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That was an excellent episode of Star Trek.
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I am disappointed they left Cultural Relativism unresolved.
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Sep 22, 2017 05:18
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Every concern I had about this show has been addressed and I’m totally on board
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Sep 22, 2017 05:23
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Accretionist posted:I am disappointed they left Cultural Relativism unresolved. Probably will never happen without many, many hurt feelings on all sides. I like this show, though.
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Sep 22, 2017 05:26
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This episode was great and was, way more than the previous two, literally just an episode of star trek. There was barely any attempt at comedy. The parts that were funny were directly integral to the plot in a serious way. Like, Rudolph was played for laughs, but also a legitimate plot device. Also, people who said the ending was uncharacteristically dark for trek, well... that's simply not true. TNG did poo poo like that a bunch of times.
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Sep 22, 2017 05:27
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I loved the asteroid being over a month out. Like, of course they have over a month. This is a c-list ship with a c-list crew.
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Sep 22, 2017 05:31
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Snak posted:The parts that were funny were directly integral to the plot in a serious way. Like, Rudolph was played for laughs, but also a legitimate plot device. Also, people who said the ending was uncharacteristically dark for trek, well... that's simply not true. TNG did poo poo like that a bunch of times. Well, the holodeck gag wasn't integral... but it was still great.
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Sep 22, 2017 05:32
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And also, just, like, how would not detect it at least a month out? The sooner you get to it, the less work it takes to fix. edit: ^ I forgot about that part, actually. But you could argue that even though it wasn't integral to the plot, it was thematically relevant, because it was about subverting tradition and cultural expectations.
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Sep 22, 2017 05:33
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This show really is just Star Trek with horrible dad humor
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Sep 22, 2017 05:38
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God this show is incredible. This is everything I wanted and more. I can't believe I'm in love with a Seth MacFarlane show.
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Sep 22, 2017 06:02
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Kazinsal posted:I can't believe I'm in love with a Seth MacFarlane show. 
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Sep 22, 2017 06:03
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This was very good. It was kind of a gut punch the way the tribunal voted, but the way Bortus rallied hit me just the right way. I want to keep watching this show.
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Sep 22, 2017 06:13
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If this was the bad episode, I'm on board with this show. I don't know what TV critics were thinking. I can only imagine that they watched the first 30 seconds, thought "this is about transgender issues," shouted "BAD EPISODE," and then turned it off so they could write their review. The jokes were funny and they flowed with the dialog, they weren't just shoved in. The plot seemed touchy at first, but it seems like they handled it well. I expected the twist to be that half of all that species are female, and no one ever thought to keep track of how many gender reassignment surgeries they did. It would actually be interesting if the only way to get pregnant is for one of the two to have been born a female, but no one ever realized it. In any case, the greatest writer of all time actually being a female was also good. And like someone said earlier, they went with the conclusion that would have really happened. They can't all be happy endings.
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Sep 22, 2017 06:17
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THIS is what the critics had an issue with? I'd love to see some of them revisit it and address things now that we know what they're talking about. Not in an "eat your poo poo opinions" way, I am honestly curious how they came to them from those three episodes.
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Sep 22, 2017 06:19
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Bruceski posted:THIS is what the critics had an issue with? I'd love to see some of them revisit it and address things now that we know what they're talking about. Not in an "eat your poo poo opinions" way, I am honestly curious how they came to them from those three episodes. Fox aired episodes 1,3, and 4 Maybe they didn't gently caress up for once and Episode 2 is just really poo poo?
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Sep 22, 2017 06:29
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Kazinsal posted:God this show is incredible. This is everything I wanted and more. I don't know how it happened. I love this show too.
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Sep 22, 2017 06:30
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Tunicate posted:Fox aired episodes 1,3, and 4 I seriously think it's just critics getting 30 seconds in and making GBS threads themselves like Cojawfee said. Teaser summary of the next episode: TV Guide posted:Ed and the Orville crew encounter a massive vessel adrift in space, which is in danger of colliding with a star. While some of the crew set out to help the ship's inhabitants, Bortus, Gordon, and John stay behind and fend off a Krill attack on another Union ship in the all-new "If the Stars Should Appear" episode of THE ORVILLE airing Thursday, Sept. 28 (9:01-10:00 PM ET) on FOX. (ORV-102) The wording at the end there makes me feel like TV Guide isn't used to shows having episode title cards be an important thing again.
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Sep 22, 2017 06:35
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R-Type posted:There is no doubt. Discovery's got paywall barriers and had too many good people get exposed to the project and jump ship because of what they saw. I'm predicting Discovery has Mass Effect Andromeda-itus, It will be libtarded, infected with much SJW poo poo and be too far removed from past practice to have appeal to the ST OT fanbase. MacFarlane was totally into it in the scene where Mercer relieved Bortus of duty. This show is pure fanfiction in the best and worst ways. It's so weird.
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Sep 22, 2017 06:56
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Yeah that scene actually made me go "holy poo poo, he actually knows how to act".
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Sep 22, 2017 08:00
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At this point, we're all just going "Wait, this episode was really/pretty good, the next one must be awful for the critics to be this angry". It's kinda fun.
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Sep 22, 2017 08:18
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That was a very good episode of television honestly. I was super lukewarm on the pilot but it's definitely growing on me.
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Sep 22, 2017 09:11
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Cojawfee posted:I can only imagine that they watched the first 30 seconds, thought "this is about transgender issues," shouted "BAD EPISODE," and then turned it off so they could write their review. You're really not kidding. Pretty much the only way that I can see where the critics were coming from there is squinting my eyes to the point that they're almost shut completely and turning off the episode as soon as the Captain and crew make it clear that they won't allow the baby to have that operation. "Oh, they're against the sex change? THIS EPISODE HATES TRANSGENDER PEOPLE." I honestly never thought I'd say this about MacFarlane's writing... but I think that this Star Trek-as-gently caress episode was too... smart for them...? 
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Sep 22, 2017 09:12
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Also the dumb lieutenant is the best character. "Nabisco? The moon?"
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Sep 22, 2017 09:20
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The Bloop posted:It's a pretty sexy ship It looks like a fish or an octopus swimming through the sea of stars I dig it very much.
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Sep 22, 2017 10:24
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Each episode was better than the previous one so far, so we're on a good course. I was waiting for the hammer to drop that would push it into "what the hell were they thinking" territory during this one, since it was supposedly "bad", but it was ... totally fine? I also was kind of expecting the asteroid turn into a b-plot, where each half would become a threat to another planet, which then needed to be cut in half, rinse, repeat. Not sure if I'm relieved or dissappointed it didn't happen, though. Still waiting on Isaac to become offensively racist/speciesist.
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Sep 22, 2017 10:36
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It's weird because I love TOS but only like maybe 5% of all existing TNG episodes (as to why I watched the show if I didn't like it much, my mother was way into it) and this show is super TNG, yet I like it more than any Trek show (though I never really watched more than a few episodes of Voyager and Enterprise). This episode was pure condensed "what was good about TNG and none of the bad".
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Sep 22, 2017 11:03
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Tunicate posted:Fox aired episodes 1,3, and 4 These are definitely the three they saw, the reviews included their plot synopses and complained about the zoo episode being a well with trope(which it is but that doesn't mean it isn't fun or interesting) and the gender episode being something they didn't have the right to approach
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Sep 22, 2017 11:44
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Wait, fox aired them out of order?
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Sep 22, 2017 11:47
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WhiteHowler posted:There was that episode where Riker fell in love with the woman from the androgynous race. That one ended similarly to tonight's episode of The Orville. I think there was also a taste of "Half a Life" where the alien Major Winchester had to commit ritual suicide despite about to make a great scientific breakthrough.
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Sep 22, 2017 12:14
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God I'm actually really annoyed and disappointed how much the critics bitched about this episode in the screener reviews. Even the humor in it, which had been a bit of a sore thumb for me in the first two episodes, was mostly integrated well and felt appropriate. I'm still chuckling at Greyson's indignant "I've got a bad case of the tits!". On that note, despite all the complaints I've seen online about about Seth continually putting Alara in the forefront (complaints I think are completely unfounded) this was totally Macon and Palicki's episode and they nailed it. poo poo, MacFarlane even got in a good scene himself, with his anger and self-righteousness when dismissing Bortus nearly matching any of the five other captains (not an easy feat). I totally understand why people would hate the Orville on the surface--after all, it's a smug rear end in a top hat's self-insert Star Trek fanfic, and nothing that said smug rear end in a top hat had done to this point had suggested he could write an even half-decent episode of Trek--but About A Girl pretty much put those concerns to bed for me. I suppose it's possible that this is the high water mark for the season, but even if that's the case I'm glad The Orville exists if only because it was goddam amazing to see an episode of Trek like this on TV in 2017.
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Sep 22, 2017 12:39
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Sep 22, 2017 12:48
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I mostly agree with the thread's sentiment. They handled the issues involved well and the episode was thoughtful and ended depressingly realistically. My only real complaint was that I still wish it was later in the season. It feels like a weird choice for Bortus's first focused episode when we barely know anything about him. I could be wrong though, maybe what they wanted to do with his character made it essential to establish this first. Regardless the extreme negativity from the reviewers just seems ridiculous. I'm feeling quite good about this show.
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Sep 22, 2017 12:51
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I think it's more Seth expecting that the show would be cancelled mid season and wanting to make sure he got in at least one stellar episode before that happened.Indiewire posted:One of “About a Girl’s” most major missteps is the way in which it confuses basic concepts of gender identity. Per the GLAAD media reference guide, phrases like “born a woman” are “reductive and overly-simplify a very complex subject” — yet the writers see the issue as strictly tied to biology, which is an overly simplified way of using allegory to look at a nuanced issue.  THE ORVILLE IS BAD BECAUSE IT DIDN'T DISCUSS GENDER IDENTITY IN AN EPISODE EXPLICITLY ABOUT BIOLOGICAL SEX loving hell. asecondduck fucked around with this message at 12:59 on Sep 22, 2017 |
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Sep 22, 2017 12:54
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Rocksicles posted:Wait, fox aired them out of order? Well, MacFarlane said they were made so they could be aired out of order, so it's no big thing.
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Sep 22, 2017 13:30
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Rocksicles posted:Wait, fox aired them out of order? Get out your crayons and color me shocked!
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Sep 22, 2017 13:32
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"It was good but we have a few suggestions" doesn't generate enough clicks. It was either the best ever or it was Nazi propaganda.
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Sep 22, 2017 13:34
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BattleTech posted:I thought that was a good episode, I feel like it would have fit right in with TNG. Yeah there's been half a dozen Trek episodes that are the same thing as that. The ending was kind of dark for the show's tone, maybe that threw them. I think they just decided gently caress Seth MacFarlane though. Which is good! This show is fun. Tumblr can whine but gently caress 'em. I'm glad to see Star Trek on the air again. The last two episodes were good and the pilot was okay so it's already beaten TNG season 1's record.
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Sep 22, 2017 13:37
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I just now got that Dr. Finn was married to The Sisko.
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Sep 22, 2017 13:40
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I can imagine a critic hating this episode because what even is this episode? It wasn't particularly funny. The number of jokes was pretty low. And the story is some plot in the third episode of a show with barely any world building or charactorization. Like people reading this thread all have the cheat that we watched TNG and so we don't need the setting and characters spelled out. But imagine just being the random tv critic that barely knows star trek from star wars and trying to make sense of this show.
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:I can imagine a critic hating this episode because what even is this episode? It wasn't particularly funny. The number of jokes was pretty low. And the story is some plot in the third episode of a show with barely any world building or charactorization. Professional TV critic signed to review a sci fi show: never watched a single episode of Star Trek. And this happened repeatedly?
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