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Cojawfee posted:What? Why? What if you've been using the sprayer and then need to use the spare tire? The sprayer doesn't use much air. You were expected to check the tire pressure regularly. Old VWs had no fuel gauges, either. They had an emergency tank to get you to a gas station when the main one ran out. There was a switch on the floor you could kick to change tanks. Again, you were expected to keep track of how many miles you'd driven and have an idea of how much gas you had left. Old cars had a lot of stuff like that because they were cheap and electromechanical stuff was unreliable unless you spent a lot of money.
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Tell him about the crotch cooler! And the spark plug tire inflator!
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Deteriorata posted:The sprayer doesn't use much air. You were expected to check the tire pressure regularly. If you checked the spare tire pressure whenever filling washer fluid you're good, and I think it also came with a manual pump to fill things up if needed. Also many people overinflated the spare to get a stronger spray. Deteriorata posted:Old VWs had no fuel gauges, either. They had an emergency tank to get you to a gas station when the main one ran out. There was a switch on the floor you could kick to change tanks. Again, you were expected to keep track of how many miles you'd driven and have an idea of how much gas you had left. It wasn't a separate tank, but rather a little bowl inside the tank that you would tip over by turning a handle, to pour the reserve out where it could be used.
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Sep 17, 2017 02:16
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ionn posted:If you checked the spare tire pressure whenever filling washer fluid you're good, and I think it also came with a manual pump to fill things up if needed. Also many people overinflated the spare to get a stronger spray. I know about the foot switch thing because my parents had a Beetle when I was little. One time my Dad accidentally kicked the switch and as a result ran out of gas completely on a trip to my grandparents' house. My mother hasn't let him forget it nearly 60 years later.
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I think the windshield washer system had a pressure regulator that was supposed to keep the pressure reaching the sprayers consistent and would stop leaching off the spare tire after it reached a minimum pressure. The Beetles made in the 80s and 90s for Mexico and Brazil eventually got an electric pump.
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Sep 17, 2017 03:33
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Deteriorata posted:Old cars had a lot of stuff like that because they were cheap and electromechanical stuff was unreliable unless you spent a lot of money. My go-to example for this is the "fuel gauge" on the Lightburn Zeta, c. 1963. Wikipedia posted:Fuel was delivered by gravity feed from a tank behind the dashboard. The fuel gauge was a plastic pipe running from the top to the bottom of the tank with a graduated glass tube section on the dashboard. As a Wheels road test in 1974 put it: "it read anywhere from full to empty depending on gradient, throttle and probably Greenwich mean time".
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ionn posted:It wasn't a separate tank, but rather a little bowl inside the tank that you would tip over by turning a handle, to pour the reserve out where it could be used. I love this concept so much. So much.
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Sep 17, 2017 19:53
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Also, on the beetles, IIRC, the fuel gauge was a rod with markings on it that sat in a holder in the frunk. You then dipped it into the tank, took it back out, and did a reading.
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Sep 17, 2017 20:11
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What the gently caress? Was that like the first beetle ever? Because even 50s ones had a fuel gauge.
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Metal Geir Skogul posted:What the gently caress? Was that like the first beetle ever? Because even 50s ones had a fuel gauge. My Dad's was a '57 and had no gauge. It may have been available as an option, though, I don't know. Edit: per Wikipedia quote:For 1962, the Beetle received a mechanical fuel level gauge in place of the former fuel tap. The Standard model continued without a gas gauge until the end of the 1965 model year. Deteriorata fucked around with this message at 20:33 on Sep 17, 2017 |
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Sep 17, 2017 20:28
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When Beetles got fuel gauges they had an R instead of an E. I'm not sure if that's a nod to the reserve lever of just a German thing. Until 1968 it was a mechanical sender, causing the gauge to move with hills and acceleration. But because of how disturbingly close the dashboard was to the fuel tank the cable was only a couple feet long.
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The Twinkie Czar posted:When Beetles got fuel gauges they had an R instead of an E. I'm not sure if that's a nod to the reserve lever of just a German thing. Until 1968 it was a mechanical sender, causing the gauge to move with hills and acceleration. But because of how disturbingly close the dashboard was to the fuel tank the cable was only a couple feet long. The belt tension pic reminds me of the obligatory 30 sec bug belt change video https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BQhfcdQf1QA
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Sep 17, 2017 23:00
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Ah, I had the year wrong. Good to know. And yeah, it was reserve. The fuel gauge on my bus went to "R" about 3 gallons from dry. I'm convinced it's because they wanted to use a shorter, cheaper sender arm that simply wouldn't reach the bottom.
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Sep 17, 2017 23:04
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Metal Geir Skogul posted:Ah, I had the year wrong. Good to know. Thats probably true because the porsche units fit the same hole and thats a tube style instead of an arm. Much easier to rebuild and more stable but at the time maybe it cost more because they use a lot of metal and are way overbuilt. Now i think its roughly the same replacement cost but it probably wasnt then. E: eh looked it up the 356 used the arm, the tube came out in the 70's. A testament to how well the tube worked they used the same unit till 95. DogonCrook fucked around with this message at 23:22 on Sep 17, 2017 |
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Sep 17, 2017 23:17
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Metal Geir Skogul posted:What the gently caress? Was that like the first beetle ever? Because even 50s ones had a fuel gauge. Yeah, pre-62 there was no fuel gauge. Here's a guy selling the measurement stick: https://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=1890438
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Sep 18, 2017 08:06
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$70 for an engraved stick.
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Sep 18, 2017 08:21
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Is it meant to be engraved aluminium? Or pressed steel?
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cakesmith handyman posted:$70 for an engraved stick. This is about median price since BMW did a short production run a couple years ago but the new one's don't fit as well and are thinner metal. Some people have found special sockets that fit but since the plug is so far down and there's so little clearance there's only a couple that fit.
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Metal Geir Skogul posted:Ah, I had the year wrong. Good to know. They want people to freak out and run to the gas station instead of running the pump dry and damaging it. You can go a long way even on a modern car with the tank at "E".
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Sep 18, 2017 14:28
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Well, depends on the car. The first day I had my Blazer I found out the hard way that the engine shuts off as soon as that needle touches the "E" line.
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Sep 18, 2017 14:36
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Basic math works, look up the capacity of your vehicle's fuel tank. Take note of how much you put in when near empty. A little subtraction and you know how much gas you have left at that point on the dial! Though obviously you need more than one day with the vehicle to determine this.  My prius starts nagging when it has a gallon of gas left. Which seems like a little premature but whatever.
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Memento posted:Fuel was delivered by gravity feed from a tank behind the dashboard. The fuel gauge was a plastic pipe running from the top to the bottom of the tank with a graduated glass tube section on the dashboard. As a Wheels road test in 1974 put it: "it read anywhere from full to empty depending on gradient, throttle and probably Greenwich mean time". Anymore now I only put in $10 a week into my Impala and that gets the needle back to 3/8 to a 1/2 just depending on how low it was when I filled up and the current price of gas. I think I spend most of my time with the needle on the 1/8 tank line but it still scares me, I just can never fully trust a fuel gauge again after the Firebird experience.
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xzzy posted:My prius starts nagging when it has a gallon of gas left. Which seems like a little premature but whatever. One gallon is pretty standard. The Priusv makes its first and only nag at 8 miles to empty based on current consumption. It's a bit of a lie since we ran it uphill at "---" miles to empty for at least a mile, but most idiot lights I have experience with come on at 30 miles to empty or one gallon. This was neither.
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H110Hawk posted:One gallon is pretty standard. The Priusv makes its first and only nag at 8 miles to empty based on current consumption. It's a bit of a lie since we ran it uphill at "---" miles to empty for at least a mile, but most idiot lights I have experience with come on at 30 miles to empty or one gallon. This was neither. That's because the cruising range estimate hits 0 when you have a gallon of gas left.
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Sep 18, 2017 16:11
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OTOH, I have an expedition that turns on the low fuel light with 5 gallons left in the tank.
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Crotch Fruit posted:Trigger warning that, as a former 4th gen Firebird owner that brought back memories of it's terrible gas gauge, a fault caused by the tank having a sloped bottom. Lol, for lovely fuel level senders look no further than GM. My god you turn a corner and it would go from full zero to full.
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SlapActionJackson posted:OTOH, I have an expedition that turns on the low fuel light with 5 gallons left in the tank. As a fellow expedition owner, that is a good thing because you really do need to get gas at that point. The only time I was really really stressed for gas was in my Expedition. I'm the type that knows "yeah, I got so much right now in the tank, gas station nearby, etc." no big deal. Drives my wife nuts because she has the opposite mentality. Anyways, road trip, unfamiliar territory, construction, just standing still in traffic with no shoulder or wherever to pullover in a 5 mile traffic jam in case I ran out of gas while the needle is pointing at E was not fun.
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Colostomy Bag posted:Lol, for lovely fuel level senders look no further than GM. My god you turn a corner and it would go from full zero to full. Yep, the low fuel warning light on mine is supposed to come on with 2-3 gallons left, but if I'm anywhere under a quarter and go up a steep hill, it beeps at me. And it's the same beep as, "your engine is about to grenade," so it's not a great experience.
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xzzy posted:That's because the cruising range estimate hits 0 when you have a gallon of gas left. Well then, that's way better than what the dash was telling us. The light came on basically as we passed the last gas before going through the pass from the 10 freeway to Joshua Tree. Content, only 646 units affected at the time of the recall, but those airbag replacements are the gift that keeps on NHTSA posted:NHTSA Recall ID Number : 17V545
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Memento posted:My go-to example for this is the "fuel gauge" on the Lightburn Zeta, c. 1963. That's more of a sight glass than a gage. Also that's the same way you checked water level in a steam locomotive boiler. Except if you ran low on water instead of stopping you blew up.
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Deteriorata posted:Old VWs had no fuel gauges, either. They had an emergency tank to get you to a gas station when the main one ran out. There was a switch on the floor you could kick to change tanks. Again, you were expected to keep track of how many miles you'd driven and have an idea of how much gas you had left. This really isn't that crazy if you regularly ride a motorcycle, though. You just got to remember to check the trip odometer and reset it every fill-up.
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xergm posted:This really isn't that crazy if you regularly ride a motorcycle, though. You just got to remember to check the trip odometer and reset it every fill-up. And learn how to turn the fuel tap to reserve midway through a dangerous overtake that is suddenly without power.
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spog posted:And learn how to turn the fuel tap to reserve midway through a dangerous overtake that is suddenly without power. QFT.
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Disgruntled Bovine posted:That's more of a sight glass than a gage. Also that's the same way you checked water level in a steam locomotive boiler. Except if you ran low on water instead of stopping you blew up. Well, it was graduated, so it at least had pretentions to being a real gauge.
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spog posted:And learn how to turn the fuel tap to reserve midway through a dangerous overtake that is suddenly without power.
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From a page back or two, but seeing the stock headers of a modern Porsche is quite depressing. I mean, at least the french try. This is how the stock exhaust manifold looks on a Peugeot 306 GTi6. Fake edit: It's not a mechanical failure, btw. XU10J4RS, 2 liter NA 170hp.
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1) It's not a mechanical failure yet. 2) "Oh poo poo, this gearbox is too big, reduce the steering lock in one direction to clear it"
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Dave Inc. posted:They want people to freak out and run to the gas station instead of running the pump dry and damaging it. You can go a long way even on a modern car with the tank at "E". My mazda 626 would do at least 40 or 50 miles on empty with the warning lights. My a4, when the estimated range left is zero... it isnt loving around. Zero miles were indeed left.
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Colostomy Bag posted:Lol, for lovely fuel level senders look no further than GM. My god you turn a corner and it would go from full zero to full. The worst were the Blazers in the 90s that had the anti-slosh module that always either hosed up or came slightly unplugged. I fixed so many of those in a year of working on car electronics. We used to stock both those and ignitions because GM is a terrible, terrible company.
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InitialDave posted:1) It's not a mechanical failure yet. If it was anything other than a Peugeot I would say #2 would have to be total bollocks, but I know better than that...
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