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bitterandtwisted
Sep 4, 2006




Little Britain was never good.

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Gum
Mar 9, 2008

oho, a rapist
time to try this puppy out

bitterandtwisted posted:

Britain was never good.

muscles like this!
Jan 17, 2005


bitterandtwisted posted:

There was an episode of Bullshit about the fitness industry and they raised some valid points but the overall message was Penn screaming "I'm just big booooned!" into the void.

I gave up on the show when they started defending sweatshops.

The funny thing is that years later he lost a bunch of weight.

Krispy Wafer
Jul 26, 2002

I shouted out "Free the exposed 67"
But they stood on my hair and told me I was fat

Grimey Drawer

muscles like this! posted:

The funny thing is that years later he lost a bunch of weight.

But he looks weird and uglier skinny, so he really was big boned.

ModernMajorGeneral
Jun 25, 2010

EmmyOk posted:

I've been watching Yes, Minister and in many way's it's aged incredibly well. It's from the 1980s but it had an episode about a Big Brother style database and it was amazing how similar it was to discussions around privacy and security around the time of the Snowden leaks and still now. However every now and then it has a drunk driving scene that's treated as funny and just a bit cheeky. Obviously that's something that was acceptable back then it just stands out all the more for how ahead of its time so many of its episodes are.

I thought this was a great Yes Minister bit which hasn't aged a day.

The episode where the PM outsmarts the Foreign Office to send a military intervention to heroically save the day in a developing country is probably an example that fits in this thread though.

well why not
Feb 10, 2009




That's a great bit, it would apply perfectly to most organisations today.

Tiggum
Oct 24, 2007

Your life and your quest end here.


hawowanlawow posted:

"drink driving"

What about it?

Strom Cuzewon
Jul 1, 2010

Foxhound posted:

You wanna see gory PSAs? CHeck out this canadian one.

:nms: face scalding gore.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KSU4g2wL9Oc

I absolutely love PSAs, and always end up diving right down the rabbit hole whenever this conversation comes up.

Except for these ones. There is no way im clicking that link. I saw them once like ten years ago, and now I'm staying the hell away.

Pastry of the Year
Apr 12, 2013

LORD OF BOOTY posted:

Achewood is kind of gross like that at times. Actually, pretty often.

It's honestly really surprising that its fanbase is as hard-left as it is.

Achewood was often exceptionally mean, but no one was spared. There weren't any protected species that were above its abuse.

Taken as a body of work, it's also one of the sharpest, best-written things I've ever read, so there's that.

purple death ray
Jul 28, 2007

me omw 2 steal ur girl

Achewood is really well written and very good but it's ok to admit it's extremely dude-centric and steeped in a sort of casual frat bro sexism. It's one of my favorite comics ever on the internet or otherwise regardless but I try not to let that blind me to the fairly cliche way it treats women.

Like: the only female characters, at all, in the entire strip, are people's mothers or girlfriends, and I don't think any of them ever interact.

EmmyOk
Aug 11, 2013

ModernMajorGeneral posted:

I thought this was a great Yes Minister bit which hasn't aged a day.

The episode where the PM outsmarts the Foreign Office to send a military intervention to heroically save the day in a developing country is probably an example that fits in this thread though.

I thought that episode was very progressive and then the end was so good that today it'd still be progressive today. Where Sarah quits to take a better job in a bank because she doesn't just want to be the departments token of "look how progressive we are we promoted a woman very highly".

Krispy Wafer
Jul 26, 2002

I shouted out "Free the exposed 67"
But they stood on my hair and told me I was fat

Grimey Drawer
Maybe we should call this 'media that hasn't aged well.'

Because I'm listening to the audiobook of IT (last read it 25 years ago) and holy poo poo every time the Richie character goes into his black person voice. Perhaps that will be removed from the sequel like the child gang bang was from the first movie.

e X
Feb 23, 2013

cool but crude

lifg posted:

I'm starting to think that pedophilia was just way more accepted in the recent past than now.

I mean, this was acceptable at one point (magazine ad, work safe) https://thesocietypages.org/socimages/files/2008/11/2827376480_4db0294b1d_o.jpg

That is a pretty sad fact, but yes. Though, I think it was less pedophilia specifically, and more the super hosed-up way society viewed male and female sexuality and the issue of consent. Basically, if you talk to somebody in your grandparents generation, especially when they lived in a more rural area, you will get an depressing amount of stories about grandfathers and uncles who got "a little grabby" when they were drunk. Hell, the whole redneck incest stereotype persists till today. But the truly terrible thing is how normalized the whole thing was, in a "men will be men" kind of way.

Krispy Wafer
Jul 26, 2002

I shouted out "Free the exposed 67"
But they stood on my hair and told me I was fat

Grimey Drawer
Is age of consent a relatively recent thing? I mean you hear about poo poo going on with celebrities and rock stars in the 1970's and there's no way that was isolated to the rich and famous.

I feel like Baby Boomers and the Greatest Generation retro-conned a lot of terrible stuff to make the past look more Ozzie and Harriet. Lolita was titillating because the title character was 12, which is as young as you can get and have her still be a woman. Would anyone have even cared if she was 14?

Wheat Loaf
Feb 13, 2012

by FactsAreUseless

Krispy Wafer posted:

I feel like Baby Boomers and the Greatest Generation retro-conned a lot of terrible stuff to make the past look more Ozzie and Harriet. Lolita was titillating because the title character was 12, which is as young as you can get and have her still be a woman. Would anyone have even cared if she was 14?

If Wikipedia is to be believed, Aretha Franklin's father is supposed to have fathered a child by a 12-year old member of his congregation in 1940.

DrBouvenstein
Feb 28, 2007

I think I'm a doctor, but that doesn't make me a doctor. This fancy avatar does.

Tiggum posted:

What about it?

It's a silly thing to call it.

It's drunk driving. You're driving while drunk.

You're not driving while drink, that doesn't make any sense.

Pastry of the Year
Apr 12, 2013

DrBouvenstein posted:

It's a silly thing to call it.

It's drunk driving. You're driving while drunk.

You're not driving while drink, that doesn't make any sense.

most Australian slang was concocted while drunk, if that explains anything

Arivia
Mar 17, 2011

Krispy Wafer posted:

Is age of consent a relatively recent thing? I mean you hear about poo poo going on with celebrities and rock stars in the 1970's and there's no way that was isolated to the rich and famous.

I feel like Baby Boomers and the Greatest Generation retro-conned a lot of terrible stuff to make the past look more Ozzie and Harriet. Lolita was titillating because the title character was 12, which is as young as you can get and have her still be a woman. Would anyone have even cared if she was 14?

Lolita wasn't meant to be titillating at all. It was meant to be horrifying.

RagnarokAngel
Oct 5, 2006

Black Magic Extraordinaire

bitterandtwisted posted:

There was an episode of Bullshit about the fitness industry and they raised some valid points but the overall message was Penn screaming "I'm just big booooned!" into the void.

I gave up on the show when they started defending sweatshops.

Dont forget "The Americans with Disabilities Act is a sham to make those with handicaps feel less capable!"

Spuckuk
Aug 11, 2009

Being a bastard works



Arivia posted:

Lolita wasn't meant to be titillating at all. It was meant to be horrifying.

Yeah, this, not sure how you could really get any other meaning from it, unlessss...

Choco1980
Feb 22, 2013

I fell in love with a Video Nasty

Krispy Wafer posted:

Maybe we should call this 'media that hasn't aged well.'

Because I'm listening to the audiobook of IT (last read it 25 years ago) and holy poo poo every time the Richie character goes into his black person voice. Perhaps that will be removed from the sequel like the child gang bang was from the first movie.

Since my nerd senses found out about how King kinda has a shared metaverse throughout like...EVERYTHING he's written, and my gf is a big King nerd, I've started listening to audiobooks of his stuff, and me being me means I have to go in chronological order. I'm right now like, 2/3rds of the way through The Stand, so I've got a handful of books under my belt. It's not bad stories, but maaaaan, King sure likes to pepper his early work with the N-Word. Like, he uses it not from a narrative perspective, but like, from the individuals saying it as part of who they are and all, but sometimes the good guys say it too and it's super awkward. Recently in The Stand there was another cringe-worthy moment where a character mentions how a lady "doesn't look like a lesbian" when she is one.

Speaking of The Stand, it's the 1990 Uncut edition being (poorly) read, wherein King added the big chunk of stuff that the editor made him remove originally for length, but he also says in the forward how he also tried to update a lot of pop cultural references as well the time frame, because I guess King doesn't like that his early stuff can be seen as period pieces now. And boy does he blow it at one point. There's a major character who before the plague hits and changes the world is a rock star who just got his big break when a song he wrote himself becomes a rising single. I'm pretty sure King didn't even touch this section as the song, "Baby Can You Dig Your Man?" was first optioned by Neil Diamond, and once it's a hit, shows up on Soul Train. In 1990. Because those are all things that would happen to the same song in that year.

bitterandtwisted
Sep 4, 2006




I read "Finders Keeper" recently, not having read King before.
It was decent enough, but there were a lot of pop culture references to stuff that's big now like Game of Thrones that served no purpose but made me think of how dated the book would be to anyone reading it ten years from now.

RagnarokAngel
Oct 5, 2006

Black Magic Extraordinaire

bitterandtwisted posted:

I read "Finders Keeper" recently, not having read King before.
It was decent enough, but there were a lot of pop culture references to stuff that's big now like Game of Thrones that served no purpose but made me think of how dated the book would be to anyone reading it ten years from now.

Yeah that's...a lot of King honestly.

Sweevo
Nov 8, 2007

i sometimes throw cables away

i mean straight into the bin without spending 10+ years in the box of might-come-in-handy-someday first

im a fucking monster

Spuckuk posted:

Yeah, this, not sure how you could really get any other meaning from it, unlessss...

A whole lot of people who haven't read it seem to think Lolita is "A Perverts Guide to Why Kiddy Fuckin' Is Awsome"

Arivia
Mar 17, 2011
It’s a great book, but it’s not meant to be uncritically sexy. Nabokov is a great writer who enjoys playing with the reader so I can see someone getting turned on - but his point is that you then need to take a cold drink of water and think for a very long time about how hosed up that is she’s only twelve you lech

54 40 or fuck
Jan 4, 2012

No Yanda's allowed

bitterandtwisted posted:

There was an episode of Bullshit about the fitness industry and they raised some valid points but the overall message was Penn screaming "I'm just big booooned!" into the void.

I gave up on the show when they started defending sweatshops.

Lol no joke episode of wife swap with him, he actively discourages his son from engaging in physical activities like riding his bike.

Sunswipe
Feb 5, 2016

by Fluffdaddy

lemon-lyme disease posted:

It's hard for me to tell if certain episodes of that show have aged well or not because I often (or at least sometimes) disagree/d with their politics from the get-go. It's a well put-together program on the whole though.

Part of the problem is something QI acknowledged as well: what was considered a fact at the time a show is made can later be found to be false. I'm sure I remember Penn saying that he'd wanted the last show of the series to be "The Bullshit of Bullshit!" addressing shows where understanding of the topics covered had changed.

TF2 HAT MINING RIG posted:

Not tv, but in the original Meatballs (which is kind of dull overall) I remember somebody casually uses the term ‘jailbait’ or something similar and woah no thanks movie.
Not quite sure what the problem is here, but I've not seen Meatballs.

Krispy Wafer
Jul 26, 2002

I shouted out "Free the exposed 67"
But they stood on my hair and told me I was fat

Grimey Drawer

Choco1980 posted:

Since my nerd senses found out about how King kinda has a shared metaverse throughout like...EVERYTHING he's written, and my gf is a big King nerd, I've started listening to audiobooks of his stuff, and me being me means I have to go in chronological order. I'm right now like, 2/3rds of the way through The Stand, so I've got a handful of books under my belt. It's not bad stories, but maaaaan, King sure likes to pepper his early work with the N-Word. Like, he uses it not from a narrative perspective, but like, from the individuals saying it as part of who they are and all, but sometimes the good guys say it too and it's super awkward. Recently in The Stand there was another cringe-worthy moment where a character mentions how a lady "doesn't look like a lesbian" when she is one.

Speaking of The Stand, it's the 1990 Uncut edition being (poorly) read, wherein King added the big chunk of stuff that the editor made him remove originally for length, but he also says in the forward how he also tried to update a lot of pop cultural references as well the time frame, because I guess King doesn't like that his early stuff can be seen as period pieces now. And boy does he blow it at one point. There's a major character who before the plague hits and changes the world is a rock star who just got his big break when a song he wrote himself becomes a rising single. I'm pretty sure King didn't even touch this section as the song, "Baby Can You Dig Your Man?" was first optioned by Neil Diamond, and once it's a hit, shows up on Soul Train. In 1990. Because those are all things that would happen to the same song in that year.

Huh...I read the original Stand and later listened to the uncut audiobook edition and I don't recall anything updated. There was definitely new content, but I thought it all stayed in the original period.

I'm not sure I mind the N word as much since so much of his stuff takes place in the past or deals with evil and rot just beneath the surface. There's a book series called Hap & Leonard that came out in the 1990 and is set in 1980's Texas so there's a lot of N-words. Enough that I've had to quickly shut off my car radio in drive thru's and parking deck entrances. The characters aged in real time through the book series so by the time the author was writing post-9/11 that was mostly ditched.

They're two seasons into a TV show version which by season 4 will feel really dated since that involved a ring of bikers selling VHS tapes of gay bashing.

Spuckuk posted:

Yeah, this, not sure how you could really get any other meaning from it, unlessss...

The reviews of the time called it the filthiest book ever written. I have to imagine a large number of people bought it because it was taboo, not because it shone a critical eye at how we sexualize youth. So it doesn't matter if the book is meant to disgust if the reader buys it to be turned on.

I went back and looked up some of the reviews and yes, they were pretty adamant it was terrible and should kill any lustful thought you might have even momentarily harbored. But the NYT's reviewer said on his first reading, an abbreviated version (that of course still had sexy 12 year olds) was the funniest book he ever read. It was only the uncut copy that turned it into one of the saddest books he's ever read. So it definitely hit on some undercurrent that landed uncomfortably close to the truth.

Sunswipe
Feb 5, 2016

by Fluffdaddy

Krispy Wafer posted:

The reviews of the time called it the filthiest book ever written. I have to imagine a large number of people bought it because it was taboo, not because it shone a critical eye at how we sexualize youth. So it doesn't matter if the book is meant to disgust if the reader buys it to be turned on.

I went back and looked up some of the reviews and yes, they were pretty adamant it was terrible and should kill any lustful thought you might have even momentarily harbored. But the NYT's reviewer said on his first reading, an abbreviated version (that of course still had sexy 12 year olds) was the funniest book he ever read. It was only the uncut copy that turned it into one of the saddest books he's ever read. So it definitely hit on some undercurrent that landed uncomfortably close to the truth.

I've not read Lolita, but reviews aren't always a good source of information. A lot of reviews at the time of the Brasseye Paedophile Special would have you believe it was basically child pornography, and was somehow being swapped around in prisons on VHS tape. What prisoners were playing these tapes on was never addressed.

Aesop Poprock
Oct 21, 2008


Grimey Drawer

Sunswipe posted:

I've not read Lolita, but reviews aren't always a good source of information. A lot of reviews at the time of the Brasseye Paedophile Special would have you believe it was basically child pornography, and was somehow being swapped around in prisons on VHS tape. What prisoners were playing these tapes on was never addressed.

Prisons usually have vhs or dvd players

SpacePig
Apr 4, 2007

I'M FEELING JIMMY

Aesop Poprock posted:

Prisons usually have vhs or dvd players

I'm pretty sure a guard would notice a prisoner watching child porn on the prison AV cart or whatever.

spog
Aug 7, 2004

It's your own bloody fault.

SpacePig posted:

I'm pretty sure a guard would notice a prisoner watching child porn on the prison AV cart or whatever.

Kudos to the prison visitor who managed to smuggle a VHS cassette in their rectum.

Aesop Poprock
Oct 21, 2008


Grimey Drawer

SpacePig posted:

I'm pretty sure a guard would notice a prisoner watching child porn on the prison AV cart or whatever.

Depends on what kind of prison we're talking about here, I've heard of some where the guards would probably just sit down and watch it with them

The Bloop
Jul 5, 2004

by Fluffdaddy

SpacePig posted:

I'm pretty sure a guard would notice a prisoner watching child porn on the prison AV cart or whatever.

"Whaddya gonna do? Throw me in jail?"

bean_shadow
Sep 27, 2005

If men had uteruses they'd be called duderuses.

Krispy Wafer posted:

Maybe we should call this 'media that hasn't aged well.'

Because I'm listening to the audiobook of IT (last read it 25 years ago) and holy poo poo every time the Richie character goes into his black person voice. Perhaps that will be removed from the sequel like the child gang bang was from the first movie.

Stephen King’s Jim Crow voice appears A LOT in his books and they are all cringe inducing.

I too am re-reading IT.

SiKboy
Oct 28, 2007

Oh no!😱

DrBouvenstein posted:

It's a silly thing to call it.

It's drunk driving. You're driving while drunk.

You're not driving while drink, that doesn't make any sense.

You've had a drink, now you are driving. A person doesnt have to be drunk to be impaired enough to gently caress up and kill themselves and possibly someone who doesnt deserve it too. "Sure, I've had a few drinks, but I'm not DRUNK...". As a name for it, it makes sense.

Atmus
Mar 8, 2002

Krispy Wafer posted:

Plus the Seinfeld universe was disconcertingly racially pure and I can't help but imagine all of them having some part in the reporting and deportation of undesirables to whatever dystopian government agency handled those matters.

That actually happened in one episode, unless that was the joke.

Alhazred
Feb 16, 2011




Sunswipe posted:

Part of the problem is something QI acknowledged as well: what was considered a fact at the time a show is made can later be found to be false. I'm sure I remember Penn saying that he'd wanted the last show of the series to be "The Bullshit of Bullshit!" addressing shows where understanding of the topics covered had changed.
That's not really the problem with "Bullshit". Penn even freely admits that even if he had all the new information about stuff like second hand smoking the episode wouldn't be all that different because he still believe that the government shouldn't ban it.

SEX BURRITO
Jun 30, 2007

Not much fun

Wheat Loaf posted:

Little Britain has aged badly but it's pretty astounding how quickly it happened.

Matt Lucas has admitted that he wouldn't do the black characters if he did the show over again: https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2017/oct/03/matt-lucas-little-britain-remake-would-not-play-black-character

I heard Matt Lucas on a podcast talking about the show. Honestly, he kind of pissed me off because he won't just admit that certain sketches were awful. Like he defends the black face thing as 'I was doing a big, over the top character who happened to be black. But we made fun of all races so it's ok!' The only thing he expressed the slightest remorse for is that some gay people got bullied with the 'only gay in the village' catchphrase.

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Sarcopenia
May 14, 2014

SEX BURRITO posted:

Matt Lucas has admitted that he wouldn't do the black characters if he did the show over again: https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2017/oct/03/matt-lucas-little-britain-remake-would-not-play-black-character

I heard Matt Lucas on a podcast talking about the show. Honestly, he kind of pissed me off because he won't just admit that certain sketches were awful. Like he defends the black face thing as 'I was doing a big, over the top character who happened to be black. But we made fun of all races so it's ok!' The only thing he expressed the slightest remorse for is that some gay people got bullied with the 'only gay in the village' catchphrase.

What was his feelings about yellowface?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3F0TdKXrGc

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