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Bill Goldberg posted:doesn't Chikara, the family friendly indie for all ages, run intergender matches yup MassRafTer posted:And their business and buzz has fallen way off in recent years. The Kimberly run was one of their bigger draws. Same with Heidi Lovelace. Business has fallen off because most of the name talent has gone other places. Hell, remember Sara Del Rey? Its not like they suddenly decided this a year ago, women competing equal with men has literally been there since the beginning. The only thing that changed was a woman winning a non-gendered World Title.
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MassRafTer posted:Love the WWE is just a performance art and not a worked sport on the eve of Vince once again selling the product as sports programming to try to get those rights fees. I genuinely do not understand what your point is here
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Oct 12, 2017 19:32
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You might think Chikara is doing badly because of a lack of big names, Quack's difficulty to work with, and their convoluted story line, but actually it is because women and men can fake fight each other.
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Oct 12, 2017 19:33
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Bill Goldberg posted:i don't think that's because they let the girls fight the boys I wouldn't either but it sure didn't go the way Quack wanted.
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Oct 12, 2017 19:33
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I think occasional intergender wrestling would be pretty cool to give some of the wrestlers some interesting storylines. I mean keep the divisions still, but allow there to he some crossover every once in a while so the women aren't just crammed into their meager cubbyhole of nothing feuds and fatal 4 way matches in the middle of the show because they don't care enough about the division to make a main event worthy storyline. Or just book the women's division well, that'd be neat too.
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Oct 12, 2017 19:33
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Mel Mudkiper posted:Right, WWE was not presenting its main product as a sport because it would literally pause RAW a few times a week to say "and now for a SPORT in between all this wrestling" So you think that WWE didn't promote their business as a sport in the Attitude Era except in the selective cases where you want to ignore it and pretend that it didn't happen. Again.
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Chikara isn't in the toilet because they stopped doing anything for a year and they have nobody, it's because of Sara Del Rey fighting Ophidian
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Oct 12, 2017 19:34
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MassRafTer posted:I wouldn't either but it sure didn't go the way Quack wanted. Well he shut the company down.
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Chikara is irrelevant. And also they don't matter in this discussion, because they don't have a basic cable TV deal and real advertisers.
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Oct 12, 2017 19:34
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Mel Mudkiper posted:I genuinely do not understand what your point is here WWE sells their product to TV stations as sports programming, not as a drama, comedy or action-adventure series. They market it as a sport and compare it to sports.
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exploded mummy posted:So you think that WWE didn't promote their business as a sport in the Attitude Era except in the selective cases where you want to ignore it and pretend that it didn't happen. Thats not at all what I said. I said they didn't market their business as a sport specifically because they did a special one-time event where the whole appeal was "here look, an actual sport instead of what you expect" The NFL doesn't market itself as a theater company because once a year they put on a big half-time show
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Oct 12, 2017 19:36
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MassRafTer posted:WWE sells their product to TV stations as sports programming, not as a drama, comedy or action-adventure series. They market it as a sport and compare it to sports. They also attempt to buy off ESPN like the NFL does to cut down on investigative journalism too!
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MassRafTer posted:WWE sells their product to TV stations as sports programming, not as a drama, comedy or action-adventure series. They market it as a sport and compare it to sports. Unless its the longest running weekly scripted television program! Like, did you just forget when they didn't shut up about that for a year
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Oct 12, 2017 19:37
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If you click the Sports filter on TVguide.com it shows WWE. They are literally the guide to television. What higher authority is there?
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Mel Mudkiper posted:Unless its the longest running weekly scripted television program! They don't say scripted.
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Mel Mudkiper posted:Unless its the longest running weekly scripted television program! Actually they called it episodic, not scripted.
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'did you forget that they said this thing for a year?' *forgets what they said*
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rare Magic card l00k posted:Actually they called it episodic, not scripted. my bad still pretty much the same thing though. Episode inherently suggests scripted television. The NFL doesn't call its games episodes.
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Oct 12, 2017 19:40
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Hey guys, the wrestlers beat the poo poo out of each other each monday, then work a house show during the week, and do it all again on monday. Why do those loser UFC fighters need months to heal up? They're both real!
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Oct 12, 2017 19:42
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Mel Mudkiper posted:I genuinely do not understand what your point is here Can this just be the eternal thread title?
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Oct 12, 2017 19:42
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Mel Mudkiper posted:my bad WWE loves weird jargon and awkward phrasing.
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Mel Mudkiper posted:Thats not at all what I said. I said they didn't market their business as a sport specifically because they did a special one-time event where the whole appeal was "here look, an actual sport instead of what you expect" Wrestling is about finding popular gimmicks and angles to draw attendance and to handwave it away because it wasn't popular or successful enough is like saying that intergender violence is great but ignore how it totally killed Lucha Underground ratings it's all about context man. It rings hollow and is selectively ignoring evidence that does disprove the point.
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Oct 12, 2017 19:43
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i don't understand why the budget for the military is so high when we have The Avengers, and the Justice League as well, soon
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Oct 12, 2017 19:43
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exploded mummy posted:Wrestling is about finding popular gimmicks and angles to draw attendance and to handwave it away because it wasn't popular or successful enough is like saying that intergender violence is great but ignore how it totally killed Lucha Underground ratings it's all about context man. there is no evidence inter-gender violence killed Lucha Underground's ratings though. I am not ignoring it, I am saying its not true.
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Who'd win in a real fight? The runner-up in the May Young Classic, or anyone else on the roster with the exception of the Universal Champion?
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Mel Mudkiper posted:my bad Game shows are episodic So are reality shows The news is episodic
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Mel Mudkiper posted:there is no evidence inter-gender violence killed Lucha Underground's ratings though. I am not ignoring it, I am saying its not true. The Season 3 decline started right after Sexy Star's one week reign.
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Oct 12, 2017 19:47
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Mel Mudkiper posted:my bad Not the individual games, no. The television show "Monday Night Football" has episodes.
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Oct 12, 2017 19:48
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MassRafTer posted:The Season 3 decline started right after Sexy Star's one week reign. Is that evidence people didn't want to see intergender violence or evidence people didn't want to see Sexy Star For the record, I want to see neither
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wrestling is both a fake sport and performance art. it is a unique business, and one that i'll defend with my life. But I also think cruiserweights and other smaller folks shouldn't be allowed to fight big people because it looks too fake and makes me want to stop watching it. That's why i stopped watching lucha underground, chikara, and whenever WWF had maven eliminate the undertaker.
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exploded mummy posted:Game shows are episodic fair MassRafTer posted:The Season 3 decline started right after Sexy Star's one week reign. That wasn't their first inter-gender match though. Its been there since season 1. Sounds like a bad champ lowered ratings, not the fact she is a woman.
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I don't like watching inter-gender matches. I also get uncomfortable when there are man vs. woman fight scenes in movies. It's like trusting Quentin Tarantino with the N-word, is he really doing it for the integrity of the art or does he just want to write a script with a bunch of N-bombs in it?
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Oct 12, 2017 19:50
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SHUT UUUUUUUUUUUUUP!
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Mel Mudkiper posted:fair The show was also cancelled on its biggest outlet after Season 1.
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RacistGuidingLight posted:SHUT UUUUUUUUUUUUUP! 
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Chris James 2 posted:Is that evidence people didn't want to see intergender violence or evidence people didn't want to see Sexy Star The ratings drop didn't happen until after she LOST the title, so if ratings drops are because people didn't want to see her then they should have gone up after she lost. I can imagine nobody on earth caring about seeing Johnny Mundo though.
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My favorite PWG match had Candice LaRae get kicked in the head with thumbtacks and it was really cool live and it was very fun. I liked it ok thank you bye. 
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RacistGuidingLight posted:SHUT UUUUUUUUUUUUUP! I will but only counting right after this has been posted. I'm poosting it right now so it starts now. Right here after this in 3. 2. 1.
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Chris James 2 posted:Is that evidence people didn't want to see intergender violence or evidence people didn't want to see Sexy Star If I remember right there was a consistent trend where the ratings would go down for a few weeks after every episode with an intergender match.
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Anyway isn't the Carmella/Ellsworth stuff already enough for you creeps? Have you heard of clips4sale?
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