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Cojawfee posted:CBS/Paramount don't own "TV show set on a space ship." Lol yah that's the only thing this takes from star trek
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Cojawfee posted:CBS/Paramount don't own "TV show set on a space ship." Cmon dude I didn't even hate it, but it is a colorswapped ripoff of TNG
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Sep 13, 2017 01:36
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...and it's infinitely better than the time actual Star Trek tried to do a ripoff of TNG.
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Sep 13, 2017 01:39
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I'm not even anti-Orville — I thought it was "ok" — I'm just legit confused about how CBS isn't filing suit against FOX right now. Every design and situational element is ripped directly from star trek yet it's not a parody at all because not a single joke comes from riffing on the "star trekkyness" of it.
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Sep 13, 2017 01:40
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Okay b****** I laughed at least 5 times to the premiere. Making the stoic Guy the one with the weird reproduction is funny. T&g with no sense of professionalism is funny. The jokes were dumb, but when characters did silly things I laughed. It's time to watch a show. And that show is the show. Yeah. It's watching showtimes.
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Sep 13, 2017 01:43
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Polo-Rican posted:Yeah, this is what I find weird about the pilot. Is it even legal for a show to rip off a series in every way and then not actually parody that series?? They're not using any Star Trek names or actual designs for ships/props/characters so they're in the clear. The core concepts of this show might be similar to Star Trek but the ideas are so generic in space fiction that Paramount can't claim they own them. The times that Paramount can go after a production is when they're actually using Trek IP, like the Axanar fan film, which was taking names and plot points that were directly mentioned on Star Trek.
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Sep 13, 2017 01:44
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Orville isn't trying to profit off of Star Trek IP, and MacFarlane pitched it as a sci-fi comedy-drama, not a space opera drama. The fact that Orville is hitting notes that are much more Star Trek TNG than everything we've seen out of Star Trek in the past twenty years put together is not admissible evidence for whatever CBS would even want to attempt to file suit for.
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Soothing Vapors posted:Cmon dude I didn't even hate it, but it is a colorswapped ripoff of TNG And? Ever notice how when A Bugs Life and Antz came out, they were the same concept but Pixar didn't sue Dreamworks? Because you can't own a generic concept for something unless you patent something.
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Sep 13, 2017 01:48
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Polo-Rican posted:I'm not even anti-Orville — I thought it was "ok" — I'm just legit confused about how CBS isn't filing suit against FOX right now. Every design and situational element is ripped directly from star trek yet it's not a parody at all because not a single joke comes from riffing on the "star trekkyness" of it. you can't copyright concepts only the expression of them
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Zurui posted:
CBS All Access: "Oh, poo poo."
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Comrade Fakename posted:Yeah, this show has nothing to do with TNG. In fact I doubt McFarlane has even seen it. So you are claiming not to be hyperbolic but rather to simply not know what words mean? It's clearly an homage to TNG. It clearly is inspired by earlier works (as all things are) and, yes, heavily - but that doesn't make it a ripoff. The entire mood and tone is intentionally different for one thing. It's not trying to do the same thing TNG was. It is trying to appeal to TNG fans obviously, but that's not the same thing.
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Sep 13, 2017 02:09
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Command wears blue, Security wears red, green is Medical... not a parody. Totally different concept.
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Sep 13, 2017 03:36
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Parody is pretty well protected, even if goons say its not a parody.
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Sep 13, 2017 04:17
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It's averaging 4.2 on Amazon!
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Mantis42 posted:Parody is pretty well protected, even if goons say its not a parody. All goons are entertainment lawyers.
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Mantis42 posted:Parody is pretty well protected, even if goons say its not a parody. Nah. It's unlikely that if this ever saw a courtroom (it won't) that 20th Century Fox would go through the risk of having to affirmatively argue that the fair use exception applies rather than just point out that no copyrighted material was used. You argue parody as a defense when you want to be able to do a skit that actually uses the names Enterprise and Kirk/Picard/whatever and there's no way to deny you're using copyrighted material. Sir Kodiak fucked around with this message at 04:46 on Sep 13, 2017 |
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jfood posted:Command wears blue, Security wears red, green is Medical... not a parody. Totally different concept. The idea of color coding personnel based on job is totally original to star treks 
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Sep 13, 2017 04:43
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This is a parody of the United States military's planned Space Corps, inspired by the US Navy.
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The Bloop posted:So you are claiming not to be hyperbolic but rather to simply not know what words mean? It's obvious that McFarlane wanted to make a Star Trek show. He couldn't get access to the license so he made his own, near identical show. I don't know, or care, about the legalities of the issue. But as others pointed out, it's not a parody. Tone already varies in Trek properties, but if you think that McFarlane woke up one day and had an idea for a sci-if show out of nothing and it's just a coincidence that it shares a concept, format, multiple character archetypes, and a near-identical aesthetic with Star Trek: The Next Generation, then I don't know what to tell you.
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Fox Television Group chairman and CEO Dana Walden posted:“We’re not really concerned,” she said. “We obviously have a big legal team. We vet things, so it’s not like we’re just flying by the seat of our pants out here. Seth’s intention is to do something that clearly pays homage to Star Trek, that clearly was inspired a lot by Star Trek. Also, there is a lot going on in this trailer fro the next few episodes... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EVisPe0s2lg The Fuzzy Hulk fucked around with this message at 05:13 on Sep 13, 2017 |
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Sep 13, 2017 05:03
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Accretionist posted:It's averaging 4.2 on Amazon! Any idea when new episodes show up on Amazon streaming?
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Comrade Fakename posted:It's obvious that McFarlane wanted to make a Star Trek show. He couldn't get access to the license so he made his own, near identical show. I don't know, or care, about the legalities of the issue. But as others pointed out, it's not a parody. Tone already varies in Trek properties, but if you think that McFarlane woke up one day and had an idea for a sci-if show out of nothing and it's just a coincidence that it shares a concept, format, multiple character archetypes, and a near-identical aesthetic with Star Trek: The Next Generation, then I don't know what to tell you. Why does it matter? Fox's legal team isn't staffed by idiots. They wouldn't have allowed this show to be made if it were in any way illegal. So what if Set Macfarlane wanted to make his own TNG? Clearly people like it. I don't understand why the fact that is similar to Star Trek upsets you so much. Broadcast TV is already filled with the same show over and over again. Shlubby middle aged guy has attractive wife, what kind of wacky adventures will they get into? A bunch of friends live in apartments across the hall from each other, I wonder what kind of wacky adventures they will get into? Why are you choosing this hill to die on? You can't own a type of TV show, they are allowed to do this, and they should. If they can do Star Trek better than this new Star Trek, then they should.
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Some nerds had the same reaction to DS9. "They're ripping off Babylon 5! It's on a space station and has politics and even has a number in its name!! They should sue!!!" lol that's not how it works.
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The Fuzzy Hulk posted:Also, there is a lot going on in this trailer fro the next few episodes... That's so much better trailer than the earlier ones.
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Yeah sorry to break it to some of you but being a vaguely similar concept isn't enough for any meaningful infringement. The show totally apes from TNG but there is enough difference in the presentation that nothing is explicitly stolen. That stupid bit aside, I thought it was firmly okay. Tonally I was expecting it to be funnier, and I am not totally sure where it is going to land yet. Still, I am onboard for now, oddly enough less gritty scifi is kind of hard to find right now so this is a welcome change just to see something with a less dour tone.
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Cojawfee posted:Why does it matter? Fox's legal team isn't staffed by idiots. They wouldn't have allowed this show to be made if it were in any way illegal. So what if Set Macfarlane wanted to make his own TNG? Clearly people like it. I don't understand why the fact that is similar to Star Trek upsets you so much. Broadcast TV is already filled with the same show over and over again. Shlubby middle aged guy has attractive wife, what kind of wacky adventures will they get into? A bunch of friends live in apartments across the hall from each other, I wonder what kind of wacky adventures they will get into? Why are you choosing this hill to die on? You can't own a type of TV show, they are allowed to do this, and they should. If they can do Star Trek better than this new Star Trek, then they should. Literally in the piece you quoted, I said I didn't care about the legalities of the issue. So I have no idea why you're talking about Fox's lawyers. But putting aside the subjective question of the actual quality of the show (it's loving awful in every regard btw), I do think that if you've had the opportunity to make something new and fresh and instead wholesale copy from a show made 30 years ago, yeah, I think that's pretty creatively bankrupt. Not sure how it's the hill I've chosen to die on rather than just an opinion I have about a TV show I decided to share on a web forum. Also, while you really can't tell anything from trailers (from the trailers, I thought The Orville would be OK), from everything we've seen Star Trek: Discovery will almost certainly be better than this. If only because it's hard to see how it could possibly be worse.
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Sep 13, 2017 08:37
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But nobody will know because nobody subscribes to CBS' stupid streaming service.
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If it's loving awful in every regard how do you explain that I like the costumes huh buddy how'dya explain that?
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I love Star Trek and I loved this. I hoped for Galaxy Quest and that's exactly what it gave me. It was heartwarming to see something made with so much obvious love for Trek, which is more than we've seen from any recent or upcoming official Trek offerings. "Can I wear shorts to work?!??"
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Azhais posted:But nobody will know because nobody subscribes to CBS' stupid streaming service. Yeah, that will stop people in the internet age!
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Sep 13, 2017 09:22
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We get a TNG word count please? TNG. TNG.
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Polo-Rican posted:I'm not even anti-Orville — I thought it was "ok" — I'm just legit confused about how CBS isn't filing suit against FOX right now. Every design and situational element is ripped directly from star trek yet it's not a parody at all because not a single joke comes from riffing on the "star trekkyness" of it. Speaking as an IP attorney, I can see the fingers of Fox's/McFarlane's attorneys in the show. No one gets that close to the line without going over without counsel. The riskiest move is calling her a Selayan. (ETA: Didn't see that "we obviously have a big legal team" quote. I would love love love to see their notes.) Test Pattern fucked around with this message at 12:31 on Sep 13, 2017 |
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Does anyone know if there is a cheif engineer type character? Seems to be the one archetype really missing. I think I heard the Norm MacDonald blob guy might be the engineer? Also for all the comparisons to TNG the characters are much closer to the Voyager crew. Bortus so far is a lot more like Tuvok than Worf, and shares the same role as second officer. The robot is similar to 7 of 9 in it's superiority complex. The helmsman who is possibly the best pilot but kind of a gently caress up is a pretty apt description of Tom Paris. The security chief is actually the most original character I think. A cheif security officer who is perky, bubbly, and confident despite being very young, I can't really think of a character that fits that archetype. The closest would be Torres, who definitely isn't bubbly but is similarly energetic and confident, with super strength(though not to nearly the same degree). The ex-husband ex-wife somewgat antagonistic mom and dad of the ship of course could be analogue for Janeway and Chakotay. The black guy who seems nice but so far hasn't really done anything and I'm not sure exactly what his job is, Harry Kim. And like Voyager, The Orville is primarily an exploratory vessel. The doctor is really the only one that seems closer to a TNG character, some mix of Beverly, Pulaski, and a bit of Julian. One of the major problems with Voyager, though, whose cast of characters sound interesting on paper, is they were directed to be as uninteresting and unemotional as possible because the producers thought this would make the aliens stand out more as aliens. The Orville seems quite the opposite, with characters being a bit over the top and more emotional than you would expect for a professional starship. So yes, what I'm saying is this is not a TNG rip-off, it's a new Voyager but with characters who emote and have conflicts.
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"Aren't your species incredibly racist?" That's a really natural thing to say and a subtle way of introducing a character trait
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Al Borland Corp. posted:Does anyone know if there is a cheif engineer type character? Seems to be the one archetype really missing. I think I heard the Norm MacDonald blob guy might be the engineer? I think the robot was the head of science and engineering.
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vermin posted:"Aren't your species incredibly racist?" I wish everybody asked that of every Vulcan in every Trek episode ever
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Macdeo Lurjtux posted:I think the robot was the head of science and engineering. I think he's just science officer.
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One of the things I liked is that there seem to be more actual non-humanoid aliens. For instance norm blob and the head of biology
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I'm kind of surprised critics seem to have hated it so much, since it seems basically fine but not actually good to me. One thing I think they're right about is when they say the show's being sold as a parody when it's really a sincere take on Star Trek but with jokes, and that can be tonally awkward, but I still thought it was funny so whatever. Wikipedia says production wrapped, so I guess that means we're getting a full season one way or another? Did anyone else think it looked super cheap? I imagine it was actually a pretty expensive show to make, but I thought a lot of the visuals were kind of lovely. Maybe it's that HD is just unkind to this kind of show, or just that a tv show with a decent budget doesn't measure up to blockbuster movie (obviously), which is the only way we've seen Star Trek in recent years, but something just felt off to me.
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Baronjutter posted:Some nerds had the same reaction to DS9. "They're ripping off Babylon 5! It's on a space station and has politics and even has a number in its name!! They should sue!!!" lol that's not how it works. Well it's not entire unfounded claim even if some people are stretching it a bit.
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