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Byolante posted:The problem with the whole punch a nazi schtick is that it only holds up if you are defending your community from nazis. Doing the equivalent of a 14 year old advertising an open invite party on facebook is pretty clearly not defending your community from a nazi. Its a shame the nazi didn't press charges to be honest because this poo poo is getting out of control and its spreading. There are nazi stickers starting to appear on campus here in Australia, in the past I had only seen nazi iconography in historical FPS games and the army disposals store who had a loving collection of SS daggers in a glass case. The questionable upside is the freedom of speech provision in Australia is only implied and if nazi sticker dude gets caught hes on a one way trip to a section 18c conviction. "Hey guys there's a Nazi roaming around just a heads up" leading to "oh he's here" leading to people mobilizing is all defending your community, you quisling
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Byolante posted:The only difference between the run of the mill illinois nazi and the inner city poor is what drug is destroying their community and who they turned to for help. They are both shat on by the rich. The traditionalist workers party exists for a reason. But no keep on dividing a class based on racial lines like the people in power want you to. The trad workers party is a white supremacist organization quisling. They exist because they wanted to try to appear legitimate.
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:I wonder if this Byolante guy is a good faith poster I can't punch him so I'm just going to patiently explain reality until I get out of work
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Never underestimate the power of boredom on a night shift
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gently caress Whitey posted:The trad workers party is a white supremacist organization quisling. They exist because they wanted to try to appear legitimate. Theread workers party mix blood and soil white supremacy with common tafe unionist messaging and are successful in meeting the two together to attract disenfranchised poor white people. You need to be forming real trade unions to combat white supremacist trade union larpers.
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Byolante posted:Theread workers party mix blood and soil white supremacy with common tafe unionist messaging and are successful in meeting the two together to attract disenfranchised poor white people. You need to be forming real trade unions to combat white supremacist trade union larpers. Trade unions are bad and reactionary. We need industrial unions.
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:Trade unions are bad and reactionary. We need industrial unions. The trades are fine for now and are the only organizations really representing the left in political circles. They're desperate for new blood and should be entered with the purpose of (re)radicalizing them Edit: Yeah the trades have a hosed up history especially wrt letting PoCs in, but they have solidarity and activism that most leftists dream of Business Gorillas has issued a correction as of 15:05 on Sep 23, 2017 |
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nazis are very bad, imo
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:Trade unions are bad and reactionary. We need industrial unions. Trade unions are more important because your employment and the struggle against your employer is something that gives you common cause with disparate people of various backgrounds. Its really easy to build solidarity when you are fighting towards the same result that is beneficial to all and then once you get a good result you start seeing the Other as just another person you fought with against the fatcat upstairs. That and bussing are the best ways to break racism.
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trade unions are good because my EBA got me 3 percentage point pay increases a year and I can have a paid day off every two weeks if I like without touching my annual leave
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Business Gorillas posted:The trades are fine for now and are the only organizations really representing the left in political circles. They're desperate for new blood and should be entered with the purpose of (re)radicalizing them racial homogeneity has a way of doin' that yes
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nazis? bad.
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Sep 23, 2017 19:05
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an actual dog posted:nazis? bad. nuclear take
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put this in the OP https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NrFm3ELbXtY
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Lindsey O. Graham posted:racial homogeneity has a way of doin' that yes shut up senator graham.
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Lindsey O. Graham posted:racial homogeneity has a way of doin' that yes hahahah you said homo
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Byolante posted:Trade unions are more important because your employment and the struggle against your employer is something that gives you common cause with disparate people of various backgrounds. Its really easy to build solidarity when you are fighting towards the same result that is beneficial to all and then once you get a good result you start seeing the Other as just another person you fought with against the fatcat upstairs. That and bussing are the best ways to break racism. It doesn't give you common cause with disparate people, it gives you common cause with your fellow tradesmen. Trade Unions have a tendency towards NIMBYism where they don't care about the struggles of people in other industries or trades - so long as they themselves get a fair deal from capital. Labor Federations try to resolve this problem by collectivizing the struggles of trade unions, but labor federations are also prone to in-fighting and fracturing based on self-interest or the federations' own capitulation to capital. The long-term gradual decline of union representation is a fundamental failure of trade unionism to construct the working class solidarity which is necessary. Granted, even the ability to perform solidarity strikes are illegal under US law - but the longshoremen defy those laws all the time to strike in solidarity with dock workers in foreign countries. American labor in general must be willing to defy anti-labor laws as well.
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ate poo poo on live tv posted:shut up senator graham. cat got your tongue?
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:It doesn't give you common cause with disparate people, it gives you common cause with your fellow tradesmen. Trade Unions have a tendency towards NIMBYism where they don't care about the struggles of people in other industries or trades - so long as they themselves get a fair deal from capital. Labor Federations try to resolve this problem by collectivizing the struggles of trade unions, but labor federations are also prone to in-fighting and fracturing based on self-interest or the federations' own capitulation to capital. I can't really comment on US unions but in Australia we dont have a 'local electricians number 24' or whatever they have in the states, instead we have massive groups like the Construction Forestry Mining & Energy Union I'm not sure if that's what you mean by a 'labor federation' but it works pretty well over here 
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also Jack Hammerman is going to be my username one day
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Slugnoid posted:I can't really comment on US unions but in Australia we dont have a 'local electricians number 24' or whatever they have in the states, instead we have massive groups like the Construction Forestry Mining & Energy Union I'm not sure if that's what you mean by a 'labor federation' but it works pretty well over here Yeah, the CFMEU is more like a labor federation than a strict trade union.
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:Yeah, the CFMEU is more like a labor federation than a strict trade union. I'm Australian and in an Australian union (said cfmeu mentioned above). I only really know about British and Australian unions since i was born after Carter and as such my entire life US labor has been a total poo poo show.
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berkley spent 800k on security for milo but cant find the money to pause their teacher layoffs...
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got any sevens posted:berkley spent 800k on security for milo but cant find the money to pause their teacher layoffs... free speech
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nazis are fairly terrible. not good.
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an actual dog posted:nazis are fairly terrible. not good. i would rather not see a nazi
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let's all play Yahtzee instead
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I think the number of nazis in the world is too many. should be fewer nazis
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an actual dog posted:I think the number of nazis in the world is too many. should be fewer nazis 
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Update on saying "gently caress you, Nazi" to an honest to gently caress Neo-Nazi on the clock: Fired a week later exactly. Such bravery from HR, to not condemn Nazis, lest they become the Nazis.
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KiteAuraan posted:Update on saying "gently caress you, Nazi" to an honest to gently caress Neo-Nazi on the clock: Fired a week later exactly. This is legit hosed up, and I'm sorry you got fired for doing the right thing. Let me know if there is anything we can do to help.
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Koalas March posted:This is legit hosed up, and I'm sorry you got fired for doing the right thing. Nah, I have a good fall back, though I do really appreciate the offer, but yeah, apparently Nazis can just parade around now. KiteAuraan has issued a correction as of 11:45 on Sep 28, 2017 |
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KiteAuraan posted:Update on saying "gently caress you, Nazi" to an honest to gently caress Neo-Nazi on the clock: Fired a week later exactly. You should probably name and shame the company because its hosed they would do that and deserve to get raked over the coals in the media but expressions of personal politics in a company space is a very dangerous place to tread in terms of not being fired by shits more concerned with a customer's hurt feelings than common decency. This is why unions and fighting against right to work is a vital part of reclaiming the left.
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KiteAuraan posted:Update on saying "gently caress you, Nazi" to an honest to gently caress Neo-Nazi on the clock: Fired a week later exactly. So you accused someone of being Nazi whereas no one else was privy to the same information you had? Seem very prudent to fire someone like that. *sees someone wearing a polo shirt in an office environment* "gently caress YOU NAZI." *Everyone stares, shakes their head then averts their eyes and tries to get away from the crazy worker screaming about nazis* "I can't believe I got fired!"
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ate poo poo on live tv posted:So you accused someone of being Nazi whereas no one else was privy to the same information you had? Seem very prudent to fire someone like that. Byolante posted:You should probably name and shame the company because its hosed they would do that and deserve to get raked over the coals in the media but expressions of personal politics in a company space is a very dangerous place to tread in terms of not being fired by shits more concerned with a customer's hurt feelings than common decency. This is why unions and fighting against right to work is a vital part of reclaiming the left. signed, two guys who are really terrified about being identified as nazis for some reason
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ate poo poo on live tv posted:So you accused someone of being Nazi whereas no one else was privy to the same information you had? Seem very prudent to fire someone like that. To be in a position to shout gently caress you nazi at a customer the poster was probably working in hospitality or retail. I could very well believe that some scumbag in a hitler did nothing wrong tshirt wanted to get a super size meal deal after the harrowing experience of having to walk across a park holding a sign.
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Al! posted:signed, two guys who are really terrified about being identified as nazis for some reason Ate poo poo's post looks like appologia but what in mine was me running interference for nazis? I was arguing for stronger worker protections so that when you shout gently caress you nazi the company can't sack you for it. Maybe you are seeing things that aren't there, are you Louise Mensch in disguise?
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ate poo poo on live tv posted:So you accused someone of being Nazi whereas no one else was privy to the same information you had? Seem very prudent to fire someone like that. The big Neo-Nazi tattoos and sweater with a giant SS on it were pretty telling, to be fair.
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