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Diabetic posted:Cassidy and Jesse's relationship at the end Cassidy and Jesse's "relationship" I felt has always been the weakest part of the show. I roll my eyes whenever he goes on about how they're best mates. Cassidy literally met them what, a few weeks ago? He moved into Jesse's house/church without permission when Jesse was incapacitated, and has just kinda been hanging around since. Everyone just accepts him like they've known him their whole lives.
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nooneofconsequence posted:I thought those were Tulip's panties. Me too but that moment makes a LOT more sense now
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I feel like that story needed maybe like a whole episode devoted to it right out in the open, otherwise it's just a nod and a wink to comic readers and probably incomprehensible to newcomers; but then I know the comics and it was totally opaque to me so who the hell knows. I do find the dumbest things to get confused by
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Data Graham posted:Oh is that what the lingerie was about. I thought it was a "my 80-year-old vampire son is wearing frilly underwear, that's a bridge too far" thing, which was also  WTF!? Now I really want that to be the reason!
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Sep 14, 2017 00:00
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why on earth would Cassidy, of all people, be against wearing frilly underwear? as if cassidy's never worn something silk and sheer in his many decades as a creature of the night
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Sep 14, 2017 00:06
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There really was too much left up to implication in the Dennis storyline. Like if they had just shown him actually kill someone or if he ate that dog it would've seemed like less of a last minute decision by Cassidy. It was pretty obvious Dennis wasn't going with them from the start but the build up wasn't very satisfying.
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Sep 14, 2017 00:16
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I mean especially because the climax of the analogous story in the comics is so drat visually iconic and dramatically cathartic. This is more like "uhhh... okay?"
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Hallucinogenic Toreador posted:My season 3 prediction is that Starr makes Hitler the new Messiah. He has the oratory down, miracles can be faked and if you shave off the moustache it's not like anyone's going to recognise him. My guess was that Hitler would rise to power as a challenge to the Messiah and Jesse both, but we'll see. Could go both ways.
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Data Graham posted:I must be really dense or missed an episode or something because it's not at all clear to me why Cassidy killed Denis. Medullah posted:I think based on the bloodstains that he saw and the various pieces of clothing that didn't belong to him, Cassidy pretty much had to accept that Denis was murdering women. That's part of it, but it seemed to me to be very deliberate that we saw Cassidy dreaming about Tulip wanting to gently caress him right before he did it, and having Dennis interrupt the two of them. Note that it wasn't a dream of Cassidy saying "lets do it" and Tulip going "hmmmm okay" It was explicitly a dream where Tulip comes on to Cassidy and Cassidy is like "I dunno" and she pushes him into it. That's very telling. He wants her but he won't let himself have her, but he wishes she'd make the decision anyways so its not his fault. I've been saying all along that Jesse and Tulip are awful people and Cassidy is just the nicest vampire ever and doesn't belong with them. The show writers finally realized that and fixed it. Cassidy isn't a good person either. He wanted to be good to Tulip and Jesse, and he's trying to resist his own urges, but deep deep down he's lying to himself and he really does want Tulip. Being surrounded by Dennis giving in to his impulses made him jealous and angry and also realize that Dennis was going to keep him from what he wanted, and so he killed Dennis out of frustration, more with himself than Dennis. Data Graham posted:I mean especially because the climax of the analogous story in the comics is so drat visually iconic and dramatically cathartic. This is more like "uhhh... okay?" I was even in shock. And not shock like game of thrones "oh no!", but more like "wait...what...WHAT? WHY?" It wasn't really well done. They rushed it. Zaphod42 fucked around with this message at 00:36 on Sep 14, 2017 |
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Sep 14, 2017 00:33
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Zaphod42 posted:My guess was that Hitler would rise to power as a challenge to the Messiah and Jesse both, but we'll see. Could go both ways. I predict he will either work in a Holocaust Memorial Museum or play himself in documentary movies about WW2.
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Sep 14, 2017 00:37
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It seems like Tulip's role was to slow the narrative then die. Cass/Dennis could've used that time. Tulip only needed to maintain presence, react to boredom/wanderlust and then die. That's doable with a few minutes per episode. Cass/Dennis should've had a palpable ratcheting up of tensions.
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Sep 14, 2017 00:42
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What was the version of the Denis* story in the comics? Clearly I need to reread them. *subtitles have been spelling it like this the whole season but I wouldn't expect anyone to know that given the pronunciation
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Escobarbarian posted:What was the version of the Denis* story in the comics? Clearly I need to reread them.
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Though if what you're asking is what went on in the Enfants du Sang story in the comic,    
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Can someone please spoil that huge catharsis ending for the rest of us that we were cheaped out on? Thanks Unless it's just the panels above this post, in which case lol E: Dude was apparently in 2 issues total, so I don't know about "rushing" it Firstborn fucked around with this message at 02:47 on Sep 14, 2017 |
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Data Graham posted:I must be really dense or missed an episode or something because it's not at all clear to me why Cassidy killed Denis. Son-nuke.
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Firstborn posted:Can someone please spoil that huge catharsis ending for the rest of us that we were cheaped out on? Thanks That whole scene is like six pages but I don't wanna be all  so
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Diabetic posted:I predict he will either work in a Holocaust Memorial Museum or play himself in documentary movies about WW2. It'll be like that LF thread about the camaraderie of hitlers at hitler auditions except he doesn't make the cut a la Charlie Chaplin in his lookalike contest. Instead he goes on to become a Charlie Chaplin impersonator.
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Data Graham posted:That whole scene is like six pages but I don't wanna be all Yeah I meant just describe it. Not pirate it.
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Milo and POTUS posted:It'll be like that LF thread about the camaraderie of hitlers at hitler auditions except he doesn't make the cut a la Charlie Chaplin in his lookalike contest. Instead he goes on to become a Charlie Chaplin impersonator. That's pretty brilliant, but I wonder if people will catch the reference?
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Zaphod42 posted:That's part of it, but it seemed to me to be very deliberate that we saw Cassidy dreaming about Tulip wanting to gently caress him right before he did it, and having Dennis interrupt the two of them. Zaphod42 posted:I've been saying all along that Jesse and Tulip are awful people and Cassidy is just the nicest vampire ever and doesn't belong with them. The show writers finally realized that and fixed it. Cassidy isn't a good person either. He wanted to be good to Tulip and Jesse, and he's trying to resist his own urges, but deep deep down he's lying to himself and he really does want Tulip. I agree that it felt a little rushed, but as a non-comic book reader the eventual outcome was still pretty obvious and I was pretty relieved they didn't drag that poo poo out getting there.
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I am impressed that they've gone two full seasons without showing Cassidy's turning. I like that they just let the supernatural elements of the show just sit & exist.
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el oso posted:I am impressed that they've gone two full seasons without showing Cassidy's turning. I like that they just let the supernatural elements of the show just sit & exist. It's actually a really great standalone story in the comic 
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The Duke posted:There really was too much left up to implication in the Dennis storyline. Like if they had just shown him actually kill someone or if he ate that dog it would've seemed like less of a last minute decision by Cassidy. It was pretty obvious Dennis wasn't going with them from the start but the build up wasn't very satisfying. True, but we also saw the fallout of a lot of it, too. Like when he took a chunk out of that girl at the arcade, or when he came back to the apartment covered in blood. Actually, was that the bloodstained shirt Cass was holding? It may have been. Also, Dennis wasn't the one keeping the dog in the drawer. Cassidy was to keep Dennis from eating it the same way he ate the cat in the first episode this season. Dennis was gradually getting worse, even if he had a cheery demeanor. Cass was trying to protect the poor dog. Seeing the, I guess, snuff porn site was pretty much the last straw.
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It is - just interesting that they've managed to restrain telling Cass' origin story for so long, considering how many other shows would ensure they tick that box relatively early for a major character.
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Fair enough. Still think Hitler should be a Chaplain impersonator. You either die a great dictator or you live long enough to see yourself become the great dictator.
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el oso posted:It is - just interesting that they've managed to restrain telling Cass' origin story for so long, considering how many other shows would ensure they tick that box relatively early for a major character.
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Yeah, I get the feeling they're trying to set up a lot of stuff in hopes they eventually get the money to do it all. Would be a huge bummer if the show got cancelled before that, though. Cassidy comic spoilers, sorta I bet Denis ultimately will be the one who set up Les Enfants Du Sang and it turns out Denis spoke very highly of Cassidy or something, also I look forward to the Anne Rice teardown, hopefully redressed in Twilight fashion. That and "where's your accent now you wanker!" Hell, they're probably pitching a Cassidy origins spinoff or at least a solo season/half season of that right now. Would that work as in more money? I gotta say I was skeptical at first but now I absolutely love what they're doing with the source material. I laughed my rear end off at Sharon. Really caught me off guard.
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I'm kind of getting the opposite expression: that they're throwing as many iconic Preacher moments at the wall as they can, or moments that are reasonably close, in whatever context they can justify, cause the specter of cancellation is permanently looming.
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My Lovely Horse posted:I'm kind of getting the opposite expression: that they're throwing as many iconic Preacher moments at the wall as they can, or moments that are reasonably close, in whatever context they can justify, cause the specter of cancellation is permanently looming. This Starr and the male hookers was another good example. Sure it's funny in the show, but it kinda comes out of nowhere, no lead-up, no weight given to it. It's just a fairly absurd circumstance in which for him to be scheming about Jesse. Whereas in the comic it comes after a lot more setup of Hoover as a character who's spent his whole career (that we see) desperately trying to not gently caress up something Starr orders him to do, his disastrous encounter with Jesse that leaves him emaciated and not giving a gently caress anymore, and Starr slowly losing body parts and bits of his dignity to his dogged pursuit of Jesse, to the point where it's like the point where his mind finally snaps beyond breaking point. I might have my timeline screwed up but that's the impression it always left me with, and the treatment here felt perfunctory, like Preacher's Greatest Hits. I don't wanna just gratuitously compare the two, that gets tiresome in a hurry. But the "imminent cancellation" thing does sure seem like it has an effect on the storytelling. Data Graham fucked around with this message at 11:36 on Sep 14, 2017 |
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The Duke posted:There really was too much left up to implication in the Dennis storyline. Like if they had just shown him actually kill someone or if he ate that dog it would've seemed like less of a last minute decision by Cassidy. It was pretty obvious Dennis wasn't going with them from the start but the build up wasn't very satisfying. Zaphod42 posted:They rushed it. Zwille posted:I laughed my rear end off at Sharon. Really caught me off guard.
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He was killing people.
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Tiggum posted:Who's Sharon?
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kinda sad charon was a one episode wonder. he seemed like a likable guy.
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Second season was better than the first, but only because it didn't try to use too many comic elements. Pretty much every time they try to do something from the books it ends up terrible unless they go a different direction. Starr so far seems to be the exception to that rule. I'm really not looking forward to the Angelville arc. 80% of that story arc in the comics was learning about Jesse's life as a kid, and we already know that's all sorts of changed (Dad was a preacher, lived in Anneville, etc). Though the ending of Starr "GOT YO SOUL! NEENER NEENER" will explain (minor comic spoiler)Why Jesse can't use the Word on his family a lot better than "GOD DID IT!"
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shades of eternity posted:kinda sad charon was a one episode wonder. "Oh, that? I don't know what that thing is" was fuckin great
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Medullah posted:Second season was better than the first
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Data Graham posted:"Oh, that? I don't know what that thing is" was fuckin great Little moments like that make this show more enjoyable.
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At least the confusion from last week was solved; Hoover did remove the bit of Jesse's soul from the Saint of Killers
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I'd have chilled with Charon. He seemed like a fun guy, even if he is all spooky. Need to go back to re-watch but did the warden cap him with one of the Saint's guns? (if so RIP cool ferryman dude.)
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