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Surgeon General posted:Use of this product has been shown to cause headaches, muscle spasms, vertigo, visual and auditory hallucinations, incontinence, nausea, dementia, heart failure, and in rare cases demonic possession.
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I'll just stick to edibles. 
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- Stop Autoshades from doing any breaking and entry, rather try to get in contact with the Facility AI again - Use our explorers behind our own jump point only, politely ask earth if they are willing to send out a single UT scout vessel that can scout out the remaining possible jump points in Sol, our part in this mission will be to provide tanker support and a small escort, say 2DD/FRs? - Given the breakneck speed things are developing, at what time should we contact UT asking them if their crews also experience strange phenomenon after jumping through a Jump point or if our tech was faulty? I d say we give it another 6 months to a year? Hessi fucked around with this message at 02:10 on Sep 14, 2017 |
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Sep 14, 2017 02:04
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Honestly not any worse than many pharmaceuticals
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Hessi posted:- Stop Autoshades from doing any breaking and entry, rather try to get in contact with the Facility AI again Do you really think they would allow their one vessel to be escorted solely by us? Allow them to match the military vessels and just provide one DD/FR.
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Saros posted:You had a crew experience a psychological event after multiple jumps in quick succession which coincided with a physical failure of the jump drive. Right now commands priority is to recall them to figure out wtf. I would strongly recommend quarantining anybody who undergoes a jump pending, at the least, psychological evaluation and ideally until we can figure out what the gently caress is causing the effects we observed. They can work on their ships but when they are on shore leave they should be kept under observation and be given their own, isolated facility. It can be a nice facility but until we know what is going on we should be treating jumping as highly dangerous and potentially cognitohazardous.
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OwlFancier posted:I would strongly recommend quarantining anybody who undergoes a jump pending, at the least, psychological evaluation and ideally until we can figure out what the gently caress is causing the effects we observed. Definitely quarnatine this first group of guys that all got mind raped and don't let them set foot on any kind of population center that we can't afford to nuke out of existence. Put them on a space station for observation or something.
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To be more coherent I would suggest that we establish an interstellar exploration corps, all personnel who will be undergoing jump travel must be incorporated into this organization, all members of the organization will be briefed on our best understanding of the effects of undergoing jump travel and will understand that they can and will be confined indefinitely if they start to exhibit signs of psychological deterioration as a result of the effects of jump travel. It should have a well funded psychology and biology staff whose job is a: under no circumstances undergo jump travel themselves and b: to study the effects of jump travel on those who do. Personnel who have undergone jump travel can not be permitted to rejoin the general population of humanity until further notice, this may change as we learn more about it, or it may be vindicated, but as it stands we have no idea what this technology does to people. For all we know it could be giving us all space ebola. Things like taking samples from everyone on the crew before they go on their first trip and after subsequent trips to track potential genetic or other damage or possible bacterial/viral/parasitic infection. As well as tracking psychological effects and long term psychological drift as a result of exposure, also look for common elements in the experiences of crew members and try to plot them, and determine the reason for those experiences. Basically we know there's some kind of horrible alien poo poo out there that already destroyed a way more advanced civilization than ours, we don't know how they went about jump travel or anything about their biology/psychology so while it might have been safe for them it might not be for us. And we don't even know if it was safe for them in the long run. As we have no way of stopping UT from using jump travel it falls upon us to treat jump travel as a hostile, yet necessary phenomenon. We need to understand how it works, what it's doing to us, and anticipate what it might be doing to the Terrans. As well as figuring out if it's going to attract anything that's going to gently caress us all up. I don't want this to end up going the way of the discovery of radioactivity because the dangers could be existential rather than merely tragic/hilarious in hindsight. OwlFancier fucked around with this message at 03:41 on Sep 14, 2017 |
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That sounds like a great way to piledrive morale straight through the floor and ensure that the only people who apply to join the Jump Corps are suicidal cases who feel they have nothing left to lose. I think people are really overreacting to this, jumping just statics up your wiring a bit and makes you feel funny. Institute a cooling-off period between all jumps so that the fuckiness can get all flushed out while the crew's neurotransmitters re-balance or whatever, and move on. Crazycryodude fucked around with this message at 03:47 on Sep 14, 2017 |
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Crazycryodude posted:That sounds like a great way to piledrive morale straight through the floor and ensure that the only people who apply to join the Jump Corps are suicidal cases who feel they have nothing left to lose. That might be accurate for all we know. But I'm sure you can find some patriotic volunteers, we don't need a vast crew as I certainly loving hope we aren't planning on opening up civilian travel until we know what's going on, and I don't think we need to deploy the fleet on the other side, and in the event we do, everything we've seen so far suggests we would be woefully outmatched and that doing so would be ruinous. Each of the tangaroas needs 84 crew so if we can't find 350 people on mars willing to risk their lives for the good of humanity I think we've got more problems. As I said we can review the quarantine policy at a later date if necessity requires it, but at this point we don't have any idea what it's going to do to us and maybe we should at least ask that question before rubbing our faces all over the jump drive. OwlFancier fucked around with this message at 03:52 on Sep 14, 2017 |
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Crazycryodude posted:That sounds like a great way to piledrive morale straight through the floor and ensure that the only people who apply to join the Jump Corps are suicidal cases who feel they have nothing left to lose. There's no real reason to not at the very least quarantine THIS group for a bit. It's no more of a morale hit than depressurizing when you come up from deep sea diving.
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Zaodai posted:There's no real reason to not at the very least quarantine THIS group for a bit. It's no more of a morale hit than depressurizing when you come up from deep sea diving. Oh, yeah, that's fine, and even expected. But the whole "IF YOU SO MUCH AS LOOK AT A JUMP DRIVE YOU CAN NEVER REJOIN SOCIETY AND BECOME A HUMAN GUINEA PIG WITH NO RIGHTS" poo poo is way over the top.
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Don't blame me when the MSS Event Horizon reappears 10 feet above the martian capital filled with genestealers then 
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OwlFancier posted:Don't blame me when the MSS Event Horizon reappears 10 feet above the martian capital filled with genestealers then Genestealers and all other drones of hiveminds are the oppressed proletariat and we should be honored to have the chance to help them gain praxis.
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Again, we did the first jumps with a barely functional drive strapped to a ship that was never even designed to hold it in the first place. We really do not know what the usual results of a jump are, and given the circumstances this is likely an anomaly resulting from highly specific conditions. So let's not jump the gun on anything until we have better evidence, mmkay? But still quarantine the dudes, that's definitely a smart move.
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Cobbled together with duranium baling wire engine giving out != lovely UK sci-fi game from the 80s edgy-ness. poo poo happened and an entire crew had a psychological episode. What we might want to do is have the survey vessels find the other jump points while we figure out if the jump happy crew are fine though. Let's also build a gate on our point after stationing a small picket. We might also want to have Autoshades and the rest of the Toy Breakers hold off on breaking anything else while the coke bottle glasses boys are poking and prodding stuff on Pluto.
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Reminder Space Communism is bad. Support Space Democracy today
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Gridlocked posted:Reminder Space Communism is bad. Support Space Democracy today Communism doesn't mean the system is undemocratic you nerd.
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Event Horizon was an instruction manual, not a warning E: Also, what mcclay said. Crazycryodude fucked around with this message at 04:14 on Sep 14, 2017 |
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Crazycryodude posted:That sounds like a great way to piledrive morale straight through the floor and ensure that the only people who apply to join the Jump Corps are suicidal cases who feel they have nothing left to lose. It's hardly any different from HAZMAT workers who handle radioactive poo poo or lab technicians working with contagious pathogens. They need training, whatever safety measures are determined necessary, and health treatment for any potential deleterious effects of what they're dealing with. Which means someone needs to figure out what they're dealing with, how it affects people, and how to determine the risks and reduce the potential for harm. Since the known hazards are psychological/neurological that means someone gets to be the test subject for human experiments, with informed consent, just like any medical science. And guess what, there are a few dozen test subjects waiting to be examined. So maybe a little bit of internal propaganda is in order, Praise the heroes who are dedicating their lives for the safety and betterment of the Martian people. Which is exactly what they were already doing. And everyone in the interstellar corps gets a little extra R&R while the eggheads do their 'science' thing. Also they get cooler hats and a medal for signing up. And an extra ration of space whiskey when they're off-duty. Morale problem solved.
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We should handle Jump Syndrome the same way the NFL handles head trauma: deny its existence for an unconscionably long time, long after it's become obvious to everyone else that it's a major problem.
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silentsnack posted:The military has been sending people to their deaths for thousands of years, so somehow somehow this shipload of sailors didn't get the discipline and "you will go out there and you will loving die if you orders say so" indoctrination that every soldier has gotten for as long as humans have been killing one another for someone else's benefit? We need to ship literally millions of civilians through that jump point.
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While I'm happy to lead our suicide squad of space explores, I WOULD appreciate if my name were spelled right.
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silentsnack posted:The military has been sending people to their deaths for thousands of years, so somehow somehow this shipload of sailors didn't get the discipline and "you will go out there and you will loving die if you orders say so" indoctrination that every soldier has gotten for as long as humans have been killing one another for someone else's benefit? Yeah I mean I was advocating for the interstellar shore leave facility to be nice, it just needs to be staffed with a lot of doctors so we can make sure they aren't hosed up by the jump process. At the very least I don't think we want people to end up with late stage jump cancer from the warp radiation because we weren't paying attention. mossyfisk posted:We need to ship literally millions of civilians through that jump point. Not until we know what it does to the human body we don't! And even less so until we know what the hell is on the giant alien technoplanet and that it isn't gonna send out murderbots if it detects a thermal signature in the system.
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mossyfisk posted:We need to ship literally millions of civilians through that jump point. That would be in cryostasis. People, how many times do I have to say this: we need more empirically gathered information to determine a proper course of action. Right now we're panicking over the results of one set of multiple jumps in a very short timespan, and that's not exactly normal conditions in the slightest. While I can definitely understand that this is a serious issue with drastic implications for our future as a species, we need to remain calm and figure things out in a rational and empirical matter instead of blindly assuming that every single jump will end up like Veloxyll Jr.s last one.
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Maybe we should just send frozen embryos and some robots to raise them to adulthood. I'm sure being raised by machines amongst the ruins of a dead alien civilization will yield a fine generation of Martians.
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Volmariad's clone stole my drat ship! 
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Clearly we've got to dissect the crew to see what went wrong
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No breaking & entering regarding Facility Survey remaining potential Sol JPs ourselves Doing a smash & grab on Facility is a bit of a judgement call. If we want to hedge bets then get more forces on site first. Not being involved in a Sol grav survey seems silly, as we would always have a question mark on the validity of the information. Plus we'll need grav scouts of our own anyway to survey our new system Speaking of which are we renaming our new system?
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Dr. Snark posted:That would be in cryostasis. Yup. Pretty sure the rapidity of Veloxyl's jumps had something to do with it. This didn't happen the first couple times, after all. We need to play around with it and figure out the limitations.
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It could also be the fact that they were exposed to successive jumps full stop, and that each time you jump it scrambles your brain irreparably. Maybe we should study that before we send millions of people through it!
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As a wise man once said: "What actually transpires beneath the veil of an event horizon? Decent people shouldn't think too much about that." Just send more, I'm sure it's fiiiiiine.
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Well, I'm suddenly glad I lost my dibs on the first Exploration vessel. Although you can count me amongst the "Suicidal Volunteers/Transfers for the Jump Corps" still.
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I think we should just slowboat to alpha centauri guys.
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mcclay posted:Communism doesn't mean the system is undemocratic you nerd. Crazycryodude posted:Event Horizon was an instruction manual, not a warning Space Communists Detected
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If anything, Martians are better described as anti-capitalist than communist. The Federation consists of many disparate communities whose main commonality seems to be a commitment to democracy and rejection of capitalism.
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OwlFancier posted:It could also be the fact that they were exposed to successive jumps full stop, and that each time you jump it scrambles your brain irreparably. Good idea, thanks for being the volunteer to test it out!
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Here's an idea that might be a little late. Quarantine the entire Tangaroa.
If, during this entire process, we find something that is an imminent threat to humanity, we should seriously consider alerting UT via whoever was on the other end of that one-time-pad thingie we got at the armistice agreement. Frankly, the safest thing to do would be to violently disassemble the ship with all crew aboard via nuclear missile, but someone would likely detect that and ask what was up. Inglonias fucked around with this message at 14:04 on Sep 14, 2017 |
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Also even if you don't do the quarantine for jumping itself you had drat well better be quarantining anybody who sets foot on an alien planet because you should all know enough history to be aware of the effects of hitherto unencountered diseases on human populations... I appreciate that it might not be a problem for anywhere except Europa in the solar system but it's absolutely a problem for any alien worlds, especially earthlike ones and double especially any that show signs of previous habitation. If a planet is suitable for terrestrial life, then terrestrial life is probably suitable for the planet and its micro-organisms. Space is horrible and is out to gently caress you.
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I think that the jump corps should be quarantined from the paranoia brainstorming sessions. In totally unrelated news, I'd like to tender my request for transfer into the jump corps.
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