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Is it plot-critical or an oversight that Eleanor is the only person that always summons Janet when she says her name? Like when she's trying to remember it and Chidi goes "You mean Janet?" and she goes "YEAH! Janet!" "Hi there!" I noticed it a couple other times too. Hmm. :think:
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precision posted:Is it plot-critical or an oversight that Eleanor is the only person that always summons Janet when she says her name? Jason and Michael summon her too. Remember the whole back and forth when he finds out they're married? Maybe its about intention?
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Sep 25, 2017 22:10
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Rocksicles posted:You guys would suck the fun out of a blow job..... Welcome to TVIV friend.
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Sep 25, 2017 23:26
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SunshineDanceParty posted:Jason and Michael summon her too. Remember the whole back and forth when he finds out they're married? Maybe its about intention?
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Sep 25, 2017 23:50
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I'm just going to keep watching this every day until the next episode, because goddamn is it good.
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PantsBandit posted:I'm about 7 episodes into this. I like the aesthetic and it's a fun and creative concept, but I just don't think it's very funny. It's like they're always verging on having a truly funny gag but don't quite manage to get there. Honestly I busted the gently caress out laughing just about every time Chidi is just utterly baffled by what he's witnessing. Which happens a surprising amount. The bit in s2e1 with his reaction to Eleanor thinking his name is a type of soup was loving hilarious.
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Sep 26, 2017 06:55
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I normally find that American comedies are only funny for a season or so, and they quickly lose steam after that. The Good Place is funny, clever and sweet, and so far season two is just as strong as the first one, so that is very good.
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Sep 26, 2017 07:29
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Good acting, well-defined characters, interesting plot, well produced. It's not a laugh riot but it's funny and you want to know where it's all going. I'll definitely stick around as long as the plot keeps moving.
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Sep 26, 2017 11:02
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i think there's a nonzero chance that Janet ends up being God or something like that.
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Sep 26, 2017 12:53
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If you don't think Janet's murder scene is funny I don't know what to tell you.
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Sep 26, 2017 13:34
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FactsAreUseless posted:If you don't think Janet's murder scene is funny I don't know what to tell you. That was a pretty good bit for sure. Feels like for every one of those there are several "bud-hole" level jokes that fail to land though.
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Sep 26, 2017 16:26
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Is Lincoln in hell?
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Sep 26, 2017 16:30
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sbaldrick posted:Is Lincoln in hell? Ending slavery is worth over 800,000 points so probably not?
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Sep 26, 2017 16:36
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sbaldrick posted:Is Lincoln in hell? Michael makes it clear in the first episode that Lincoln is the only US president not in the Bad Place. Of course, he could have been lying 
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Sep 26, 2017 17:11
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precision posted:the budhole joke is hilarious It wasn't very funny the first ttime, but it becoming a recurring thing was great.
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I love the idea that Michael is God, or that he's the Devil, but one thing that kinda makes that seem unlikely to me - if that's true, why show us the scenes of him "psyching himself up" before talking to his boss? Those play out like he is legit afraid of being caught, which he shouldn't be if he's either God or the Devil. Those scenes would, however, make perfect sense if he's a "good angel" that got mistakenly assigned to work in the Bad Place (whoah... it's like poetry, it rhymes!) and he's scared of blowing his cover.
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I don't think it's useful to search for additional twists like that, especially one that invalidates the previous twist. If the new premise for season 2 were also false, and Michael isn't ACTUALLY a subordinate Bad Place demon on thin ice, the show and its stakes would become totally untrustworthy. I think Michael's deal is, the most effective lie is one that runs parallel to the truth (for example, he pretends to be a first-time Good Place architect because it's not far off from the truth of being a first-time Bad Place architect). In particular, I think he may not be totally pretending when he gets all giddy about human culture and artifacts. I suspect he likes humans more than he'd care to admit to himself or other demons (which is why he designed a Bad Place neighbourhood this way in the first place), and his arc could involve realizing that.
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Sep 26, 2017 19:23
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Michael just really likes Hawaiian pizza.
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Supercar Gautier posted:I suspect he likes humans more than he'd care to admit to himself or other demons (which is why he designed a Bad Place neighbourhood this way in the first place), and his arc could involve realizing that. Isn't that functionally the same as when I posited that he was a "good angel mistakenly assigned to the Bad Place though? It would more or less shake out the same either way.
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There's a difference between the idea that Michael could have sympathetic qualities that will increasingly drive a rift between him and other demons, vs the idea that he's already a secret double triple agent angel. The latter would undermine the S1 finale-- you can't go "X was Y all along" and then follow it up with "actually X wasn't Y after all". I don't think Michael's deliberately making a gentler kind of Bad Place, just that it's happening unintentionally as a side-effect of his fascination with humans.
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Sep 26, 2017 21:40
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Yeah, I think that's a better and more likely outcome.
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Sep 26, 2017 23:13
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Yeah, and I think that trying to understand humans, in order to torture them, is eventually going to turn him into a better person. It's hard for me to see Michael as a villain for the entire rest of the show.
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Snak posted:Yeah, and I think that trying to understand humans, in order to torture them, is eventually going to turn him into a better person. It's hard for me to see Michael as a villain for the entire rest of the show. But it's so fun watching Danson be evil! Oh, silly guess: Michael is actually Sam Malone, making his way to the majors in the Bad Place.
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Sep 27, 2017 01:48
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I just want this season to be like demon Groundhog Day, where Michael fucks up in new and different ways every episode and has to keep resetting while keeping it under wraps from the boss.
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raditts posted:I just want this season to be like demon Groundhog Day, where Michael fucks up in new and different ways every episode and has to keep resetting while keeping it under wraps from the boss. Yeah I'm imagining the season-long gag is going to be that no matter how many things he does to keep them from figuring it out, they keep doing it anyways. Almost certain one reset will be Janet immediately recognizing Jason.
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The run where Michael gets drunk at the party. And Shawn shows up.
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Sep 27, 2017 03:18
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Maybe Michael will actually do a slow burn this time. He said he would by separating them, but then he got aggressive with the direct mind games immediately instead of letting them settle in, which is ironically what he did do the first time - he laid it thick on Eleanor but largely let her work on Chidi and Jason and Jason work on Tahani for a while. Alternatively, the next run will crash because Michael is so focused on how Eleanor outsmarted him that he didn't even notice that Tahani and Jason both went pretty off the rails in 2.0 as well, and Jason mostly all on his own.
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Sep 27, 2017 03:25
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The secret moral of the story is the lesson of why God doesn't involve himself in thw daily lives of humans: because human nature will cause the interference to ruin his plan.
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raditts posted:I just want this season to be like demon Groundhog Day, where Michael fucks up in new and different ways every episode and has to keep resetting while keeping it under wraps from the boss. Caphi posted:
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Snak posted:The secret moral of the story is the lesson of why God doesn't involve himself in thw daily lives of humans: because human nature will cause the interference to ruin his plan. So like the inverse of that saying: "Whenever you make plans God laughs." I like it.
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I just want some of the Bad Place denizens like Vicki to end up being actual friends with the gang; I figured Michael and Vicki would have had great futures writing and acting in Hollywood. Also, I imagine it would be an easy sell to have some of the workers perpetuate the ruse to Sean; I mean, surely some of them are also bored torturing people and would prefer drawing out the time they spend chillaxing in a nice quiet town.
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Gaz-L posted:I'm almost wondering if Michael's real innovation is moving away from punishment to rehabilitation. All 4 of his charges are 'medium' people, but for different reasons. Tahani did good things for bad reasons, Chidi was so concerned with having the right reason to do things that he was paralysed, Eleanor was basically apathetic and selfish and Jason is ignorant but in an odd way innocent.
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Sep 27, 2017 12:33
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Eleanor was an rear end in a top hat to people but it's also pretty understandable how she turned out that way considering how her parents treated her.
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Regy Rusty posted:Eleanor was an rear end in a top hat to people but it's also pretty understandable how she turned out that way considering how her parents treated her. But on the other hand: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8t6JfL47EW0&t=18s Also, you should re-watch season 1. Eleanor realized herself that she couldn't keep running with that excuse towards the end of the season.
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Regy Rusty posted:Eleanor was an rear end in a top hat to people but it's also pretty understandable how she turned out that way considering how her parents treated her.
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I'm not saying it's an excuse, but I don't think that somehow Eleanor fundamentally more deserves the bad place than the other 3.
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By that logic, also, Jason's a fundamentally worse person than Eleanor. Eleanor was an inconsiderate, selfish jerk. Jason literally blew up a boat, framed someone for a crime they didn't commit just because he was jealous, and was going to rob a pizza place.
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While Eleanor and Jason both did horrible and/or selfish things to strangers at least they were doing it to strangers. To put things in perspective, Tahani devoted her entire life to upstaging her sister. Chidi is even worse because he hurt everyone who cared and loved for him and to no ones benefit.
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