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You laugh, but Grant Morrison spun entire crossovers out of obscure terribly-costumed 70s DC villains.
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Night10194 posted:Wait, are we like, a thing people outside of SA know about.
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My old Ars Magica reviews got discussion at the Atlas forums, with at least one writer thinking I had committed copyright violation and another being like 'what, no, this is excellent'.
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Mors Rattus posted:My old Ars Magica reviews got discussion at the Atlas forums, with at least one writer thinking I had committed copyright violation and another being like 'what, no, this is excellent'. Then again, Fair Use laws can get very confusing if you're not a lawyer. As in, how much of the original material can you use before it becomes "too much"?
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I must admit I am enjoying the Guide to Glorantha summaries. I never quite got how people were confused by it's morality not being the ridiculous "lawful/ chaotic" stuff and being cultural. Plus one of the rules is always Your Glorantha Will Vary. You are encouraged to make the Lunar Empire look better/less imperialist/more imperialist/ with a rotating bunch of emperors. Its something I liked, the stories that that allows you to tell in the framework seem so interesting.
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Nessus posted:I hate to interrupt the dark reflections on the nature of war but Combat shirts, these wicking, partly camo polyester turtlenecks have been a thing since Crye Precision was working on the Future Soldier projects in the 2000s. They've become more and more commonplace for frontline forces, since they're to be worn with armor (the wicking material makes it easier to cool off with a vest or plate carrier on) along with built in elbow protection. The Ballistic Combat Shirt is a new thing, meant to replace bulky add-ons like DAPS deltoid, shoulder, and underarm protection. https://www.army.mil/article/171752/army_engineer_invents_lightweight_ballistic_combat_shirt_wins_award
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Sep 27, 2017 18:01
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open_sketchbook posted:It's called 5 Across the Heart, and I've been writing it for about three years now. It's a medium-crunchy system designed to focus on strong characterization, with a focus on character goals and ideas like self-esteem and self-image. It's powered by a pretty weird d8 system and the core mechanic is wagering little chunks of your self-worth (which is also your magic) on your short and medium-term character goals, both to advance your cause and as forms of self-care. Basically, it's Sailor Moon meets spoons theory, attached to a fast-paced, shot-clock combat system, and you make your magical powers by tailoring a costume. By any chance was this ran at Metatopia last year?
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Sep 27, 2017 18:23
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Night10194 posted:Wait, are we like, a thing people outside of SA know about. As mentioned I had a guy seek me out specifically to do a review.  (and then threaten me for LIBELING HIS TRADEMARK when my review wasn't abjectly worshipful enough for his tastes.)
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The Worshipful Company of F.A.T.A.L. Friends is one of the oldest livery companies in Sigil.
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PurpleXVI posted:As mentioned I had a guy seek me out specifically to do a review. I have no idea what the hell he thought was going to happen
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TwoWordName posted:By any chance was this ran at Metatopia last year? Yep! And I'm bringing it back this year. It's changed a lot, though.
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open_sketchbook posted:Yep! And I'm bringing it back this year. It's changed a lot, though. Oh nice! I was one of your replacement testers for the Friday game.
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Robindaybird posted:I have no idea what the hell he thought was going to happen Certainly not birdlords.
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 Starfinger Core Rules Part #02: "I mean, if Pathfinder is chocolate chip ice cream then this is chocolate chip mint ice cream." (Credit: James Sutter, Starfinger Creative Director, Game Informer interview.) Time to get right into the toybox.  We're told to create a concept. So I'm thinking about a froggy space race pilot, and he like, pilots ships using an interface built off of his arboreal race where there are levers everywhere! He has like four eyes (two on either side of its head) and has an advanced set of spatial awareness since they can see in four directions- Well, no, we can't do that, at least not yet - there are only very specific character races listed.  You lied to me, Starfinger. (Marketing'll do that.) Well, here's how it actually breaks down: choose a race package, choose a theme package, choose a class package, work out your ability scores, gain your class benefits, assign skills, choose feats, purchase equipment, choose alignment, and note a bunch of miscellaneous stuff, until you end up with processed character spread. More interestingly, you get a spaceship!... well, your group gets a starship, but we've got seven more chapters to go until we can discuss that part.Now, I'm going to assume this isn't your first d20 rodeo. If you need a primer, you can find it elsewhere. Like with my Pathfinder Roleplaying Game review! (Coming soon never: Fatal & Friends Flip-Mats.) Instead, I'm just going to talk about the changes here, mostly, such as:
Themes... ... stink. I hate to jump to being dismissive right off the cuff, but most of these are pretty dull. Back when I did my Pathfinder review, I noted "nickel bonuses" or "dime bonuses", fiddly little bonuses with miniscule impact on gameplay, which mostly just add one more thing to track without significantly impacting gameplay or providing new options. An example would be dwarves getting a +2 bonus on Appraise checks to determine the price of nonmagical goods containing precious metals or gemstones. Or gnomes getting +2 on a single Craft or Profession skill. Well, most themes offer tiny bonuses that are either nickel bonuses or weird situational poo poo, much like Pathfinder's traits. While Starfinger's traits are more robust than those of its ancestor, they're drip-fed so slowly the difference feels a bit academic. Most themes offer the following: at 1st level, you get a +1 to an attribute, a reduced DC for checks for knowledge relating to your profession by 5, and +1 to a skill roll or an additional class skill. In addition, they give more stuff at 6th, 12th, and 18th level. The 18th level is almost invariably an additional means to gain 2 extra RP a day under certain circumstances, which is an effect actually legit disappointing to see have locked away only to characters who have almost reached Starfinger's endgame.  And I could cover every one, but they don't have a major impact worth focusing too deeply on. The Bounty Hunter gives you bonuses to tracking... only while on foot... in a space setting. The Icon has what I presume is a typo because it actually makes you worse at making Profession and Culture skill rolls in some situations. It's also got the awful "Celebrity" bonus where people recognize you more easily and might help you out or not, GM's call. The Mercenary gives you a +1 to Strength when working out your carrying capacity, which will be useful in corner cases. An Outlaw can bribe the authorities to get out of legal trouble at a cost that rises based on their level, so the more competent they are, the more they pay. The gently caress? It's not all bad, an Ace Pilot gets to be a more competent pilot by reducing penalties... at 12th level, anyway. The Scholar can reroll knowledge checks every so often. A Xenoseeker can communicate and get improved impressions against unknown races - sometimes. But like most Pathfinder material, the balance is all over the place. Some are really useful, others are... well, the Icon. gently caress playing an Icon unless you're real tired of introducing yourself or something. Yay, people know who the gently caress you are! Does it matter? Who the gently caress knows?! TBH, the Icon's low-level ability is basically a punishment level for their later ability to reduce costs by 10% - which may not seem like a big deal, but... well, you'll see. It's a big deal to Starfinger.  Alternatively, you can tell themes to take a hike and just get a "generic" theme that grants an ability bonus, an extra class skill, and extra skill benefits which will be useful, so there's that. Which is nice, because there aren't that many themes and it's easily possible your concept won't neatly slot into them. Mostly, themes seem extremely conservative by d20 standards, as if thinking granting somebody notable benefits outside of a class structure might shatter balance somehow and bring the whole system crashing down. What's more, they tend to reserve their more interesting benefits for level 12+, at which point characters will be getting far cooler stuff from their classes. There's a definite hesitancy in Starfinger, as if the writers are staring warily at charop boards in remembered trauma. It's not the best start. But things'll get better before they get worse. Next: No elves! (Until the appendix.) Alien Rope Burn fucked around with this message at 22:03 on Sep 28, 2017 |
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As someone who has generally enjoyed the d20 inability to actually map out nonlethal damage mechanically which leads to stuff like "drowning your way to good health" discussions or playing the Occult Adventures beta and one of the many flaws of the Kineticist being "take nonlethal damage to power your abilities" except explained awfully, I have only the feeling that the fact that non-lethal HP is finally separate is only going to go hilariously wrong in only the way d20 can do it.
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Honestly, my favorite rules for nonlethal damage are usually along the lines of 'there is no such thing, only hurting people less.' But doing that requires there to be something more than a binary state between 'is completely capable of fighting' and 'is bleeding the gently caress out'
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Hostile V posted:As someone who has generally enjoyed the d20 inability to actually map out nonlethal damage mechanically which leads to stuff like "drowning your way to good health" discussions or playing the Occult Adventures beta and one of the many flaws of the Kineticist being "take nonlethal damage to power your abilities" except explained awfully, I have only the feeling that the fact that non-lethal HP is finally separate is only going to go hilariously wrong in only the way d20 can do it. spoilers: the stamina point/hit point divide has nothing to with dealing lethal/non-lethal damage
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Red Metal posted:spoilers: the stamina point/hit point divide has nothing to with dealing lethal/non-lethal damage
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Mors Rattus posted:Honestly, my favorite rules for nonlethal damage are usually along the lines of 'there is no such thing, only hurting people less.' But doing that requires there to be something more than a binary state between 'is completely capable of fighting' and 'is bleeding the gently caress out' I mean, a lot of that is going to come down to tone, genre, and intention.
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There is a very real problem: if you offer players choices that you intend to be flavorful roleplaying options (e.g. "my mother was a blacksmith"), but then attach benefits to those choices that help some classes/builds more than others (e.g. "+1 to hit with hammers"), then players will either a) pick the choice that gives them the best mechanical benefit, story be damned, or b) be punished for making a cool, distinctive, flavorful choice. You can make a fighter whose family are all sorcerers... but it's objectively better for you if your mother was a smith. Just like every other fighter ever. The thing is that Paizo saw this problem, and their solution was "well, what if the bonuses are really really small?". That doesn't fix the problem. I'm still pressured to be a smith's kid, the only difference is now I don't even get anything cool for doing so.
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megane posted:There is a very real problem: if you offer players choices that you intend to be flavorful roleplaying options (e.g. "my mother was a blacksmith"), but then attach benefits to those choices that help some classes/builds more than others (e.g. "+1 to hit with hammers"), then players will either a) pick the choice that gives them the best mechanical benefit, story be damned, or b) be punished for making a cool, distinctive, flavorful choice. You can make a fighter whose family are all sorcerers... but it's objectively better for you if your mother was a smith. Just like every other fighter ever. My favorite Dumb Pathfinder Thing (tm) is all the adventurers who were bullied as a child, because being bullied as a child gave you more benefits than basically anything else.
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PurpleXVI posted:As mentioned I had a guy seek me out specifically to do a review. that dude should just embrace the whole birdlord thing and make his game about it imo
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Leraika posted:My favorite Dumb Pathfinder Thing (tm) is all the adventurers who were bullied as a child, because being bullied as a child gave you more benefits than basically anything else. well that's just pandering to its fanbase
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I have disagreed with ARB before on the pathfinder issue. I do not on starfinger. What a letdown.
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Alien Rope Burn posted:A form of point buy is the default. You just start with 10 in all abilities, modify by race and theme, then add 10 more points any which way you like. Abilities can't go over 18, even with racial adjustments. There are also "quick picks" where you have an array and... gently caress, they still the option of rolling like it's 1974. Well, at least purchasing is now front and center so it's like they've progressed to at least 1994. I'm going to dispute that this exactly how 4th Edition D&D works: a point-buy is the default, a standard array is the second option that's equivalent to the point-buy, and rolled stats are a distant third option loaded with caveats. Hostile V posted:I'd like to be surprised but I can't be. I take it it's like how it works in FantasyCraft then? The purpose of the Hit Point/Stamina Point divide in Starfinder is almost purely to give players more Hit Points over the course of an entire adventuring day, without giving them more Hit Points within the span of a single encounter. It's been done before quote:Even though this variant effectively doubles a character’s number of hit points, he can’t take a beating over and over again without depleting his capacity to recover. Reserve points effectively double the number of hit points a character can lose over the course of multiple fights but do not increase the damage a character can withstand in a single fight. Except it's not quite as elegant as this 3.5-era variant rule because as ARB describes, Resolve Points are used to fuel other abilities besides restoring Stamina Points.
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So I'm playing in a Starfinder game with some friends to see what it's like. So far our impressions have been a resounding "uuuuuuuugh" and this is a group where everyone at least tolerates Pathfinder. The biggest thing that's stood out to me so far is that they looked at the problems the Truenamer had in 3.5 and just said "Hey, why don't we make every skill have that problem?"
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senrath posted:The biggest thing that's stood out to me so far is that they looked at the problems the Truenamer had in 3.5 and just said "Hey, why don't we make every skill have that problem?" HOW. WHY. (I played a Gestalt Paladin/Truenamer once)
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Night10194 posted:HOW. WHY. Unless I've missed something, skill DCs scale faster than the ability to raise your skills. For an example, learning about a monster requires a DC 5, 10, or 15 + 1.5xCR check. Oh and they nerfed Skill Focus from +3 untyped, +6 at 10 ranks to +3 insight. Edit: After a double check, as far as I can tell yes, every skill that can be used in an opposed manner scales based on 1.5x the target's CR. senrath fucked around with this message at 03:07 on Sep 28, 2017 |
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Night10194 posted:HOW. WHY. senrath posted:Unless I've missed something, skill DCs scale faster than the ability to raise your skills. For an example, learning about a monster requires a DC 5, 10, or 15 + 1.5xCR check. additionally, most starship skill DCs are (10 to 20) + 2*ship's tier, where the ship's tier will be equal to the average party level. unless you're bumping the skill's related attribute every chance you get AND you have a class feature that increases the skill, you end up falling behind the DCs really quickly and eventually reach a point where you cannot make the more difficult checks if you DO boost the attribute every chance you get AND have a class feature that increases the skill, all that happens is you fall behind more slowly
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So Starfinger themes are intended to ape 4e D&D themes except they can't be interesting because the interesting part was the powers, and Starfinger doesn't have those, right?
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open_sketchbook posted:It's called 5 Across the Heart, and I've been writing it for about three years now. It's a medium-crunchy system designed to focus on strong characterization, with a focus on character goals and ideas like self-esteem and self-image. It's powered by a pretty weird d8 system and the core mechanic is wagering little chunks of your self-worth (which is also your magic) on your short and medium-term character goals, both to advance your cause and as forms of self-care. Basically, it's Sailor Moon meets spoons theory, attached to a fast-paced, shot-clock combat system, and you make your magical powers by tailoring a costume. I'm quoting this both to express my excitement and interest and also so I can find your name and the game's name for future reference.
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Night10194 posted:HOW. WHY. Starfinder designers missed the obvious gaping hole in the math that skill ranks only go up by 1 per level, with an occasional bump from ability score modifiers, versus increasing DCs at 1.5x or 2.0x per level
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Also, as far as I can tell the +1 to a stat you get from a theme is literally worthless 99% of the time due to how stat increases work.
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senrath posted:Also, as far as I can tell the +1 to a stat you get from a theme is literally worthless 99% of the time due to how stat increases work. 3.5 has lots of feats with odd-numbered attribute prerequisites. I assume Pathfinder is similar.
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Tuxedo Catfish posted:3.5 has lots of feats with odd-numbered attribute prerequisites. I assume Pathfinder is similar. There are a handful, but most of them are things that would typically only be taken by characters that already want that stat to be high.
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It's not like Pathfinder had any thought put into its design. Why would its 'sequel' be any different?
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gradenko_2000 posted:I'm going to dispute that this exactly how 4th Edition D&D works: a point-buy is the default, a standard array is the second option that's equivalent to the point-buy, and rolled stats are a distant third option loaded with caveats. It is, but it was nearly a decade ago and I thought it was bullshit back then. gradenko_2000 posted:The purpose of the Hit Point/Stamina Point divide in Starfinder is almost purely to give players more Hit Points over the course of an entire adventuring day, without giving them more Hit Points within the span of a single encounter. Yeah, essentially this. Since Stamina Points comprise somewhere in the vicinity of half your damage-taking capacity and it just takes a short rest and 1 RP to recharge them in full, in theory you should have enough Resolve Points to get through several encounters before having to rest. HP damage is harder to recover. You'd think that'd keep you from having to field an ersatz cleric in your party, right? Well... it'd be nice if that was true. It'd be nice. But we'll get to that. In practice, this flow depends on you having to manage your RP properly, and if you go down, RP can drain fast, but we'll get to that later. You can also end up in situations where some characters have more RP-draining abilities than others and end up "out of sync" with the rest of the party, becoming the archetypal out-of-shape dork of the party that's like hey guys, slow down, I can't run so fast, gosh. Lastly, if you're running extremely low RP, like 0-2, you're very vulnerable to death at 0 HP, since spending RP is used in place of survival rolls. Granted, I think survival rolls were pretty bad for a game dependent on long campaign play, but this just changes the nature of the issue rather than fixing it. senrath posted:Also, as far as I can tell the +1 to a stat you get from a theme is literally worthless 99% of the time due to how stat increases work. Largely so. Because stats can only max out at 18 to start irregardless, all the +1 really matters for is feat qualification, because they kept that sacred cow on life support. Certainly, because of how traits give an odd bonus, this means you're gonna have an odd-numbered attribute, which may be a bee in some bonnets. The other twist of an odd-numbered attribute is that you basically end up having to pay an extra advancement over an even attribute if you want to take it from 15 or lower to 18. You get enough attribute bumps that it's not a glaring issue, but it means you probably don't want that +1 in an attribute you're planning to raise real high, ironically, unless you're looking to qualify for a feat early.
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 Chapter 4: Arcana - Hermetic Arcane FX  The Hermeticism arcana is pretty short, compared to Diabolism and Enochian arcana, and there's really not a whole lot of fluff to cover. There's a couple paragraphs about how Hermeticism started as ritual spells discovered by the ancient Egyptians and their teachings were coded behind ciphers and hidden passages, but the long and the short of it is that Hermeticism is a D&D Wizard. It's the only Arcane FX to actually have rules governing how a character learns Hermetic spells; imagine having to roll a knowledge check to see if you can decode the spell and write it into your spell book like an D&D Wizard and you're on the right track. If you fail to scribe the spell, you can't try again until you improve your language skill for the language in which the original copy is written etc. etc. Oh also, Hermetic spells all have some kind of Critical Failure chance, but there's no flimsy, in-setting justification for why. And, some of the spells randomly have material components listed, but some do not; evidently the designers couldn't agree on just how close to a D&D wizard they wanted this arcane school to hew. Intelligence: Hermetic - Daedalus Improved is just a re-skin of the D&D Wizard spell Flight. It's just as busted here as it can be in D&D; arguably even more so, because of the relative rarity of verifiable arcane power in-setting. You fly like Superman (no wings) and if you try to fly under water or through the vacuum of space this spell still works (although it doesn't provide the means to survive those environments). Critical Failure: You suffer from vertigo and all of your actions made over the next 60 seconds take a +2 penalty and your natural movement speeds are reduced by half for the same duration.  The section for Hermeticism doesn't have dick for art either, so here's some pictures that are vaguely associated with the nonsense I'm typing. Daedalus Improved allows you to fly kinda like this, except you'd be asphyxiating and/or explosively decompressing at the same time. Still, what a rush! Intelligence: Hermetic - Glamour is a combination of multiple spells from the D&D school of Illusion but the end result is an extremely versatile illusion spell that is really hard for anyone to disbelieve (+3 penalty to all attempts to disbelieve) unless you incorporate blatantly fantastic elements into the illusion (like green pigs reciting The Canterbury Tales in the original middle-English verse). The illusion lasts for one hour and can cover a total area of 30 m2 unless you walk further than 30 meters away from the illusion, in which case it continues to persist for d6 minutes before petering out. Critical Failure: Whoops you illusion yourself and take a +1 penalty to all actions for the next hour as your brain struggles to differentiate between reality and the whammy you just cast on yourself.  If you try and make your illusion resemble an artistic depiction from the late 14th century of one of the Canterbury Tales, your victims get a bonus to disbelieve your illusion. IMO don't duplicate two images of Richard II in the same illusion and you should be fine. Intelligence: Hermetic - Homunculus allows you to build your own familiar, so it's basically a re-skin of the D&D Wizard Find Familiar spell. You get all the same benefits - you can command it telepathically and share senses and etc. - but it always looks like a little shitgoblin no matter what formula you follow. Critical Failure: The shitgoblin turns against you and seeks out one of your foes and pledges to become your foe's life-long servant and assist in bringing about your ruin. Interestingly, you still get all of the other features like telepathic communication and sense sharing, the shitgoblin just hates your guts.  I pulled this picture from the Dark*Matter bestiary because holy gently caress look at it. It's like the old Simpsons joke "My life is pain kill me now" because you can really see why this little shitgoblin might wish it never existed in the first place. Intelligence: Hermetic - Ligature is Hold Person. Nothing more, nothing less, but it's an even better save or suck ability in a game that doesn't have saving throws or a myriad of ways to counter or remove harmful magical effects. Critical Failure: You cast Hold Person on yourself. D'oh! Intelligence: Hermetic - Shapechange is Polymorph and it's just as crazy busted in Dark*Matter as it is in every iteration D&D. You can morph into any creature for which you own a well-tanned hide, including non-terrestrial beings or supernatural outsiders (although the latter two impose a slight penalty on the attempt). Critical Failure: You get your sense wires crossed and hear color and taste sound and everything is all FUBAR for an hour, which of course only imparts a +1 penalty to all of your actions. This is literally the same penalty as the Glamour Critical Fail and I'm unclear on whether that was intentional or not. Intelligence: Hermetic - Sleep of Morpheus is Sleep. Goddamn, they just took a highlight reel of the busted poo poo a D&D Wizard can do and slightly changed the name of each spell but otherwise left the functionality intact. All of these spells are even more OP in Dark*Matter than they would be in D&D because the Alternity system doesn't have Saving Throws and there's no Hit Dice threshold to block the effect. Resisting any of these hostile effects requires the victim to make a successful skill check with a specific skill and if the victim doesn't have that skill, no matter how high their level, they're going to suck poo poo and become affected by the spell. Critical Failure: You fall asleep like you just swallowed two Ambien and chased them with a whole flask of rye whiskey. Intelligence: Hermetic - Transmutation is what everyone thinks of when they hear the word alchemy, except it works. If you can't come up with ways for your wizard to loving wreck the global economy once they learn this spell, your imagination is irreparably atrophied. There's bonuses and penalties for trying to convert unlike elements into dissimilar physical states (liquid > solid, for example) but who loving cares, once you can cast this spell the entire system just falls apart. The only real mitigating limitation is GM fiat, so as long as you can win a game of "Mother, May I?" your options for breaking poo poo are limitless. Critical Failure: Oh no something in your process imposed a flaw in your creation. Who loving cares being able to reliably and predictably perform literal alchemy is worth whatever incidental 5% critical failure flaw you encounter. That actually completes all of the Schools of Arcana for Chapter 4! Next, I will slog through the 3 schools of divine magic!
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