Mu Zeta posted:White Christmas is the worst nightmare. Just thinking about millions of years in that room fucks me up. Not to mention that Hamm's character is isolated for the rest of his life because he's a perv who likes to watch others having sex.
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Lick! The! Whisk! posted:San Junipero in and of itself is not critical of SJ the location. It is absolutely, 100%, critical of people who ignore essential truths that define them only to playact in some magical consequence-free technopalace, which the ending of San Junipero plays into. You are making the mistake of thinking that the only argument an episode can make is through a character's speeches. Charlie Booker thinks the natural ending is sad because he's a smart guy who's given some thought to the Ship of Theseus and thinks the argument has sailed when it comes to that and human consciousness, and yes, he starts by presenting us with some bleak ideas about what can happen when people are given an eternity without loss. Then he introduces as character whose very existence is an argument against all of our natural instincts here. Yeah, alright, sometimes loss can be painful and beautiful and an exquisitely important part of the human experience. Are you going to say that to Yorkie's face? There is nothing poignant about what happened to her. It is just misery and lost potential at the hands of a bigoted family so tyrannical that they will not even allow for her to die. Saying that what either character wants here is "selfish" is taking sides in a debate in which there isn't a right answer. Yorkie has an opportunity to live a life she never got to experience with someone she has genuine feelings for. The idea that living that life is selfish decadence is, and should be, offensive to her. Kelly, for whom San Junipero feels like a betrayal for the loved ones she has lost, has legitimate reasons for feeling that it is selfish decadence. Their argument stems from their lived histories and misunderstandings on the part of Yorkie for not having all of the information. Kelly's speech is so impassioned because it is giving us, the audience, new information, and it presents some good arguments, but they are not, in the end, enough to overcome the argument of Yorkie's potential. Kelly's family does not feel the insult of her continuing to live (or dying, but leaving a digital imprint of herself on a server, depending on whose side you're on). I don't think any of those things are things that she has to voice. It's not some touchy-feely Harry Potter thing. They will have difficulties to face, but they are choosing to face them. Her change in motivation is obvious. The episode does not win awards in spite of the ending, it wins them because of it.
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# ? Sep 19, 2017 14:03 |
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Alhazred posted:I think that it's impossible to top White Bear in terms of meanness. lol have you seen shut up and dance. it's definitely the meanest. also the best.
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# ? Sep 19, 2017 22:11 |
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Playtest is probaly the meanest. At least in White Bear and SUAD the show is commenting on nuanced topics like justice vs. vengeance, the nature of evil, and the concept of "acceptable targets". The ending of Playtest is just a lovely thing happening to a normal person for no reason.
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# ? Sep 19, 2017 22:18 |
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In It For The Tank posted:Playtest is probaly the meanest. At least in White Bear and SUAD the show is commenting on nuanced topics like justice vs. vengeance, the nature of evil, and the concept of "acceptable targets". The ending of Playtest is just a lovely thing happening to a normal person for no reason. I actually had to look the plot up again for that dumb episode cuz it has so many corny fakeout endings
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# ? Sep 19, 2017 22:28 |
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In It For The Tank posted:Playtest is probaly the meanest. At least in White Bear and SUAD the show is commenting on nuanced topics like justice vs. vengeance, the nature of evil, and the concept of "acceptable targets". The ending of Playtest is just a lovely thing happening to a normal person for no reason. nobody on earth felt the same way at the ending of playtest than they did at the end of whit ebear or shut up and dance get out of here with that bull.
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# ? Sep 19, 2017 22:58 |
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I'm not saying it was the most hardhitting ending, nor even good one. I'm saying the ending of Playtest was the most pointlessly cruel. It's like saying The Human Centipede's ending was meaner than Se7en's. Se7en has a great ending that is bleak and vicious, but Human Centipede ends with a girl whose mouth is a stapled to a dead guy's rear end in a top hat.
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# ? Sep 19, 2017 23:22 |
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Playtest is the technically meanest because it's mean to the audience to show them a bad episode, which is greater than being mean to fictional characters because they don't exist.
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# ? Sep 20, 2017 02:49 |
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counterfeitsaint posted:Playtest is the technically meanest because it's mean to the audience to show them a bad episode, which is greater than being mean to fictional characters because they don't exist. Your opinion is bad
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# ? Sep 20, 2017 03:00 |
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In It For The Tank posted:Playtest is probaly the meanest. At least in White Bear and SUAD the show is commenting on nuanced topics like justice vs. vengeance, the nature of evil, and the concept of "acceptable targets". The ending of Playtest is just a lovely thing happening to a normal person for no reason. The million year torture at the end of White Christmas felt pretty sadistic too, given it was done in such an off-hand manner.
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# ? Sep 20, 2017 03:02 |
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I didn't think anybody liked Playtest.
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# ? Sep 20, 2017 03:03 |
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counterfeitsaint posted:I didn't think anybody liked Playtest. 🙌
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# ? Sep 20, 2017 03:05 |
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counterfeitsaint posted:I didn't think anybody liked Playtest. My wife is an arachnophobe and the thing the game did that was half-spider half-dude's-friend made her literally jump with terror. Best episode hands down.
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# ? Sep 20, 2017 03:09 |
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counterfeitsaint posted:I didn't think anybody liked Playtest. I forgot it existed like 5 minutes after watching it. Same with the episode about the woke soldier.
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# ? Sep 20, 2017 03:43 |
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Mu Zeta posted:I forgot it existed like 5 minutes after watching it. Same with the episode about the woke soldier. I guess the ones that really "stuck" with me for better or for worse were the on-the-nose social media first episode, san junipero, the one with the pedophile, and uhhhh the robot bees, which google tells me is all the episodes except playtest and the woke soldier one anyway so 4/6 not bad. still have a lot of fun with this show. can't wait to see whatever the gently caress John Hillcoat does.
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# ? Sep 20, 2017 06:22 |
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In It For The Tank posted:Playtest is probaly the meanest. At least in White Bear and SUAD the show is commenting on nuanced topics like justice vs. vengeance, the nature of evil, and the concept of "acceptable targets". The ending of Playtest is just a lovely thing happening to a normal person for no reason. White Christmas wins this 'contest' hands down: We start with 2 men who've lived, in isolation, in a cabin for 5 years and said 3 sentences to each other in that time (later we learn this is only the subjective experience of one of them but still). Next is PUA/Cyrano de Bergerac/live streaming sex crime we don't yet have a name for (Pre-revenge porn?) culminating with a murder(?)-suicide. In the future humanity brings back slavery and, as before, slaves are treated poorly. Plus their existence is disconnected from practically everything, they have no body, no human contact .. Next we get some relief as we're treated to some normal awfulness; infidelity, terrible communication and stalking. But this is all too low key so that ends in murder and the death of a child Future justice is interesting. Confessions under duress are a-ok, commit a sex crime and you get solitary non-confinement and the casual torture of the criminal underclass is only worth a moments thought. Over a million years, with no sleep, in a room, where you murdered you ex's father at christmas, after your child, your life's obsession since she blocked you from her life, turned out to be the product of infidelity. This will mean that the child dies outside in the snow. Forced to listen to I Wish It Could Be Christmas Everyday and when you lose control it just gets louder....
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# ? Sep 20, 2017 16:01 |
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the jaunt did it better.
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# ? Sep 20, 2017 22:23 |
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https://www.tor.com/2017/09/21/black-mirror-volume-1-authors-cory-doctorow-sylvain-neuvel-claire-north/ Only really know Doctorow and would hope that his story isn't too obviously "San Junipero DRM is holding granny hostage!"
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# ? Sep 22, 2017 10:20 |
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he is a bad writer.
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# ? Sep 22, 2017 12:56 |
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Managed to catch a preview showing of USS Callister that had Brooker & a bunch of the cast sticking around for a QA afterwards. Brooker mentioned something along the lines of "gently caress anyone who doesn't think San Junipero was a happy ending". Liam McPoyle is in it too! Show's still dope. It's astounding how well the show shifts from brilliant laughs to terribly uncomfortable situations. They didn't give a release date, but hey, if they're already finished with such a special effects heavy episode I imagine we might still see it before the end of the year. EatinCake fucked around with this message at 16:17 on Oct 7, 2017 |
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Oh my god how did I miss White Christmas when I was going through Season 2, goodbye and thank you thread
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# ? Oct 7, 2017 16:46 |
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looking at the pics, the idea of a Star Trek parody type thing just feels tedious af. like the Seth McFarlane thing wasn't enough? Thought this was a Twilight Zone type show, sci-fi parody just feels tired. could've just done a riff on the themes and utopian ideals presented by Roddenberry and Star Trek without it being SOOO visually on the nose & unsubtle. what is this a porn parody? I guess it's just lost on me since I never watched any Star Trek except if you count the two JJ Abrams movies.
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# ? Oct 8, 2017 00:29 |
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If I had to guess, the whole "blatently inspired by Star Trek" thing is going to be some kind of simulation played by a bunch of incorrigibly bad people who miss the "liberal utopia" concepts and somehow manage to be more regressive than the 60s version, and that the utilized images and tropes will be unsettling reference points rather than parody (with an occasional parody-level joke, because, hell, who can resist?).
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# ? Oct 8, 2017 01:15 |
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Ah yah something like that would be cool, I was leery of it just actually being a real space sci fi thing with cornball on the nose Star Trek aesthetics. Who directed this episode again? I do support Meth Damon as the next Star Trek captain
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# ? Oct 8, 2017 01:18 |
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I mean, I think Futurama, Galaxy Quest, and hell, Star Trek itself, have effectively lampooned and parodied the genre to the point where a direct parody of it would be pretty tired, but playing with the some of the high concepts and recognizable branding of the franchise that has permeated our culture and using it to say something horrible about human nature is something that has potential. Toby Haynes is directing it, whose experience seems to focus around "stuff with the BBC that requires kind of an enormous budget for the BBC."
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# ? Oct 8, 2017 01:32 |
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Punkin Spunkin posted:looking at the pics, the idea of a Star Trek parody type thing just feels tedious af. like the Seth McFarlane thing wasn't enough? Thought this was a Twilight Zone type show, sci-fi parody just feels tired.
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# ? Oct 8, 2017 03:42 |
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Bicyclops posted:If I had to guess, the whole "blatently inspired by Star Trek" thing is going to be some kind of simulation played by a bunch of incorrigibly bad people who miss the "liberal utopia" concepts and somehow manage to be more regressive than the 60s version, and that the utilized images and tropes will be unsettling reference points rather than parody (with an occasional parody-level joke, because, hell, who can resist?). The Orville is shaping up to be exactly that unfortunately...
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# ? Oct 8, 2017 05:47 |
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The Star Trek one will probably turn out to be a bunch of nerds cosplaying that turns into 'what if fandom but too much'
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# ? Oct 8, 2017 06:17 |
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lightinwater posted:White Christmas wins this 'contest' hands down: Yup, this is why White Christmas is the one that still haunts me. So so so many ways things are hosed up in it. Yes, White Bear and Shut up and Dance are both horrific, but White Christmas is so universally terrifying to me. Trapped for a literal eternity like that. ugh.
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# ? Oct 9, 2017 17:41 |
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ElCondemn posted:The Orville is shaping up to be exactly that unfortunately... What
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# ? Oct 16, 2017 04:16 |
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Bicyclops posted:If I had to guess, the whole "blatently inspired by Star Trek" thing is going to be some kind of simulation played by a bunch of incorrigibly bad people who miss the "liberal utopia" concepts and somehow manage to be more regressive than the 60s version, and that the utilized images and tropes will be unsettling reference points rather than parody (with an occasional parody-level joke, because, hell, who can resist?). My first reaction was that they adapted the book Red Shirts into an episode, only to later find out that it's being (potentially) developed into it's own series on FX.
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# ? Oct 16, 2017 18:52 |
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one thing i was wondering about san junipero is whether there's any actual consciousness transfer. that seems to be the case, because jacking into san junipero does seem to send your consciousness to the virtual world. but in the end, there seemed to have been only the fascimile of consciousness transfer, as the brain that controlled the virtual avatar still died. but the show made it seem like there was some form of consciousness transfer because they jacked into san junipero before dying? how does that work without a living brain? my guess is that the brain is just fooled into thinking that there has been consciousness transfer before death, but i can't be sure.
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# ? Oct 29, 2017 06:45 |
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It showed them continuing to exist in SJ and loading their memory drive into a giant bank so yeah, there's a full upload process that lets you survive brain death.
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# ? Oct 29, 2017 07:29 |
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The upvote episode is already dated now that it has been ripped off by both The Orville and real-life China.
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# ? Oct 29, 2017 07:33 |
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McSpanky posted:It showed them continuing to exist in SJ and loading their memory drive into a giant bank so yeah, there's a full upload process that lets you survive brain death. that means that it's just a copy of their brain that gets to live on, meaning that the human being still dies, i.e. ceases to exist. so no consciousness transfer, and it's debatable whether this new simulation is any sort of existence at all, i wonder how one can argue that it is existence at all.
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lightinwater posted:
Of course the real kicker is that it's completely unnecessary, they already got the real killer and could just delete the virtual one, but instead they chose to punish someone out of spite.
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# ? Oct 29, 2017 11:58 |
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Fututor Magnus posted:that means that it's just a copy of their brain that gets to live on, meaning that the human being still dies, i.e. ceases to exist. so no consciousness transfer, and it's debatable whether this new simulation is any sort of existence at all, i wonder how one can argue that it is existence at all. How can you say that when they can enter it when alive and it's clear that there is total consciousness transfer while they're alive (no part of them is aware of sitting in a chair with the little head do-dad on until they log out), so the implication to me is that the same thing happens when they die as well.
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# ? Oct 29, 2017 12:08 |
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WampaLord posted:How can you say that when they can enter it when alive and it's clear that there is total consciousness transfer while they're alive (no part of them is aware of sitting in a chair with the little head do-dad on until they log out), so the implication to me is that the same thing happens when they die as well. but this is different, this is biological death. when you log in and log out as a living person, your brain is the source of one consciousness receiving qualia etc. from either real or virtual world. what is happening here is that a computer with code designed to simulate your mind, or whatever else to that effect, is going to be taking over your avatar in a totally simulated world, how can there be any consciousness transfer at all in this arrangement? at best you die under the delusion that your consciousness will transfer to san junipero, but in the end you'll still end up in endless black. and a computer program based on your brain and personality is doing poo poo in a simulated reality, which is not any sort of real existence at all; it is merely a façade of continuation at best. i don't like how the show pretended that their consciousness is transferring seamlessly without explaining how that is possible at all.
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# ? Oct 29, 2017 14:51 |
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in the fiction of the show it's an actual transfer. "realistically" it couldn't work that way, you'd just have a copy that thought it was the original.
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Groovelord Neato posted:in the fiction of the show it's an actual transfer. "realistically" it couldn't work that way, you'd just have a copy that thought it was the original. that's my point exactly, there's no reason the writers needed to portray it as an actual transfer other than to produce a hackneyed happy ending, an ending that is uncharacteristic of black mirror in my opinion. really, there's no justification for the tone of the ending.
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