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So this is how the opioid crisis started. While doing some research, I saw this today: https://www.fda.gov/iceci/criminalinvestigations/ucm260715.htm quote:The FDA approved Actiq, a fentanyl product manufactured as a lollipop, for use only in opioid-tolerant cancer patients (meaning those patients for whom morphine-based painkillers are no longer effective). The drug is a strong and highly addictive narcotic, with significant potential for abuse. From 2001 through at least 2006, Cephalon was allegedly promoting the drug for non-cancer patients to use for such maladies as migraines, sickle-cell pain crises, injuries, and in anticipation of changing wound dressings or radiation therapy. Cephalon also promoted Actiq for use in patients who were not yet opioid-tolerant, and for whom it could have life-threatening results. Apparently in the 2000s pharma companies literally put fentanyl in a lollipop. It was only supposed to be used for relief of cancer pain, but the company that made it sent sales reps to doctors offices flogging it for everything, including "such maladies as migraines, sickle-cell pain crises, injuries, and in anticipation of changing wound dressings or radiation therapy." So the doctor would end up literally giving you a fentanyl lollipop for complaining about headaches. And of course this incredibly illegal behavior was just settled with a slap-on-the-wrist fine and no one even went close to a jail. While normal folks get life in prison for selling a tiny bit of crack. gently caress these people. (End rant)
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Oct 12, 2017 22:34
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Wanna put thar lolli in my anus
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Oct 12, 2017 22:35
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If we were truly free, you could buy lollipops made of whatever drug you like.
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Oct 12, 2017 22:35
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Those are devices used to treat dying cancer patients. They aren’t actually lollipops. Jesus Christ
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Oct 12, 2017 22:36
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in sunday school we made lollipops with real lemons !
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Oct 12, 2017 22:36
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I wonder if lawsuits are in order. I have a family member who became addicted to these lollipops in that same time period (I think they were prescribed to her for Lyme disease). Her addiction was very severe, it caused terrible rifts in her home life, and it took her years to kick the habit and get back to normal.
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Oct 12, 2017 22:36
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We're all dead
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Oct 12, 2017 22:37
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Where can I get one
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Oct 12, 2017 22:38
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facebook jihad posted:Those are devices used to treat dying cancer patients. They aren’t actually lollipops. Jesus Christ Supposed to be used to treat cancer patients. But if you read the linked article, the company that made it sent sales reps to doctors' offices and illegally convinced doctors to prescribe it for much less serious conditions like headaches. It's literally drug dealing. Except if you are a drug dealer while being a rich corporate executive, you don't go to jail apparently. Your company pays a fine and you keep your stock options and year-end bonus. sincx fucked around with this message at 22:40 on Oct 12, 2017 |
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Oct 12, 2017 22:38
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sincx posted:Supposed to be used to treat cancer patients. But if you read the linked article, the company that made it sent sales reps to doctors' offices and illegally convinced doctors to prescribe it for much less serious conditions like headaches. It's literally drug dealing. Except if you are a drug dealer while being a rich corporate executive, you don't go to jail. Your company pays a fine and you keep stock options and year-end bonus.
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Oct 12, 2017 22:40
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sincx posted:Supposed to be used to treat cancer patients. But if you read the linked article, the company that made it sent sales reps to doctors' offices and illegally convinced doctors to prescribe it for much less serious conditions like headaches. It's literally drug dealing. Except if you are a drug dealer while being a rich corporate executive, you don't go to jail apparently. Your company pays a fine and you keep your stock options and year-end bonus. Well yeah that is pretty lovely. But they aren’t actually lollipops, like the candy
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Oct 12, 2017 22:42
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I read about how these are used by military medics on people who have been shot and it's really clever. IIRC, the medics will basically tape one of these to the injured guy's hand and have him put the lollipop in his mouth. When he has received enough medication, he will naturally relax and pass out, letting his hand and the lolipop fall to his side. This way the medic doesn't have to stay with him and constantly monitor the amount of painkiller he is getting.
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sincx posted:So this is how the opioid crisis started. available in doses up to 1600mcg jesus christ  you'd have to have a hell of a tolerance for that not to kill you ten times over Pawn 17 posted:I read about how these are used by military medics on people who have been shot and it's really clever. IIRC, the medics will basically tape one of these to the injured guy's hand and have him put the lollipop in his mouth. When he has received enough medication, he will naturally relax and pass out, letting his hand and the lolipop fall to his side. This way the medic doesn't have to stay with him and constantly monitor the amount of painkiller he is getting. yeah, but, uh, what if it gets stuck?
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facebook jihad posted:Those are devices used to treat dying cancer patients. They aren’t actually lollipops. Jesus Christ The issue with delivering a medication like fentanyl this way is that it's easy to overdose and if somebody doesn't have a high opioid tolerance overuse will either kill them outright or get them grievously addicted. Fentanyl is vastly more powerful than morphine and more addictive than heroin. There's very little reason for most people, even cancer patients, to use it unless they've exhausted all other options. Fentanyl drugs shouldn't be marketed at all because they are supposed to be a last line painkiller, there is nothing more powerful that is intended for human use. Writing people scrips for these and sending them home with them is unconscionable, fentanyl is the kind of thing that should only be administered by a doctor.
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Oct 12, 2017 22:47
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goddamn man, i cant read that
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Oct 12, 2017 22:49
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Nut to Butt posted:If we were truly free, you could buy lollipops made of whatever drug you like. Plus we could smoke inside restaurants!
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Oct 12, 2017 22:52
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Mirthless posted:The issue with delivering a medication like fentanyl this way is that it's easy to overdose and if somebody doesn't have a high opioid tolerance overuse will either kill them outright or get them grievously addicted. Fentanyl is vastly more powerful than morphine and more addictive than heroin. There's very little reason for most people, even cancer patients, to use it unless they've exhausted all other options. Fentanyl drugs shouldn't be marketed at all because they are supposed to be a last line painkiller, there is nothing more powerful that is intended for human use. Writing people scrips for these and sending them home with them is unconscionable, fentanyl is the kind of thing that should only be administered by a doctor. Yeah I completely agree and this poo poo is weird. But the existence of the lollipops is fine because their intentional use is for like terminal cancer patients in palliative care. If they are being marketed for literally anything else then that is crazy
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Oct 12, 2017 22:56
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Mirthless posted:yeah, but, uh, what if it gets stuck? then he's choking and will spit it out.
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Oct 12, 2017 22:59
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What he said:sincx posted:So the doctor would end up literally giving you a fentanyl lollipop for complaining about headaches. What he meant: sincx posted:I’ve never had a severe migraine or cluster headache in my entire life ☺️ I’m not advocating using the most powerful painkiller out there for this, but come on man.
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Oct 12, 2017 22:59
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who can get me some oxy
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Badass.
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Oct 12, 2017 23:01
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facebook jihad posted:Yeah I completely agree and this poo poo is weird. But the existence of the lollipops is fine because their intentional use is for like terminal cancer patients in palliative care. If they are being marketed for literally anything else then that is crazy No one said they shouldn't make them. Just that they're over-prescribed.
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Oct 12, 2017 23:02
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i used to get those in the hospital they were great
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Oct 12, 2017 23:02
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Lol if you weren't in Iraq in the 00z sucking fenpops and shoootin hajs! Yeah! Woop Woop!
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Oct 12, 2017 23:03
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every morning i got one witj brrakfast
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Oct 12, 2017 23:03
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so can my doctor still hook me up with some samples? i got weekends
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The reason they put fentanyl in lollipops was because it was easier for late stage palliative patients to ingest
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drans posted:The reason they put fentanyl in lollipops was because it was easier for late stage palliative patients to ingest hiw hard is it to injest a shot
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Oct 12, 2017 23:06
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Enfield posted:every morning i got one witj brrakfast How many could you stick onto your weird burn wounds at a time
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Spin Magazine interviewed Evel Knievel around 1999 and those lolipops were keeping him from feeling every bone and joint he shattered. Heavy narcotics have legit uses, but people loving love opiates and will get there fix however they can. Give them safer legal options and heroin and fenty wouldn't be a problem. Drug prohibition started as a way to harass racial minorities, doing nothing to stop people using, now we have a worse situation. Risk and cost cause drug producers and dealers to seek more potent and cost effective formulas, giving us the poo poo we have now. Just let people have straight opium like they did for thousands of years.
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gently caress i remember these. my buddy in high school had a cousin with terminal cancer who had a crazy amount of opiate scripts for the fent pops, fent patches, OC 80s, vicodin 1000s etc. and would hook us up with whatever we wanted. Of course, once the cousin passed away we all ended up getting hooked on heroin, oops!
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SCROTO TURBOSPERG posted:How many could you stick onto your weird burn wounds at a time i put thdm in my.mouth idiot
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Opiates are the Bees Knees!
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Oct 12, 2017 23:10
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drans posted:The reason they put fentanyl in lollipops was because it was easier for late stage palliative patients to ingest Oh, so that’s why they didn’t put it in enchiladas.
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Millions of Crows posted:Spin Magazine interviewed Evel Knievel around 1999 and those lolipops were keeping him from feeling every bone and joint he shattered.
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Oct 12, 2017 23:14
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Patton Oswalt’s dead wife probably had one.
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drans posted:The reason they put fentanyl in lollipops was because it was easier for late stage palliative patients to ingest yeah but that doesn't sell enough units gently caress the pharmaceutical industry, seriously
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facebook jihad posted:Those are devices used to treat dying cancer patients. They aren’t actually lollipops. Jesus Christ facebook jihad posted:Yeah I completely agree and this poo poo is weird. But the existence of the lollipops is fine because their intentional use is for like terminal cancer patients in palliative care. If they are being marketed for literally anything else then that is crazy lmao doctors gave out fentanyl lollipops like candy, what are you even arguing dude
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Victis posted:lmao doctors gave out fentanyl lollipops like candy, what are you even arguing dude well they ARE candy, so
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