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Putting the TIM on the CPU before it's in the socket is like standing up to wipe.
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Paul MaudDib fucked around with this message at 19:05 on Sep 19, 2017 |
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Sep 19, 2017 19:02
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I have seen at least 3 different places do a similar test and came to the conclusion that the X is the best application pattern e: Apply the TIM while out of the socket also has a risk of smearing paste on the underside if you have messy fingers. BangersInMyKnickers fucked around with this message at 19:15 on Sep 19, 2017 |
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Sep 19, 2017 19:12
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Also not all processors are drop and clamp installations. Notably: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zyik-vSfvwo
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Sep 19, 2017 19:53
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No idea how many times I have seen this and I just now noticed that syringe says Hellman's on it. My father in law makes his drinks by doing liquor, then mixer, then puts ice in the cup and splashes the drink on the counter.
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Sep 19, 2017 20:19
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nerox posted:No idea how many times I have seen this and I just now noticed that syringe says Hellman's on it. I had not caught that before - I love that image.
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Sep 19, 2017 20:41
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Is there any risk of some sort of weird air pocket/bubble existing betwen the CPU and cooler if you manually spread the paste beforehand?
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Sep 19, 2017 20:52
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PerrineClostermann posted:Is there any risk of some sort of weird air pocket/bubble existing betwen the CPU and cooler if you manually spread the paste beforehand? Yes, that's why you don't do that.
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Sep 19, 2017 20:58
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Air bubbles could still be in the compound but not exposed, as demonstrated in that link where they tested it on the plexiglass plate. The X pattern gives a place for the air to vent out as the TIM pushes in and thins.
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Sep 19, 2017 20:58
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Rexxed posted:Yes, that's why you don't do that. That's what I thought, but couldn't remember if I'd imagined it or not.
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Sep 19, 2017 20:59
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the proper technique: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kSCVahyh3Dk
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Sep 19, 2017 22:28
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SoftNum posted:the proper technique: I, too, always preferred using Colgate for my thermal paste needs.
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Sep 19, 2017 22:40
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SoftNum posted:the proper technique: I bet MSI had no idea this would become an instant classic 
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Sep 19, 2017 23:22
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Looks like Intels promise to open up Thunderbolt has come to fruition, Gigabyte just announced an X399 board with support for TB3 cards: https://www.anandtech.com/show/11847/gigabyte-announces-x399-designare-ex
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Sep 20, 2017 00:14
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repiv posted:Looks like Intels promise to open up Thunderbolt has come to fruition, Gigabyte just announced an X399 board with support for TB3 cards: https://www.anandtech.com/show/11847/gigabyte-announces-x399-designare-ex royalty free is awesome!
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Sep 20, 2017 00:22
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Paul MaudDib posted:If Epyc has both stereoisomers wouldn't they need to have both, otherwise two of the dies would be broken? Back to the "glass" thing, it seems a marketing drone playing a one-person game of Telephone in their head off something an engineer said seems to be the culprit. The two extra dies are dead. As in dead-dead. There will be no Athlon/Phenom core unlocking going on here.  SwissArmyDruid fucked around with this message at 03:08 on Sep 20, 2017 |
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Sep 20, 2017 03:04
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I'm totally surprised they had enough dead dies to make that worthwhile.
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Not sure if srs...
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SwissArmyDruid posted:Not sure if srs... srs  I suppose tho I could totally be wrong and they're churning out tons of chips and relatively few TR packages. On the substrate, I wonder if they're even connected at all to the PCB or just pads on there. Cos if the wiring is hooked up it'd be another vector for package faults.
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Sep 20, 2017 03:31
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Not hooked up, and the problem with that twitter guys diagram is those destined for the landfill are instead used as spacers for Threadripper. Like, that's where all of AMDs dead dies go, they're probably close to 100% usage of everything GloFo gives them.
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Sep 20, 2017 03:37
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post so i can find a post
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GRINDCORE MEGGIDO posted:srs 14nm success rate for something that's not on a cheaper, fewer mask, process is ~75%. That includes ALL dies which pass, whether its bin 1 or one that fails one thing like voltage, but not so egregiously that it would take 150W to hit 3.8ghz or whatever. For zen, the dies are 213mm2, which means there are approx. 300 dies on a wafer: 225 that pass, 75 that outright fail. I think there's more than enough dead dies for threadripper  Hell, even if they got things going amazingly up to an 85% yield (the highest i've personally seen for a 14nm product was 86-88% for a 'budget' arm soc), there'd still be enough for like 20 tr processors per wafer
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Watermelon Daiquiri posted:14nm success rate for something that's not on a cheaper, fewer mask, process is ~75%. That includes ALL dies which pass, whether its bin 1 or one that fails one thing like voltage but not so egregiously that it would take 150W to hit 3.8ghz or whatever. For zen, the dies are 213mm/super2[/super], which means theres approx. 300 dies on a wafer: 225 that pass, 75 that outright fail. I think there's more than enough dead dies for threadripper Fair enough. This makes sense, thank you.
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Looking up the die size allowed me to come across this amazing site which goes in depth into the zen architecture as well as others, apparently: https://en.wikichip.org/wiki/amd/microarchitectures/zen
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whats the least problematic ryzen ram? What guides are there to get it to work? I'm getting sick of it not posting 5 times, then having to go into the bios, change nothing, restart, just to get it to run 2933 on 3200 QVL approved ram. THis is every single time I turn my PC on.
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Watermelon Daiquiri posted:Looking up the die size allowed me to come across this amazing site which goes in depth into the zen architecture as well as others, apparently: https://en.wikichip.org/wiki/amd/microarchitectures/zen Can this be put in the op, like really this needs be put in the op so its never lost.
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underage at the vape shop posted:whats the least problematic ryzen ram? What guides are there to get it to work? There isn't a comprehensive list of ram that works with Ryzen because there's just thousands of SKUs, but there's some known Samsung B-die ram sticks. Unsurprisingly their prices are inflated. https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/62vp2g/clearing_up_any_samsung_bdie_confusion_eg_on/
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TomR posted:Putting the TIM on the CPU before it's in the socket is like standing up to wipe.
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Sep 20, 2017 07:26
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Anime Schoolgirl posted:You might have to set the clocks/voltage manually and loosen timings, it might just be trying to do the XMP profile each bootup despite it obviously not going to work with Ryzen in most cases. I've had a similar problem with an Asus B350 Prime, but with non B-die ram. yeah i spent all day loving around with timings and said fuckit and got the expensive rear end gskill made for ryzen ram and with XMP I got 3200MHZ first boot its weird having a functional computer
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Sep 20, 2017 09:49
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Going by this logic, putting goop on the cpu while its in the socket is wiping back to front 
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Sep 20, 2017 09:53
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Watermelon Daiquiri posted:Going by this logic, putting goop on the cpu while its in the socket is wiping back to front The MSI video is wiping back to front.
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Apparently 14+ is turning into 12nm for both vega and ryzen? http://www.tomshardware.com/news/amd-ryzen-vega-12nm-lp-2018,35502.html
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So uh... 12nm node is coming.
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New Zealand can eat me posted:Apparently 14+ is turning into 12nm for both vega and ryzen? http://www.tomshardware.com/news/amd-ryzen-vega-12nm-lp-2018,35502.html I wonder if they could get something like 50% of the benefits of moving to "10nm" and this is why Nvidia and AMD basically laughed off 10nm for their products. "Hmm, yes redesign everything, new masks included, for a nearly dead node or, or, now bear with me, we just mature the current node further and spend a gigantic assload less for making it halfway."
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I am salivating for Ryzen with a few percent IPC improvement, baked in errata fixes and OC to 4.4-4.5 Ghz. Oh and less finicky memory support. This is the right call to get product out to market faster. The dumpster fire known as Vega on the other hand may get the flames put out with this new node? (It will still be a disgusting smelly mess, just no longer actively burning?)
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So I am still catching up on the thread (page 38 still) but wanted to check. Anyone see that Tesla appears to be working with AMD to make an AI chip for their cars? The stock is finally back over $14 and rising. 
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Sep 20, 2017 22:00
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EV owners rejoice, no more cold cabins in winter
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Sep 20, 2017 22:06
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Can't wait to buy three Teslas and just have them sit in the garage and mine bitcoins.
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EdEddnEddy posted:So I am still catching up on the thread (page 38 still) but wanted to check. Anyone see that Tesla appears to be working with AMD to make an AI chip for their cars? hell yeah bois up uP UP!!!! FaustianQ posted:I wonder if they could get something like 50% of the benefits of moving to "10nm" and this is why Nvidia and AMD basically laughed off 10nm for their products. "Hmm, yes redesign everything, new masks included, for a nearly dead node or, or, now bear with me, we just mature the current node further and spend a gigantic assload less for making it halfway." nodes are marketing names at this point this is very likely "10nm" FEOL with "14nm" BEOL or somesuch like tsmc 16nm used older BEOL tech Heck intel is basically hosed with 10nm, 14+++ is gonna be better than 10 for everything but extreme density/power needs (apparently SemiAccurate has the scoop on whats wrong but i am not spending 1k on that)
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Malcolm XML posted:hell yeah bois up uP UP!!!! Jesus H. Chrst on a pogo stick with Mary and Judas, a thousand bucks for paywall? I mean, I think Semi-accurate is legit and all, but what the hell?
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