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Mel Mudkiper posted:Heres an idea
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Oct 12, 2017 18:45
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The junior tags are doing better then the heavy weights right now. The last 4 title matches have been a variation of the same match and KES sucks.
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Oct 12, 2017 18:45
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Mel Mudkiper posted:Heres an idea Wrestling is supposed to allow you to suspend disbelief and in real combat sports weight and gender do matter so such things can be useful. Furthermore, misogyny is very real so gender definitely should matter so male power fantasies aren't played out through intergender matches. But hey, wrestling keeps getting less popular the more it is treated as a dumb video game fight where nothing matters so let's keep at it.
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Oct 12, 2017 18:45
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Like I remember people in here way back in the day got all mad because they made Rey the world champ even though he was SMALL
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Oct 12, 2017 18:46
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Yes, wrestling will surely regain the popularity it once had if they strive for *realism* and everyone will totally buy it, even though no one ever bought wrestling being real even back during the famous Smoke Filled Bingo Hall days of yore
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Oct 12, 2017 18:48
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Mel Mudkiper posted:Heres an idea Don't watch New Japan
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Oct 12, 2017 18:48
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Two Beans posted:Does the Junior Heavyweight division not have its own tag titles in addition to a singles title? 
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Oct 12, 2017 18:48
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MassRafTer posted:Wrestling is supposed to allow you to suspend disbelief and in real combat sports weight and gender do matter so such things can be useful. Furthermore, misogyny is very real so gender definitely should matter so male power fantasies aren't played out through intergender matches. No one says anything about weight classes or male power fantasies when Scarlett Johansson beats up a bunch of dudes
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Oct 12, 2017 18:48
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It's extremely unbelievable for a smaller person to even look a bigger person in the eye, nevermind compete with them. All of the sarcasm and flexing in the world will not change this. I'll show you first-hand if you continue fooling around in this manner
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Oct 12, 2017 18:49
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Mel Mudkiper posted:No one says anything about weight classes or male power fantasies when Scarlett Johansson beats up a bunch of dudes Wrestling is not the movies and there's plenty of movies where that criticism comes up.
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Oct 12, 2017 18:50
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MassRafTer posted:there's plenty of movies where that criticism comes up. From wheezing pendants
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Oct 12, 2017 18:52
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Rehire Hornswoggle and have him beat Kevin Owens clean, imho.
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Oct 12, 2017 18:53
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Mel Mudkiper posted:From wheezing pendants So wrestling fans.
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Oct 12, 2017 18:53
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We cannot make wrestling more inclusive and diverse because appealing to more people will make less people watch it
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Oct 12, 2017 18:53
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Wasn't Rey's World Title run pretty much a joke? All I really remember from it is Big Show and JBL tossing him around like a rag doll
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Oct 12, 2017 18:54
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Mel Mudkiper posted:We cannot make wrestling more inclusive and diverse because appealing to more people will make less people watch it Look at how successful Lucha Underground was!
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Oct 12, 2017 18:54
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Eli Wiggum posted:Wasn't Rey's World Title run pretty much a joke? All I really remember from it is Big Show and JBL tossing him around like a rag doll You forgot Khali doing the same then!
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Oct 12, 2017 18:55
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DeathChicken posted:Yes, wrestling will surely regain the popularity it once had if they strive for *realism* and everyone will totally buy it, even though no one ever bought wrestling being real even back during the famous Smoke Filled Bingo Hall days of yore yeah this is why films routinely put laughy jokes about how they're fake in them because nobody actually believes they're real. books, too, are filled with notes calling the reader a dumbass for thinking fiction is real
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Oct 12, 2017 18:55
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gimme a hell yeah
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Oct 12, 2017 18:56
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The ideal promotion has 13 weight classes, 5 guys in each class, only 3 of those classes are worth watching, and they only fight each other every 3 to 4 months to properly sell their injuries. I call it UFC.
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Oct 12, 2017 18:56
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MassRafTer posted:Look at how successful Lucha Underground was! Ha the limited success of an obscure non touring wrestling promotion on a channel most people haven't even heard of proves my point
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Oct 12, 2017 18:57
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It's on Netflix.
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Oct 12, 2017 18:58
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Mel Mudkiper posted:Ha the limited success of an obscure non touring wrestling promotion on a channel most people haven't even heard of proves my point "limited success" is a great euphemism for losing shitloads of money and selling Zero Tickets
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Oct 12, 2017 18:58
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Mel Mudkiper posted:Ha the limited success of an obscure non touring wrestling promotion on a channel most people haven't even heard from proves my point Limited success? It lost tons of money and viewership went down even as the channel became more available. Also it was cancelled off its widest distribution channel after one season.
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Oct 12, 2017 18:59
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Mel Mudkiper posted:Ha the limited success of an obscure non touring wrestling promotion on a channel most people haven't even heard of proves my point So the promotion that meets your ideals for competition has limited success and you want to ignore that. 
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Oct 12, 2017 18:59
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Lucha Underground is a promotion with a tiny, vocal fanbase which sells Zero Tickets, loses tons of money, and is only alive because of money marks. It is basically TNA.
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Oct 12, 2017 19:00
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Surely intergender violence will help *ratings nosedive every week after it happens*
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Oct 12, 2017 19:00
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Limited success is a synonym for unsuccessful, not a synonym for "a little bit of success" I cannot believe I have to point that out
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Oct 12, 2017 19:01
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to be fair there are reasons beyond the style that caused lucha underground to lose a lot of money, like the people in charge not trying anything that could make them money and doing seasons for a group used to wrestling every week without stoppages
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Oct 12, 2017 19:02
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Mel Mudkiper posted:Limited success is a synonym for unsuccessful, not a synonym for "a little bit of success" then why would it being unsuccessful prove your point
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Oct 12, 2017 19:02
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Mel Mudkiper posted:Limited success is a synonym for unsuccessful, not a synonym for "a little bit of success" The word is "Flop"
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Oct 12, 2017 19:03
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Somehow the problems of intergender wrestling matches and the "problems" of wrestling matches in which a little guy competes with a big guy don't quite correlate
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Oct 12, 2017 19:03
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Amount of money made is also a terrible indicator of anything. Lucha Underground is a good show with bad management so it makes poo poo money. WWE is a terrible show that knows how to make money. Success is not an indication of quality.
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Oct 12, 2017 19:04
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There is a good reason why Jinder is the champ and the Singh brothers are the hired help and not the other way around, lets not kid ourselves.
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Oct 12, 2017 19:04
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exploded mummy posted:Surely intergender violence will help *ratings nosedive every week after it happens* Perspective matters, its the classic fighting game narrative. If you book an intergender match as being a man, who is strong, against a woman, who is not strong, obviously it's gonna be a turn off to the audience to see a man fighting a woman. If you sell the match up to the audience as the two being equal competitors, the gendered nature of the violence is annulled. The turn off to inter gender violence comes when the woman is implicitly suggested to be inherently inferior.
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Oct 12, 2017 19:04
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Feels Villeneuve posted:Lucha Underground is a promotion with a tiny, vocal fanbase which sells Zero Tickets, loses tons of money, and is only alive because of money marks. It is basically TNA. That's not a fair comparison at all. It took TNA way longer to kill off all their positive buzz.
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Oct 12, 2017 19:05
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Gumball Gumption posted:Amount of money made is also a terrible indicator of anything. Lucha Underground is a good show with bad management so it makes poo poo money. WWE is a terrible show that knows how to make money. Success is not an indication of quality. wrestling is about getting asses in seats. it is show business. there are promotions that sell tickets specifically based on quality, but for whatever reason this poo poo isn't working for LU.
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Oct 12, 2017 19:05
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Feels Villeneuve posted:then why would it being unsuccessful prove your point It was sarcasm. My point was that a small company on a small channel that doesn't tour or even do regular shows being unsuccessful is not unsuccessful because they have inter gender matches and it's disingenuous to suggest as much.
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Oct 12, 2017 19:06
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Gumball Gumption posted:Amount of money made is also a terrible indicator of anything. Lucha Underground is a good show with bad management so it makes poo poo money. WWE is a terrible show that knows how to make money. Success is not an indication of quality. That's why I included two indicators, money lost and audience lost. The show was cancelled by one network and as El Rey was available in MORE homes, less people watched. The show also has zero buzz now so even the people watching don't talk about it much. Mel Mudkiper posted:It was sarcasm. My point was that a small company on a small channel that doesn't tour or even do regular shows being unsuccessful is not unsuccessful because they have inter gender matches and it's disingenuous to suggest as much. They wanted to tour but the company has flopped and those plans kept being kicked down the road.
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Oct 12, 2017 19:07
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