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Crazycryodude posted:Until Azathoth is literally eating souls in full view of Earth (the planet), Those Fuckers right next door that you've already spent decades hyping up are gonna be a way easier target. We've got an alien doom fortress in a close orbit of Ranginui, I'm sure we can work something out.
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Sounds like we better go exploring then, find us a good threat.
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Oct 6, 2017 18:59
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1C I guess. Not happy but we will be very hard pressed to win a fight. And to think. If the IC had just waited a few months they could've egged us on and seen earth and Mars destroy ourselves . Leaving them as topp dogs.
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If we take possession of Unicron, does it become a shitload of motorized tonnage in-system as Mars Con assets? 
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Oct 6, 2017 19:17
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1C and I'll allow myself to be disappointed it's not the end of the world today.
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Oct 6, 2017 19:40
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sniper4625 posted:Or we figure out how to settle our problems like reasonable people in the face of the infinite cosmos filled with untold riches and greater threats. Certainly will need to get stronger to make Earth see us as equals, but I'm not so convinced war is necessarily inevitable or desireable. I feel like the most reasonable solution to that is to kill them and then take their stuff and then we can sort out all the other stuff on our own time. It is merely not an especially practical solution at present. Think of it like galactic mise en place. Get your local solar system in order before you start trying to build an interstellar civilization.
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Oct 6, 2017 20:58
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Yea, only literal word of god that we're not well positioned to win a fight is keeping me from the 2 options. But I can admit when I'm wrong. 1C
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Not Alex posted:Yea, only literal word of god that we're not well positioned to win a fight is keeping me from the 2 options. But I can admit when I'm wrong. Yeah, I want to bust heads so bad but the more I think about the more I think we're best off with 1C. We could maaaaybe pull this off, but it would be by the skin of our teeth even if we avoided MAD. At this point, let's just commit to building our new fleet and planning our next move. The problem we have with UT, with the Lunar Accords and with this poo poo, is that they've instigated the crises and forced the issue. We need to start thinking about how we're going to catch them on their back feet. If we don't want to get bullied again, we better get ready to be bullies.
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Oct 6, 2017 21:41
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Even if we beat UT, humanity would be in an even worse position to defend against hostile alien incursions. We have a responsibility to our species to not leave the winning side utterly unable to defend itself from whatever forces out there annihilated Auntie Facility's creators or any other space nasties. However, we also have a responsibility to our fellow humans suffering under the yoke of the kleptocrats on Earth. Putin has only bought time. Humanity will range the stars free and united. Mars vult.
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Oct 6, 2017 22:06
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I changed my vote to 1C way back on page 98.
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Oct 6, 2017 22:09
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Voting 1C with the full expectation that Putin will try this poo poo again in a couple years. 1C gives us the chance to kick the poo poo out of them when they do.
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Oct 6, 2017 22:48
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sorry can someone link 1c again?
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Oct 6, 2017 23:18
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TheWetFish posted:Option 1...B / C ?
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Oct 6, 2017 23:25
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1c I don't understand this though: quote:United Terra will be allowed a minimum of 40K tons of space-based tonnage shouldn't that be maximum?
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Oct 6, 2017 23:29
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sebmojo posted:1c They really wanted a floor, to prevent shenanigans with us using only very low tonnage. They'd still be limited by our tonnage provided we're above 40K tons
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Oct 6, 2017 23:34
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1C WetFish terms.
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Oct 6, 2017 23:37
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So we'll be subsidizing the TFS's expansion into Ranganui, right? Unbound by the reciprocal treaty and on good terms with us, their forces could swing a battle. Provided they don't betray us or something.
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Nice. Bors bringing the smack down as always.
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 TheWetFish posted:Option 1/ C The "Wetfish" proposal is taken to the negotiating table having won handily with 23 votes. Terra voices discontent with some parts but it seems the broad framework is agreeable to both sides for now. The Luna Accords (modified) posted:
UT announces they will be creating their settlement on Moon 1 of Ranganui IV to nobody's surprise at all. The bulletin of atomic scientists doomsday clock ticks back to three minutes to midnight as both sides agree to a public signing of the accords amid great relief amongst the general populace and apparently all Goonkind judging from the exasperated posting areound here.  15 June 2052  The ink on the accords is barely dry when the Terran forces turn around and converge on Ceres.  After a quick re-crewing with fresh  In Ranginui PThighs finally relaxes as the Terran destroyers arrive in orbit with no incident.  However an hour later the Commmodore they have shared the orbital space with calls PThighs to inform him he is being relieved and will be returning to Sol. He introduces the new commander of the Terran forces, an impassive but quite dimmunitive man who barely acknowledges PThigh's greetings. 16 June, 2000hrs  Its the evening of the next day when the Tangaroa approaches the jump point in the asteroid belt. Pleasantries are exchanged and Tangaroa is informed two destroyers and an Endeavour class will be accompanying her on her journey to Ranginui. The Nova Sol system. Yet again the Tangaroa falls away from the universe into nothingness. Arriving with a minimum of fuss the Tangaroa orients herself as jump disorientation wears off and her escorts float silently on either side. It takes nearly twice as long before Terrans become responsive as the Martians take to recover but the reasons for this are not immediately apparent. Her advanced scopes begin seeking and cataloguing.  The star is a G3-IV main sequence 'yellow dwarf' though pushing the top end of the scale quite convincingly. The system is hot as its luminosity is five times that of Sol.  Terra has helpfully provided the coordinates of a second point which they claim leads to Ranginui, it is about 2.35b km from the jump point to sol  The inner system consists of a scattering of large asteroids. The innermost planet orbits slightly further than Mars but the hot sun and a greenhouse effect of its Carbon dioxide and Sulphur dioxide atmospheres gives it an average temperature over 600C. The second planet fares better at 300m km, its Nitrogen/CO2 atmosphere at 30% of the pressure of Earth means balmy above freezing temperatures (barely) and its 55% surface gravity means that it is both an excellent terraforming candidate and remarkably similar to Mars. The third planet is a fascinating Earth-analogue with near identical gravity and 84% atmospheric pressure if it wasn't for the Ammonia/Methane clouds that shroud it. The Astrobiology team babbles excitedly about extremophile microbes but the clouds obscure any view of the surface.  Out at nearly a billion km the fourth planet is a small frozen Oxy/Nitro atmosphere Terrestrial planet with limited atmosphere. a potentially habitable body but the extreme -111c temperature and distance make it a tricky proposition. Next up the 5th and 6th planets are a pair of small, airless and deady rocky planetoids barely worth the name.  The outer solar system consists of the 7th and 8th planets with a rocky and frozen asteroid belt between them. They are two gas giants with attendant flocks of moons orbiting at extreme distances from the star (14b and 47b km). The outrageous distances (Pluto orbits at a mere 6b km from Sol) means any exploitation of them will be fraught with difficulty. Saros fucked around with this message at 21:51 on Oct 17, 2017 |
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Not Alex posted:So we'll be subsidizing the TFS's expansion into Ranganui, right? Unbound by the reciprocal treaty and on good terms with us, their forces could swing a battle. Provided they don't betray us or something. Bingo. Guess what we get to do with all our old ships as newfleet comes online? 
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Too late now I know, for this cycle of tension and treaty at least, but I wonder if we could get Terra into some kind of Washington treaty? Since our ships are both ton for ton superior and the Terrans rely heavily on armour, if nobody was allowed to build ships larger than say 15kt, it would hurt them more than it would hurt us.
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Pharnakes posted:Too late now I know, for this cycle of tension and treaty at least, but I wonder if we could get Terra into some kind of Washington treaty? Since our ships are both ton for ton superior and the Terrans rely heavily on armour, if nobody was allowed to build ships larger than say 15kt, it would hurt them more than it would hurt us. Which is why they'd say no.
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Oct 6, 2017 23:59
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Sounds great for the aliens.
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Innocent_Bystander posted:Which is why they'd say no. Yeah I'm sure we couldn't ge them to agree to equal tonnage, in absolute terms. But we;ve already set the precedent of tonnage limits in Ranginui, to protect the peace there. How about a limit of tonnage in Sol? What could be more important than protecting the birth place of humanity which is still home to 99.999999% of humanity and will be for the next few years at the very least?
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Aren't the giant gently caress off doom lasers on New Fleet more than suitable for punching through flying bricks? We want to limit their firepower not necessarily weight. Should try some shenanigans based on logistics. Make missiles and fighters weighted by treaty somehow so our beam composition is favored.
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Oct 7, 2017 00:14
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I think this scheme is too transparent to fly even in vacuum.
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Oct 7, 2017 00:18
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Well y'all won't let us shoot anything yet.
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Oct 7, 2017 00:21
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It's a good deal for us in several ways (the most important being "we won't lose a war" ) like say making the TFS friendlier with us, having putes pay us taxes on poo poo he mines in our system and sharing xeno stuff.
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Oct 7, 2017 00:24
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Yea yea, acknowledged. But my joke was that you have let us aggressive folks do something even if it is ineffective scheming.
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Oct 7, 2017 00:25
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We should've gone to war, I can't believe goons voted for peace with loving Putin.
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mcclay posted:We should've gone to war, I can't believe goons voted for peace with loving Putin. We almost definitely gonna go to war later, but then we'll kick Terra's face in and walk up to Putin and give him a wedgie and steal his lunch money.
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Affi posted:It's a good deal for us in several ways (the most important being "we won't lose a war" ) like say making the TFS friendlier with us, having putes pay us taxes on poo poo he mines in our system and sharing xeno stuff. Not Alex posted:Yea yea, acknowledged. But my joke was that you have let us aggressive folks do something even if it is ineffective scheming. I mean, I'm pretty bloodthirsty, but irrational war is not Mars' most sterling trait. Besides, we gotta get our new space botes with their space guns ready. I want to go to war with new toys.
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Oct 7, 2017 00:31
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This but the other way around cause really we're doing that to Earth too.
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Gridlocked posted:This but the other way around cause really we're doing that to Earth too. True, but Space Putin is definitely the bigger rear end in a top hat in this scenario.
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Don't go to war unless you expect to be able to win, if you do expect to be able to win, go to war immediately. Also that seems like, frankly, a remarkably good settlement and better than I was expecting to get.
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quote:Both sides are not required to report further Xenoarcheoligical discoveries, however they are required to report contact with active Xeno intelligences or life as soon as practicable.  Did they just sneak one by us? As worded, we technically would be expected to report Facility's existence. Was this in the 1C we voted for?
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The lawyers are already working on the case that that clause only applies to new discoveries so we're fine.
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