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I'm glad that we have all come to the logical conclusion that women should not be allowed to perform with their male peers and that anyone who supports it wants to see women getting beaten down in the middle of the ring for 15 minutes instead of an actual wrestling match. Thank you all for providing evidence that lucha underground failed because it allowed a woman to compete and win a title, and not because it was a wildly experimental show in an almost entirely different format from traditional wrestling.
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Oct 12, 2017 22:35
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schweens posted:The Royal Rumble is intergender and that's canon It's no DQ and very illegal.
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tweet my meat posted:I'm glad that we have all come to the logical conclusion that women should not be allowed to perform with their male peers and that anyone who supports it wants to see women getting beaten down in the middle of the ring for 15 minutes instead of an actual wrestling match. it is hilarious that somehow people watch this product with all of its incredibly bad decisions and the thing that most leaps out to them is "hay why arent the women and men beating each other up i thought we had EQUALITY?? kek"
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tweet my meat posted:I'm glad that we have all come to the logical conclusion that women should not be allowed to perform with their male peers and that anyone who supports it wants to see women getting beaten down in the middle of the ring for 15 minutes instead of an actual wrestling match. Great post please post this in the UFC thread as well this isn't me trying to make a point I think it'd just be funny if you posted it in the UFC thread
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tweet my meat posted:I'm glad that we have all come to the logical conclusion that women should not be allowed to perform with their male peers and that anyone who supports it wants to see women getting beaten down in the middle of the ring for 15 minutes instead of an actual wrestling match. A wrestling show: But bad is not experimental it is tried and true.
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Oct 12, 2017 22:39
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Fiveace Attorney posted:thanks trump lover for your nuanced view on gender relations and how women fighting dudes is going to save the carny business That's the default avatar now, I didn't pick it, and I'm not saying that intergender wrestling is going to save a company that pushes Jinder and a guy who shows up once a month or so as champions. While I can understand being really iffy about it, I stand by my point that the WWE women's divisions are loaded with wrestlers on the same level or even better than the wrestlers in the men's division and that they could put on some legendary matches if allowed to. Do I think that WWE would handle intergender wrestling properly? Probably not, but I still support it as a concept.
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Oct 12, 2017 22:48
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women should generally not be wrestling men for the same reason women should not be fighting men in ufc, because the minute you have a guy beating on a woman getting heat (which does not take 15 minutes) you're promoting that and have it on your head
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Oct 12, 2017 22:53
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Sugar Blaster posted:when was the last time wwe did one of those awkward intergender tag matches where the match itself would come to a screeching halt every time a tag was made on account of the children's toy company they're beholden to said they couldn't have men and women fight one another anymore? Just this year alone they had Cena/Nikki vs. Miz/Maryse (at WrestleMania!) and Sasha/Rich Swann vs. Alicia/Noam Dar (remember when that was a thing?)
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Fiveace Attorney posted:women should generally not be wrestling men for the same reason women should not be fighting men in ufc, because the minute you have a guy beating on a woman getting heat (which does not take 15 minutes) you're promoting that and have it on your head This is a mortal kombat caused columbine level of stupid. e: women don't fight men in the UFC because it wouldn't be a balanced fight.
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Gumball Gumption posted:This is a mortal kombat caused columbine level of stupid.
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Fiveace Attorney posted:women should generally not be wrestling men for the same reason women should not be fighting men in ufc, because the minute you have a guy beating on a woman getting heat (which does not take 15 minutes) you're promoting that and have it on your head Fair point, and I agree to an extent, even if comparing ufc to Sports Entertainment is kinda silly. Though I don't think even modern WWE would be stupid enough (but they're always full of surprises) to have a woman job in an intergender segment just to drum up heat. Save it for more or less equal footing feuds and don't bust it out all the time. Midcarders against midcarders, main eventers against main eventers, etc. As long as you're careful to avoid situations like that where it's just one sided, I think it could be done very well. You probably couldn't do those drawn out bloody feuds with brutal chair beatdowns every other week, but that still leaves plenty of room to write some good wrestling.
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I just don't know what world you live in where you think a fake inter-gender wrestling match = a woman being beaten unconscious. How is something like this, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p21SWs4PA3s, Ricochet vs. Tessa Blanchard, not a fun match?
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tweet my meat posted:Fair point, and I agree to an extent. Though I don't think even modern WWE would be stupid enough (but they're always full of surprises) to have a woman job in an intergender segment just to drum up heat. Save it for more or less equal footing feuds and don't bust it out all the time. Midcarders against midcarders, main eventers against main eventers, etc.
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Gumball Gumption posted:I just don't know what world you live in where you think a fake inter-gender wrestling match = a woman being beaten unconscious. How is something like this, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p21SWs4PA3s, Ricochet vs. Tessa Blanchard, not a fun match?
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My honest opinion on intergender wrestling is I think the concept of it is cool but I think you write yourself into a corner very quickly because I dunno if many people would buy a woman beating on a dude to get heat and I think a man beating on a woman to get heat would be very uncomfortable very quickly and would kinda mark that guy as a douchebag heel forever. So basically I think it'd be sorta impossible to do with a traditional heel/face dynamic. And it's definitely light years out of WWE's capabilities. They do mixed matches fairly often but theyre very stilted and obviously the men never get any offense on the women. I think the closest we came was one time Sasha and Charlotte kicked Rusev out of the ring and he looked like he was gonna beat the holy hell out of them before Roman came down and was roundly booed.
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Given it's worked, there's less of a reason that you can't have intergender matches, since in theory, Sasha Banks vs. say, Dean Ambrose is much less of a physical mismatch than Rey Mysterio vs. Mark Henry. If you had Sasha beat Dean on the next Raw, people would just be absolutely baffled much akin to the Jinder megapush(on top of just Jinder being bad). It'd take a long task of viewer conditioning and making it gradual. If the WWE really wanted to do this, an overly dominant woman trying to break into the Cruiserweight division would actually be a good first step. I dunno, if they don't horribly mangle Asuka, she's booked as a continued unstoppable monster to the point where she's defeated all comers, she turns to some lower end Cruiser and goes at it. Really, I think you'd need someone like Beth Phoenix-style to sell it, definitely at first. A 'hoss' style woman who is still seen as decently agile and very skilled. Someone exceptional. Also see: if Chyna was a much better worker than what she was. That said, this would require nuance, subtlety, and tastefulness as an approach, and also excellent booking. WWE is currently 0 for 4 so none of this is going to happen. We'll get Vince vs. Stephanie again before any of this. VJeff posted:Every male wrestler needs to buddy up with a female wrestler that they can call to beat up Steph for them. A woman who takes money to beat up authority figures the guys aren't allowed to is something I can get behind. A PC-APA where someone just uses the loophole to their advantage for cash would be a fun gimmick. Every time Stephanie goes overboard and demeans someone, they pay her, and she steps out, starting to tape her fists and earning another paycheck.
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NameHurtBrain posted:Given it's worked, there's less of a reason that you can't have intergender matches, since in theory, Sasha Banks vs. say, Dean Ambrose is much less of a physical mismatch than Rey Mysterio vs. Mark Henry. If you had Sasha beat Dean on the next Raw, people would just be absolutely baffled much akin to the Jinder megapush(on top of just Jinder being bad). It'd take a long task of viewer conditioning and making it gradual. If the WWE really wanted to do this, an overly dominant woman trying to break into the Cruiserweight division would actually be a good first step. worked so well in WCW with Madusa
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You said a woman wrestling a man would be the same as a woman fighting a man in the ufc. I posted an example showing that they don't have to be the same or presented the same way.
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I mean Asuka as a Cruiserweight sounds good on paper but I'm like 98% positive it'd just end with her telling some dude to stiff slap the poo poo outta her again.
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VJeff posted:My honest opinion on intergender wrestling is I think the concept of it is cool but I think you write yourself into a corner very quickly because I dunno if many people would buy a woman beating on a dude to get heat and I think a man beating on a woman to get heat would be very uncomfortable very quickly and would kinda mark that guy as a douchebag heel forever. Honestly yeah. I don't think the culture as a whole could handle it anytime in the near future with the current political climate, and it would require a very skilled hand behind the scenes to write it, which WWE does not have. If you were gonna do it, crossover with 205 would probably be the best way to ease into it.
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Oct 12, 2017 23:16
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VJeff posted:I mean Asuka as a Cruiserweight sounds good on paper but I'm like 98% positive it'd just end with her telling some dude to stiff slap the poo poo outta her again. i saw a video on youtube of Kana having an intergender match in Japan and it was possibly the most uncomfortable thing i've ever seen in my life
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Gumball Gumption posted:You said a woman wrestling a man would be the same as a woman fighting a man in the ufc. I posted an example showing that they don't have to be the same or presented the same way. quote:women should generally not be wrestling men for the same reason women should not be fighting men in ufc
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Alaois posted:i saw a video on youtube of Kana having an intergender match in Japan and it was possibly the most uncomfortable thing i've ever seen in my life And she's the one who fuckin booked it!
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Alaois posted:i saw a video on youtube of Kana having an intergender match in Japan and it was possibly the most uncomfortable thing i've ever seen in my life Fun fact, if it is the Kana/Suzuki match she booked it.
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i mean if i had the opportunity to get beaten up by Minoru Suzuki i'm not saying i wouldn't take it but i also wouldn't film it and put it on tv
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Oct 12, 2017 23:21
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And not make money off of it? I'd put it on tv.
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Oct 12, 2017 23:22
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Becky or charlotte should have beaten Ellsworth up for messing up mitb
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Alaois posted:i mean if i had the opportunity to get beaten up by Minoru Suzuki i'm not saying i wouldn't take it but i also wouldn't film it and put it on tv The story behind it was a thing. If I recall, Asuka/Kana (just going to say Asuka from here on) pissed off her peers in Japan (her Joshi Manifesto, don't google it as there is also a gravure dvd of the same name), so she booked herself into a match with Suzuki as a way to apologize. Here are the basics of the manifesto, taken from reddit: quote:Okay, the general idea is that Asuka (kana at the time) had been a wrestler for roughly five years at the time. If people were aware, got into wrestling due to male wrestling both japanese and wwe. And after half a decade into her career, she found herself largely disillusioned and disgusted by the joshi scene which she found overly stylized and more focused on how the women looked than the product itself.
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Oct 12, 2017 23:39
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Bring back the warlord and a full nelson challenge
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DarkstarIV posted:(her Joshi Manifesto, don't google it as there is also a gravure dvd of the same name) *googles*
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I can see both sides of it, brutal violence against women isn't going to make any normal person not feel weird, and I don't ever expect to see it on TV, but it's also fake. There are all kinds of TV shows and movies where women beat up, and get beat up by, men. Here's my compromise: The women can wrestle men, but only on 205 live
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CrcleSqreSanchz posted:Bring back the warlord and a full nelson challenge The masterlock challenge was cool So was the five minute white boy challenge And ryback and braun killing ellsworthesque dudes And the Steiner brothers killing ellsworthesque dudes Basically bring back "local talent"
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Oct 12, 2017 23:42
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Listen, if they can book Dean Ambrose losing a match do the interference of a ghost, then they can credibly book a man vs woman match.
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Marquis de Pyro posted:I can see both sides of it, brutal violence against women isn't going to make any normal person not feel weird, and I don't ever expect to see it on TV, but it's also fake. There are all kinds of TV shows and movies where women beat up, and get beat up by, men. It has to be believeable that the women can lose though
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I'm here for the Apollo Crews vs Rhyno best of infinity series. Better than what they're doing now anyway
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projecthalaxy posted:Basically bring back "local talent" I've been saying they need to do this for years. Does it need to be every match? Certainly not, but if the purpose of the match is to showcase one particular wrestler, then you shouldn't need to do it at the expense of another established wrestler. It would certainly cut down on the 50-50 booking we see now.
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Junpei Hyde posted:When was the last time a load of posts in a WWE discussion thread meant anything good.
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I know you're all stuck in your old ways, but times are changing, and it's time to let Ellsworth wrestle in the women's division. He' earned that briefcase and he's ready to show the world what he's made of.
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Gumball Gumption posted:I just don't know what world you live in where you think a fake inter-gender wrestling match = a woman being beaten unconscious. How is something like this, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p21SWs4PA3s, Ricochet vs. Tessa Blanchard, not a fun match? Ricochet is a steroid midget, so him being beaten by a woman is believable.
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