monster with flerp and flamander ok those are my reads
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Sep 12, 2017 22:48
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mags is such a lovely town player
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Sep 12, 2017 22:49
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2 penny bottle imp posted:hmmm wonder if that's because Ive been hounding you most of the game. You haven't though. You've been voting on me but not saying much about it other than claiming agreement with stickup. Since I know I'm town that makes me very suspicious of the second vote on me who seems less genuine than stickup.
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Sep 12, 2017 22:49
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I will claim if we are mass claiming, but be aware my role will not illuminate much, and I still have a useful action for el scumbo (assuming it's not imp somehow). mine didn't go off cause derp was nk'd
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this is a stickup posted:I will claim if we are mass claiming, but be aware my role will not illuminate much, and I still have a useful action for el scumbo (assuming it's not imp somehow). mine didn't go off cause derp was nk'd If the game's not over today it's over tomorrow. We have a living claimed bodyguard. No reason not to claim at this point.
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