Little Britain was never good.
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# ? Oct 4, 2017 09:49 |
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# ? Mar 28, 2024 21:01 |
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bitterandtwisted posted:Britain was never good.
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# ? Oct 4, 2017 09:50 |
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bitterandtwisted posted:There was an episode of Bullshit about the fitness industry and they raised some valid points but the overall message was Penn screaming "I'm just big booooned!" into the void. The funny thing is that years later he lost a bunch of weight.
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# ? Oct 4, 2017 10:10 |
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muscles like this! posted:The funny thing is that years later he lost a bunch of weight. But he looks weird and uglier skinny, so he really was big boned.
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# ? Oct 4, 2017 10:32 |
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EmmyOk posted:I've been watching Yes, Minister and in many way's it's aged incredibly well. It's from the 1980s but it had an episode about a Big Brother style database and it was amazing how similar it was to discussions around privacy and security around the time of the Snowden leaks and still now. However every now and then it has a drunk driving scene that's treated as funny and just a bit cheeky. Obviously that's something that was acceptable back then it just stands out all the more for how ahead of its time so many of its episodes are. I thought this was a great Yes Minister bit which hasn't aged a day. The episode where the PM outsmarts the Foreign Office to send a military intervention to heroically save the day in a developing country is probably an example that fits in this thread though.
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# ? Oct 4, 2017 10:33 |
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That's a great bit, it would apply perfectly to most organisations today.
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# ? Oct 4, 2017 11:25 |
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hawowanlawow posted:"drink driving" What about it?
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# ? Oct 4, 2017 11:50 |
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Foxhound posted:You wanna see gory PSAs? CHeck out this canadian one. I absolutely love PSAs, and always end up diving right down the rabbit hole whenever this conversation comes up. Except for these ones. There is no way im clicking that link. I saw them once like ten years ago, and now I'm staying the hell away.
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# ? Oct 4, 2017 11:51 |
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LORD OF BOOTY posted:Achewood is kind of gross like that at times. Actually, pretty often. Achewood was often exceptionally mean, but no one was spared. There weren't any protected species that were above its abuse. Taken as a body of work, it's also one of the sharpest, best-written things I've ever read, so there's that.
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# ? Oct 4, 2017 12:17 |
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Achewood is really well written and very good but it's ok to admit it's extremely dude-centric and steeped in a sort of casual frat bro sexism. It's one of my favorite comics ever on the internet or otherwise regardless but I try not to let that blind me to the fairly cliche way it treats women. Like: the only female characters, at all, in the entire strip, are people's mothers or girlfriends, and I don't think any of them ever interact.
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# ? Oct 4, 2017 12:52 |
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ModernMajorGeneral posted:I thought this was a great Yes Minister bit which hasn't aged a day. I thought that episode was very progressive and then the end was so good that today it'd still be progressive today. Where Sarah quits to take a better job in a bank because she doesn't just want to be the departments token of "look how progressive we are we promoted a woman very highly".
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# ? Oct 4, 2017 12:56 |
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Maybe we should call this 'media that hasn't aged well.' Because I'm listening to the audiobook of IT (last read it 25 years ago) and holy poo poo every time the Richie character goes into his black person voice. Perhaps that will be removed from the sequel like the child gang bang was from the first movie.
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# ? Oct 4, 2017 13:07 |
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lifg posted:I'm starting to think that pedophilia was just way more accepted in the recent past than now. That is a pretty sad fact, but yes. Though, I think it was less pedophilia specifically, and more the super hosed-up way society viewed male and female sexuality and the issue of consent. Basically, if you talk to somebody in your grandparents generation, especially when they lived in a more rural area, you will get an depressing amount of stories about grandfathers and uncles who got "a little grabby" when they were drunk. Hell, the whole redneck incest stereotype persists till today. But the truly terrible thing is how normalized the whole thing was, in a "men will be men" kind of way.
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# ? Oct 4, 2017 13:37 |
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Is age of consent a relatively recent thing? I mean you hear about poo poo going on with celebrities and rock stars in the 1970's and there's no way that was isolated to the rich and famous. I feel like Baby Boomers and the Greatest Generation retro-conned a lot of terrible stuff to make the past look more Ozzie and Harriet. Lolita was titillating because the title character was 12, which is as young as you can get and have her still be a woman. Would anyone have even cared if she was 14?
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# ? Oct 4, 2017 13:55 |
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Krispy Wafer posted:I feel like Baby Boomers and the Greatest Generation retro-conned a lot of terrible stuff to make the past look more Ozzie and Harriet. Lolita was titillating because the title character was 12, which is as young as you can get and have her still be a woman. Would anyone have even cared if she was 14? If Wikipedia is to be believed, Aretha Franklin's father is supposed to have fathered a child by a 12-year old member of his congregation in 1940.
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# ? Oct 4, 2017 14:01 |
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Tiggum posted:What about it? It's a silly thing to call it. It's drunk driving. You're driving while drunk. You're not driving while drink, that doesn't make any sense.
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# ? Oct 4, 2017 14:11 |
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DrBouvenstein posted:It's a silly thing to call it. most Australian slang was concocted while drunk, if that explains anything
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# ? Oct 4, 2017 14:18 |
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Krispy Wafer posted:Is age of consent a relatively recent thing? I mean you hear about poo poo going on with celebrities and rock stars in the 1970's and there's no way that was isolated to the rich and famous. Lolita wasn't meant to be titillating at all. It was meant to be horrifying.
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# ? Oct 4, 2017 14:18 |
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bitterandtwisted posted:There was an episode of Bullshit about the fitness industry and they raised some valid points but the overall message was Penn screaming "I'm just big booooned!" into the void. Dont forget "The Americans with Disabilities Act is a sham to make those with handicaps feel less capable!"
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# ? Oct 4, 2017 14:36 |
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Arivia posted:Lolita wasn't meant to be titillating at all. It was meant to be horrifying. Yeah, this, not sure how you could really get any other meaning from it, unlessss...
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# ? Oct 4, 2017 14:38 |
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Krispy Wafer posted:Maybe we should call this 'media that hasn't aged well.' Since my nerd senses found out about how King kinda has a shared metaverse throughout like...EVERYTHING he's written, and my gf is a big King nerd, I've started listening to audiobooks of his stuff, and me being me means I have to go in chronological order. I'm right now like, 2/3rds of the way through The Stand, so I've got a handful of books under my belt. It's not bad stories, but maaaaan, King sure likes to pepper his early work with the N-Word. Like, he uses it not from a narrative perspective, but like, from the individuals saying it as part of who they are and all, but sometimes the good guys say it too and it's super awkward. Recently in The Stand there was another cringe-worthy moment where a character mentions how a lady "doesn't look like a lesbian" when she is one. Speaking of The Stand, it's the 1990 Uncut edition being (poorly) read, wherein King added the big chunk of stuff that the editor made him remove originally for length, but he also says in the forward how he also tried to update a lot of pop cultural references as well the time frame, because I guess King doesn't like that his early stuff can be seen as period pieces now. And boy does he blow it at one point. There's a major character who before the plague hits and changes the world is a rock star who just got his big break when a song he wrote himself becomes a rising single. I'm pretty sure King didn't even touch this section as the song, "Baby Can You Dig Your Man?" was first optioned by Neil Diamond, and once it's a hit, shows up on Soul Train. In 1990. Because those are all things that would happen to the same song in that year.
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# ? Oct 4, 2017 14:39 |
I read "Finders Keeper" recently, not having read King before. It was decent enough, but there were a lot of pop culture references to stuff that's big now like Game of Thrones that served no purpose but made me think of how dated the book would be to anyone reading it ten years from now.
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# ? Oct 4, 2017 14:51 |
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bitterandtwisted posted:I read "Finders Keeper" recently, not having read King before. Yeah that's...a lot of King honestly.
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# ? Oct 4, 2017 14:52 |
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Spuckuk posted:Yeah, this, not sure how you could really get any other meaning from it, unlessss... A whole lot of people who haven't read it seem to think Lolita is "A Perverts Guide to Why Kiddy Fuckin' Is Awsome"
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# ? Oct 4, 2017 15:05 |
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It’s a great book, but it’s not meant to be uncritically sexy. Nabokov is a great writer who enjoys playing with the reader so I can see someone getting turned on - but his point is that you then need to take a cold drink of water and think for a very long time about how hosed up that is she’s only twelve you lech
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# ? Oct 4, 2017 15:15 |
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bitterandtwisted posted:There was an episode of Bullshit about the fitness industry and they raised some valid points but the overall message was Penn screaming "I'm just big booooned!" into the void. Lol no joke episode of wife swap with him, he actively discourages his son from engaging in physical activities like riding his bike.
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# ? Oct 4, 2017 15:23 |
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lemon-lyme disease posted:It's hard for me to tell if certain episodes of that show have aged well or not because I often (or at least sometimes) disagree/d with their politics from the get-go. It's a well put-together program on the whole though. Part of the problem is something QI acknowledged as well: what was considered a fact at the time a show is made can later be found to be false. I'm sure I remember Penn saying that he'd wanted the last show of the series to be "The Bullshit of Bullshit!" addressing shows where understanding of the topics covered had changed. TF2 HAT MINING RIG posted:Not tv, but in the original Meatballs (which is kind of dull overall) I remember somebody casually uses the term jailbait or something similar and woah no thanks movie.
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# ? Oct 4, 2017 15:25 |
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Choco1980 posted:Since my nerd senses found out about how King kinda has a shared metaverse throughout like...EVERYTHING he's written, and my gf is a big King nerd, I've started listening to audiobooks of his stuff, and me being me means I have to go in chronological order. I'm right now like, 2/3rds of the way through The Stand, so I've got a handful of books under my belt. It's not bad stories, but maaaaan, King sure likes to pepper his early work with the N-Word. Like, he uses it not from a narrative perspective, but like, from the individuals saying it as part of who they are and all, but sometimes the good guys say it too and it's super awkward. Recently in The Stand there was another cringe-worthy moment where a character mentions how a lady "doesn't look like a lesbian" when she is one. Huh...I read the original Stand and later listened to the uncut audiobook edition and I don't recall anything updated. There was definitely new content, but I thought it all stayed in the original period. I'm not sure I mind the N word as much since so much of his stuff takes place in the past or deals with evil and rot just beneath the surface. There's a book series called Hap & Leonard that came out in the 1990 and is set in 1980's Texas so there's a lot of N-words. Enough that I've had to quickly shut off my car radio in drive thru's and parking deck entrances. The characters aged in real time through the book series so by the time the author was writing post-9/11 that was mostly ditched. They're two seasons into a TV show version which by season 4 will feel really dated since that involved a ring of bikers selling VHS tapes of gay bashing. Spuckuk posted:Yeah, this, not sure how you could really get any other meaning from it, unlessss... The reviews of the time called it the filthiest book ever written. I have to imagine a large number of people bought it because it was taboo, not because it shone a critical eye at how we sexualize youth. So it doesn't matter if the book is meant to disgust if the reader buys it to be turned on. I went back and looked up some of the reviews and yes, they were pretty adamant it was terrible and should kill any lustful thought you might have even momentarily harbored. But the NYT's reviewer said on his first reading, an abbreviated version (that of course still had sexy 12 year olds) was the funniest book he ever read. It was only the uncut copy that turned it into one of the saddest books he's ever read. So it definitely hit on some undercurrent that landed uncomfortably close to the truth.
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# ? Oct 4, 2017 15:26 |
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Krispy Wafer posted:The reviews of the time called it the filthiest book ever written. I have to imagine a large number of people bought it because it was taboo, not because it shone a critical eye at how we sexualize youth. So it doesn't matter if the book is meant to disgust if the reader buys it to be turned on. I've not read Lolita, but reviews aren't always a good source of information. A lot of reviews at the time of the Brasseye Paedophile Special would have you believe it was basically child pornography, and was somehow being swapped around in prisons on VHS tape. What prisoners were playing these tapes on was never addressed.
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# ? Oct 4, 2017 15:29 |
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Sunswipe posted:I've not read Lolita, but reviews aren't always a good source of information. A lot of reviews at the time of the Brasseye Paedophile Special would have you believe it was basically child pornography, and was somehow being swapped around in prisons on VHS tape. What prisoners were playing these tapes on was never addressed. Prisons usually have vhs or dvd players
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# ? Oct 4, 2017 15:58 |
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Aesop Poprock posted:Prisons usually have vhs or dvd players I'm pretty sure a guard would notice a prisoner watching child porn on the prison AV cart or whatever.
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# ? Oct 4, 2017 16:02 |
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SpacePig posted:I'm pretty sure a guard would notice a prisoner watching child porn on the prison AV cart or whatever. Kudos to the prison visitor who managed to smuggle a VHS cassette in their rectum.
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# ? Oct 4, 2017 16:16 |
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SpacePig posted:I'm pretty sure a guard would notice a prisoner watching child porn on the prison AV cart or whatever. Depends on what kind of prison we're talking about here, I've heard of some where the guards would probably just sit down and watch it with them
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# ? Oct 4, 2017 16:33 |
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SpacePig posted:I'm pretty sure a guard would notice a prisoner watching child porn on the prison AV cart or whatever. "Whaddya gonna do? Throw me in jail?"
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# ? Oct 4, 2017 16:43 |
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Krispy Wafer posted:Maybe we should call this 'media that hasn't aged well.' Stephen King’s Jim Crow voice appears A LOT in his books and they are all cringe inducing. I too am re-reading IT.
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# ? Oct 4, 2017 17:18 |
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DrBouvenstein posted:It's a silly thing to call it. You've had a drink, now you are driving. A person doesnt have to be drunk to be impaired enough to gently caress up and kill themselves and possibly someone who doesnt deserve it too. "Sure, I've had a few drinks, but I'm not DRUNK...". As a name for it, it makes sense.
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# ? Oct 4, 2017 17:22 |
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Krispy Wafer posted:Plus the Seinfeld universe was disconcertingly racially pure and I can't help but imagine all of them having some part in the reporting and deportation of undesirables to whatever dystopian government agency handled those matters. That actually happened in one episode, unless that was the joke.
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# ? Oct 4, 2017 17:32 |
Sunswipe posted:Part of the problem is something QI acknowledged as well: what was considered a fact at the time a show is made can later be found to be false. I'm sure I remember Penn saying that he'd wanted the last show of the series to be "The Bullshit of Bullshit!" addressing shows where understanding of the topics covered had changed.
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# ? Oct 4, 2017 18:30 |
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Wheat Loaf posted:Little Britain has aged badly but it's pretty astounding how quickly it happened. Matt Lucas has admitted that he wouldn't do the black characters if he did the show over again: https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2017/oct/03/matt-lucas-little-britain-remake-would-not-play-black-character I heard Matt Lucas on a podcast talking about the show. Honestly, he kind of pissed me off because he won't just admit that certain sketches were awful. Like he defends the black face thing as 'I was doing a big, over the top character who happened to be black. But we made fun of all races so it's ok!' The only thing he expressed the slightest remorse for is that some gay people got bullied with the 'only gay in the village' catchphrase.
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# ? Oct 4, 2017 19:10 |
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SEX BURRITO posted:Matt Lucas has admitted that he wouldn't do the black characters if he did the show over again: https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2017/oct/03/matt-lucas-little-britain-remake-would-not-play-black-character What was his feelings about yellowface? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3F0TdKXrGc
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# ? Oct 4, 2017 21:23 |