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Open Source Idiom posted:It's not exactly offbrand tbh. Well Marvel Studios, who make The Punisher and all MCU things are distinct from Marvel Comics, who set up this partnership. The Marvel Studios logo isn't on any of the partnership material and nothing from the MCU has been used to promote it. Now Marvel Studios is probably into some shady poo poo and probably has some people working there with terrible beliefs, but Marvel Comics is on a whole other level.
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Aaaand it's already cancelled because of how much everyone hated it.
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Oct 7, 2017 12:48
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lol First issue reviews are in... cancel it.
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Oct 7, 2017 12:52
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What. I thought that was a joke
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lol they partnered with a pmc to make a comic for children.
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nooneofconsequence posted:lol they partnered with a pmc to make a comic for children. And then were very surprised people did not like that.
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Crass commercialization, nationalism, and propaganda is the most American thing ever, but read the room Marvel.
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Oct 7, 2017 21:48
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Well it's basically Stark Industries right? I'm sure that's how they feel about it. I'll bet my best looking nut they have a Iron Monger prototype waiting for someone to invent a new battery.
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Oct 7, 2017 22:31
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"B-b-but Guns are your friends!" *old man is sunglasses with a t-shirt that just says GUN* Hello Fellow Youths! *lights ciggarette* how about our popular music eh?
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Oct 8, 2017 14:31
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Guess that magazine scan was faked or something changed. No Punisher today.
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Zebulon posted:Guess that magazine scan was faked or something changed. No Punisher today. It was real, they delayed the drop.
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Oct 14, 2017 18:53
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They decided to push back the release (by 2 weeks, I think?) after the Vegas shooting. (thought and prayers)
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I kind of figured that was the case. And I'll admit, the Bojack Horseman "thoughts and prayers" running gag came to mind too. Between cutting the NYCC panel yet keeping in that idiotic MIC partnership announcement, and now this.
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Oct 14, 2017 22:59
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Punisher to hit Netflix on November 17th. http://deadline.com/2017/10/marvel-the-punisher-premiere-date-netflix-jon-bernthal-1202190165/
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Oct 19, 2017 15:51
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Marvel vs. DC! Netflix vs. Cinema! Punisher vs. Justice League!
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Good thing there won't be any mass shootings between now and November 17th or else this whole series might seem like a bad idea! Oh, wait...
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jivjov posted:Punisher to hit Netflix on November 17th. Nice, three days before my birthday. Thank you, Netflix!
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Oct 19, 2017 17:00
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New Punisher trailer, too. Gives a much better idea of what the plot is.
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feedmyleg posted:Good thing there won't be any mass shootings between now and November 17th or else this whole series might seem like a bad idea! I am sick and tired of real-life gun violence getting in the way of us telling stories that glamorize gun violence.gif
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nerdman42 posted:I am sick and tired of real-life gun violence getting in the way of us telling stories that glamorize gun violence.gif This but unironically.
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Lid posted:Scott Buck You know, this might be dead gay comedy forums, where everything is pretty much live and let live, but, seriously, you HAVE to stop using language like that. There are some things just just DO NOT NEED TO BE DISCUSSED, mkay?
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Oct 19, 2017 20:37
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Everyone is going to watch The Punisher anyway so this moral posturing about a fictional character rings incredibly hollow unless you're willing to put your money where your mouth is. Marvel does much more concerning things like contracting to be publicists with real life military contractors. If we want to associate Marvel stories with real world violence than we need to get rid of superheroes all together. Don't forget Daredevil solves his problem by throwing people off buildings so they can slowly die in hospitals. I suppose beating someone into a coma with your fists isn't as bad... 
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Oct 19, 2017 21:29
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It probably has more to do with the whole thing where people are getting gunned down al the time and a bunch of assholes wear the Punisher logo as a badge of honor including a whole lot of cops. So its kind of complicated. If there was a public epidemic of people were throwing other people off roofs while wearing devil horns then Marvel and Netflix would probably have meetings about that too. Of course, yes, the reality is the Punisher is just a complicated character that assholes will glorify and America will never have a period where people aren't being killed or worshiping guns and executions so its just kind of something they have to figure out going in. They just had bad timing of the biggest shooting in US history happening right around they're planned media push. STAC Goat fucked around with this message at 21:48 on Oct 19, 2017 |
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Oct 19, 2017 21:44
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Probably for the best, then, that this series is pitting Frank against a PMC and a CIA conspiracy rather than his usual fare of street level criminals and organized crime.
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I don't think its wrong for people to talk about weird implications of fictional stories while still enjoying them. Media critique and how it shapes audiences is a healthy discussion to have and that doesn't have to conflict with a more surface-level enjoyment of the show. poo poo's multifaceted.
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Yeah, I don't think there's anything wrong with making or enjoying a Punisher show. And I'm not judging it sight unseen. But I get why they got squeamish in the wake of Vegas and pushed things back a little. That was probably a responsible choice even though, yeah, the issues don't go away just because we haven't had a massive shooting in a couple of weeks. And its different from the more general moral debates of violence or vigilantism with Daredevil or other characters because the stuff Frank does is a lot more "real" and easy to emulate.
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Samizdata posted:You know, this might be dead gay comedy forums, where everything is pretty much live and let live, but, seriously, you HAVE to stop using language like that. There are some things just just DO NOT NEED TO BE DISCUSSED, mkay? Inhumans
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STAC Goat posted:Yeah, I don't think there's anything wrong with making or enjoying a Punisher show. And I'm not judging it sight unseen. This is all stuff I agree with and I don't blame Marvel for pushing the release date back, I just think it's super eye rolly to complain about The Punisher glorifying gun violence. It reminds me of when evangelicals were burning Harry Potter books for "pushing Satanism and witchcraft." It was silly then and it's silly now. The Punisher also has a very diverse fanbase, more diverse than comic geeks seem to realize. Frank Castle has a sizable LGBT female fanbase on social media and they absolutely adore him because he takes revenge on bad people. This is somewhat due to Jon Bernthal but IMO it's proof everyone loves a good revenge story. It's somewhat reductive to only talk about assholes who paint Punisher logos on their bodyarmor or some such because they're not the whole fanbase and you have to take everyone into account when you decide what character you want to make a tv show about, not just the rear end in a top hat fans.
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Lid posted:Inhumans mods???
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HIJK posted:This is all stuff I agree with and I don't blame Marvel for pushing the release date back, I just think it's super eye rolly to complain about The Punisher glorifying gun violence. It reminds me of when evangelicals were burning Harry Potter books for "pushing Satanism and witchcraft." It was silly then and it's silly now. I mean, the biggest difference is probably that Harry Potter didn't push Satanism and there weren't a bunch of Satan worshiping witches with funky glasses playing that broom game. But some Punisher comics do glorify gun violence and revenge and there are a bunch of psychos wearing the logo and putting in on their body armor and cop cars. And yeah, obviously that's not the whole fanbase or even a majority. And even if you do take joy out of watching a gun revenge fantasy that doesn't inherently mean its anything more than escapism for you. But ultimately the fact that the Punisher persists and does have a TV show seems to suggest that exactly what you hope is happening and the character is persisting for the fanbase at large and not being abandoned because of the assholes. But those guys exist and sometimes they do something really evil or make a story so its always going to be iffy territory to walk.
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The problem with The Defenders villains is that they had one goal - using Iron Fist to get dragon bones. So the entire show was wasting time to get to that moment. All the other shows villains existed already and their plans ran afoul of the heroes, were sheer forces of murderous natute, with the amendment Kilgrave's was to torture Jessica and inspiring paranoia which was a constant presence. The Hand just felt less villain more "we are really struggling to define this mook factory". It was HYDRA without a well documented ideology.
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Personally, I like my gun wielding homicidal maniacs to be fictional and am still able to separate it from news headlines but I can understand Marvel's decision to wait a bit. I mean, poo poo, you had Rambo mowing down hundreds of people 30 years ago so I'm not sure about the connection or where cause meets effect really (never have been), but maybe The Punisher had a scene of him being a sniper from a hotel window or something and they wanted to delay it to edit that out. Trailers look loving great though and Bernthal was fantastic in the role in DDs2. Hoping for a DD or Kingpin cameo somewhere and psyched at what appears to be a lack of ninjas.
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BiggerBoat posted:Personally, I like my gun wielding homicidal maniacs to be fictional and am still able to separate it from news headlines but I can understand Marvel's decision to wait a bit. This is why they need to absorb The Punisher into the greater AoS collective Hivemind as soon as possible. It's a lot harder to be uncomfortable about guns when you're just shooting mutants, robots, zombies, demons, aliens and yourself from the parallel evil dimension.
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But the punisher doesn't kill innocent people, why do people get this wrong I didn't see this moral quandry when Boondock saints came out
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Fargin Icehole posted:But the punisher doesn't kill innocent people, why do people get this wrong I can't hear you over the sound of this 48 minute long Kingsman: The Secret Service church massacre they're calling episode 1 of The Punisher.
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Fargin Icehole posted:But the punisher doesn't kill innocent people, why do people get this wrong Plus its all part of Netflix, Marvel, Disney, and MCU so its going to have extra levels of concern and fallout than something WAAAAAAY smaller like Boondock Saints. Or more high profile violent action stuff that can kind of live in its own little vacuum. But again... nothing's happening. Punisher's been around for as long as I can remember and his show is debuting in a month. All that happened was that a marketing company decided it would be a bad idea to do a big marketing push about the guy who mass murders people with guns right after a guy mass murdered people with guns in a historic way.
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Fargin Icehole posted:But the punisher doesn't kill innocent people, why do people get this wrong
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STAC Goat posted:I mean, the biggest difference is probably that Harry Potter didn't push Satanism and there weren't a bunch of Satan worshiping witches with funky glasses playing that broom game. But some Punisher comics do glorify gun violence and revenge and there are a bunch of psychos wearing the logo and putting in on their body armor and cop cars. Ultimately I object to any stance that holds fiction responsible for real world problems.  I think the tv show is taking a good tack by pitching Frank against a government conspiracy at any rate and they are keeping his family in the picture to humanize him. The big problem with the Punisher IMO is when his family is taken away from him. They do have to acknowledge the passage of time but if you want to counter bad cops and bad soldiers then you have to emphasize that the system failed Frank in every conceivable way, including the police and including his military history. Nothing in the world helped him when it really mattered and he broke as a result.Anyway, I don't see the Punisher as any more harmful than the Saw movies.
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