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The correct answer is that The Orville is not about 25th century people, it's about 21st century people living in the 25th century.
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Do you guys really think any of these pop culture things will actually fade away now that we have endleas ways to store and use data? It makes perfect sense to me.
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Sep 19, 2017 16:41
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I really liked that he had Kermit on his desk. When he was describing how he admired him as a leader it really didn't come off as a joke and felt very earnest.
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Sep 19, 2017 16:43
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3 DONG HORSE posted:Do you guys really think any of these pop culture things will actually fade away now that we have endleas ways to store and use data? It makes perfect sense to me. Al Borland Corp. posted:I really liked that he had Kermit on his desk. When he was describing how he admired him as a leader it really didn't come off as a joke and felt very earnest.
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Sep 19, 2017 16:44
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I was hoping Bortus was going to give an inspirational speech to Kitan about how Captain Mercer was inspired to lead his crew by the great amphibian leader Kermit the Frog.
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Sep 19, 2017 16:45
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It's kind of an interesting inversion that usually these shows are about aliens attempting to explain their cultures and humans attempting to understand, but so far in this show it's usually humans trying to explain their bizarre culture to nonplussed aliens.
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Sep 19, 2017 16:48
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Also they kind of reverse prime directived here. In the prime directive type episodes of Trek they accidentally contaminate a primitive culture and have to try and repair their gently caress up. Here they've contaminated a far more advanced civilization with their idiocy. The ending made it seem plausible their whole society might collapse as a result.
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Sep 19, 2017 16:52
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^that was great too I also liked Bortus basically said "gently caress off" so he could stay with his baby, no argument or internal debate required. Family first, mission second. Does this count as foreshadowing?
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Sep 19, 2017 16:53
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Al Borland Corp. posted:Also they kind of reverse prime directived here. In the prime directive type episodes of Trek they accidentally contaminate a primitive culture and have to try and repair their gently caress up. These shows always give any screen-heavy race a certain overall character. If they give us 'charismatic stupidity' or something, I'll be pretty happy. Humans are always the 'infinite potential' race and that's just ridiculous
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Sep 19, 2017 17:00
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3 DONG HORSE posted:Do you guys really think any of these pop culture things will actually fade away now that we have endleas ways to store and use data? It makes perfect sense to me. I mean, we have plenty of pop culture going back to the 18th century or so at least; some of it becomes 'classic' (see e.g. Charles Dickens), most of it disappears as tastes and mores change. We aren't still reading penny dreadfuls from the Victorian era. Nor are we watching minstrel shows.
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Sep 19, 2017 17:08
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feedmegin posted:I mean, we have plenty of pop culture going back to the 18th century or so at least; some of it becomes 'classic' (see e.g. Charles Dickens), most of it disappears as tastes and mores change. We aren't still reading penny dreadfuls from the Victorian era. Nor are we watching minstrel shows. Let me tell you about a show called The Big Bang Theory, about a group of nerds. But actually these aren't real nerds, it's like they are wearing nerd bla-
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Sep 19, 2017 17:11
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BBT is actually a nerd power fantasy, but more blatant about it than Star Trek
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Sep 19, 2017 17:24
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feedmegin posted:I mean, we have plenty of pop culture going back to the 18th century or so at least; some of it becomes 'classic' (see e.g. Charles Dickens), most of it disappears as tastes and mores change. We aren't still reading penny dreadfuls from the Victorian era. Nor are we watching minstrel shows. Books aren't the same as watching media, especially with respect to longterm preservation, so I don't agree with your argument (I am assuming humanity suffered some kind of catastrophe before becoming space bound). But it makes sense in Orville no matter how we wanna debate it: where the elite Picard is into wine, earl grey, books, and water polo, the B Team settles for tequila, weed, and stupid media. It's fitting  e: if I was living in a post-scarcity world, I would be a huge piece of poo poo 3 DONG HORSE fucked around with this message at 17:36 on Sep 19, 2017 |
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Sep 19, 2017 17:33
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^^ to be fair they weren't using stupid media themselves, she did mention that she was directed to an "obscure section of the media archives" if I'm remembering correctly.feedmegin posted:We aren't still reading penny dreadfuls from the Victorian era. Speak for yourself
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Sep 19, 2017 17:44
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Also, when humans became an interstellar civilization, they probably rebooted Dora the Explorer to travel to other planets and learn about them.
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Sep 19, 2017 17:45
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3 DONG HORSE posted:e: if I was living in a post-scarcity world, I would be a huge piece of poo poo You've made this so easy it isn't worth it
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Sep 19, 2017 17:46
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The Bloop posted:You've made this so easy it isn't worth it Well by normal human standards I am a massive poo poo right now but for my own baseline I am actually a gentle and nice angel at the moment Azhais posted:^^ to be fair they weren't using stupid media themselves, she did mention that she was directed to an "obscure of the media archives" if I'm remembering correctly. She was directed there by the pilot guy so I feel like he actually watches that poo poo 3 DONG HORSE fucked around with this message at 18:03 on Sep 19, 2017 |
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Sep 19, 2017 17:58
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3 DONG HORSE posted:She was directed there by the pilot guy so I feel like he actually watches that poo poo Yeah, because he's Tom Paris. Like, literally. He's the ace pilot who was on the shitlist for some crap he pulled, but got the assignment because the captain wanted the best. Instead of classic cartoons, he watches 20th century reality tv.
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Sep 19, 2017 18:01
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Snak posted:Yeah, because he's Tom Paris. Like, literally. He's the ace pilot who was on the shitlist for some crap he pulled, but got the assignment because the captain wanted the best. Instead of classic cartoons, he watches 20th century reality tv. He also fights polite ogres on the deckogram
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Sep 19, 2017 18:03
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Snak posted:Yeah, because he's Tom Paris. Like, literally. He's the ace pilot who was on the shitlist for some crap he pulled, but got the assignment because the captain wanted the best. Instead of classic cartoons, he watches 20th century reality tv. This episode was directed by Tom Paris!
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Sep 19, 2017 18:05
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I'm enjoying all of the little parallels to the various Star Trek series with this show. The opening could be the opening for a Star Trek show, right down to the ship warping off at the end.
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Sep 19, 2017 18:20
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It's not crazy that they'd sometimes reference art from centuries ago, what with how we reference Sherlock Holmes, Dante's Infero, Shakespeare, etc., but they do go overboard with it because it's all Seth MacFarlane knows how to do. What I really want to see though is the aliens using references that the humans don't get, even if it only happens a few times.
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Sep 19, 2017 18:56
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Jeb! Repetition posted:What I really want to see though is the aliens using references that the humans don't get, even if it only happens a few times. This would be amazing
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Sep 19, 2017 19:02
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Or maybe it's a Ready Player One type of thing, where everyone has decided that the early 21st century was the absolute height of human cultural advancement.
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Sep 19, 2017 19:11
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Selachian posted:Or maybe it's a Ready Player One type of thing, where everyone has decided that the early 21st century was the absolute height of human cultural advancement. And like Ready Player One, that character bit conveniently excuses the author from accusations of being a total hack. (I actually like this show and McFarlane, Ernest Cline is a poo poo writer though)
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Sep 19, 2017 19:16
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In RPO it wasn't like society as a whole decided that pacman was the height of human development, it was a single eccentric billionaire that truly decided that he loved the golden age of gaming and tied a game to win all of his money to that love. As a result of that a ton of people had interest in solving the puzzles, but everyone else sort of lived their lives after the initial rush since it had been a lot of years with no progress on the puzzle.
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Sep 19, 2017 19:34
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Accretionist posted:These shows always give any screen-heavy race a certain overall character. I've always kind of wanted to see a Sci-Fi show where humans are the hardcore warrior race that scares the poo poo out of reasonable, polite races. But I would definitely take this as an option.
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Q_res posted:I've always kind of wanted to see a Sci-Fi show where humans are the hardcore warrior race that scares the poo poo out of reasonable, polite races. But I would definitely take this as an option. There's always the Odyssey One series (which are books, I'll grant you, but it does feature Humans as a race that uses technology that terrifies everyone else just due to the pure stupidity of using it)
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Sep 19, 2017 19:46
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I really hope there's a running gag of the engines/nacelles always getting blown up.
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Sep 19, 2017 21:10
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Q_res posted:I've always kind of wanted to see a Sci-Fi show where humans are the hardcore warrior race that scares the poo poo out of reasonable, polite races. But I would definitely take this as an option. You probably want Alan Dean Foster's "The Damned" book series, where an alien confederation has been losing a war because they've evolved past the need for violence ... until they discover Earth and its population of lunatic killers.
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Sep 19, 2017 21:30
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Selachian posted:You probably want Alan Dean Foster's "The Damned" book series, where an alien confederation has been losing a war because they've evolved past the need for violence ... until they discover Earth and its population of lunatic killers. I remember these books, the big bads are mind controlling squids. When one tries to read a human mind it goes into a completely incoherent rage that can never be cured.
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Jeb! Repetition posted:What I really want to see though is the aliens using references that the humans don't get, even if it only happens a few times. Shaka, when the walls fell?
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Sep 19, 2017 21:49
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Al Borland Corp. posted:This episode was directed by Tom Paris! Wait. This isn't a joke. That is so great on so many levels.
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HardKase posted:Wait. This isn't a joke. That is so great on so many levels. Upcoming episode directed by Riker too  How hard has CBS dropped the ball? Edit: I guess he's directing an episode of Discovery too? And he did direct Sub Rosa 
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Sep 19, 2017 22:45
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TheScott2K posted:And like Ready Player One, that character bit conveniently excuses the author from accusations of being a total hack.
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Sep 19, 2017 23:06
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vermin posted:Edit: I guess he's directing an episode of Discovery too? I read somewhere that people didn't get to pick the episode they directed.
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Sep 19, 2017 23:19
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vermin posted:Upcoming episode directed by Riker too Jonathan Frakes has been directing TV shows for ages now. A bunch of TNG and Voyager actors got into directing. Also, come on, you're going to blame the episode director for Sub Rosa?
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Sep 19, 2017 23:33
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:Jonathan Frakes has been directing TV shows for ages now. A bunch of TNG and Voyager actors got into directing. Gynovore posted:I read somewhere that people didn't get to pick the episode they directed. Yeah you're right I should give him more credit. But it's like having some weird unsavory sounding thing listed on your resume.
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Sep 19, 2017 23:41
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Q_res posted:I've always kind of wanted to see a Sci-Fi show where humans are the hardcore warrior race that scares the poo poo out of reasonable, polite races. But I would definitely take this as an option. Harry Turtledove's Worldwar is kind of like that. This alien race that last observed humanity in the 12th century shows up in the middle of WWII to take over the planet, and learn that, first, humanity has technologically advanced incredibly fast, and second, that human beings are horribly aggressive, willing to throw away their lives in battle in mass wave attacks, bomb civilians, and even commit genocide. There's a moment where they realize, "poo poo, we're not going to win this, are we?"
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The Fuzzy Hulk posted:Shaka, when the walls fell? 
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