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 The Year is 123 BC For years the Patricians have been consolidating power. Those working the land were swept away in favor of large estates worked by slaves. Hundreds of thousands of farmers were forced to settle in Rome, where there were few opportunities. A few reformers came along.  Tiberius Gracchus became Tribune, and in this time that was the most powerful office representing the majority of the people. He was very popular. His brother, Gaius, then became Tribune and worked to expand the rights of Citizen to non-Romans. The farmers who were forced out by huge landholders were so poor they weren't even allowed to join the army. The Gracchi brothers were intent on changing this situation and fought long and hard, and they had a lot of support from the people and even some Patricians. As popular Tribunes, they had a lot of power. A lot of people were bribed and instigated to kill them, because this was too dangerous to the status quo and the people who were already in power. 
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anyway this is the general Roman History thread! Good stuff, doesn't everyone love this?
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Oct 13, 2017 01:47
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Oct 13, 2017 01:54
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How come Romans had like a dozen names between them? Every other famous politician and general is named Gaius or some poo poo
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Oct 13, 2017 02:03
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alsothere posted:How come Romans had like a dozen names between them? Every other famous politician and general is named Gaius or some poo poo
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Oct 13, 2017 02:31
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who would you vote for sulla or marius
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Oct 13, 2017 02:51
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Typo posted:who would you vote for sulla or marius Optimates ad vitam!
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Oct 13, 2017 02:53
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alsothere posted:How come Romans had like a dozen names between them? Every other famous politician and general is named Gaius or some poo poo I'm dumb now but I think it's something like: 'First name' = your individual name 'Family name' = the major family you come from, ie the 'Julia' or 'Gracchi' 'Clan name' = rome originally conducted its democratic process based off 13 or something clans and gently caress if I remember any of it So if 'Brother Friendship' is my individual name, C-Spam would be clan name and SA would be my family name. So my Roman SA handle is 'Brother Friendship Something Awful C-Spam'...or something idk
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Oct 13, 2017 03:05
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Ali Alkali posted:Ancient rome only had like 30-40 forenames, some of the more famous were based on numbers; Decimus, Sextus, quinitus, octavius etc. sextus, the sex roman nice
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Oct 13, 2017 03:05
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Mandatory for thread: https://www.amazon.com/The-History-of-Ancient-Rome/dp/B00DTO54Q4/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1507860382&sr=8-1&keywords=ancient+rome+fagan
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Oct 13, 2017 03:06
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Ali Alkali posted:Ancient rome only had like 30-40 forenames, some of the more famous were based on numbers; Decimus, Sextus, quinitus, octavius etc. romans had three names, a praenomen (first name), a nomen (family name) and a cognomen (nickname). the first name shortage got much worse as time went on, so that by the early empire (from 27BC) there were only a dozen in common use by most families. praenomens were also highly family-specific, some families would frequently reuse a handful. the problem made it impossible to identify individuals by the traditional praenomen-nomen scheme, so increasingly the cognomen, originally a nickname, started to be included with the other two or even supplant the praenomen; to make things more confusing, people could take multiple congomena, and they were often inherited. different people went by different configurations of names, so you have octavianus, pompey magnus, marcus aemilius lepidus, the latter of whom's father was also named marcus aemilius lepidus. During the empire, individuals enfranchised or emancipated by an emperor usually took the praenomen and nomen of that emperor, and since this usually happened en masse this made the nomen problem even worse. by the late empire many people are known soleley by cognomens and only a few ancient aristocratic families still gave their kids praenomina. fun fact: since cognomen were nicknames, their meanings were readily apparent to contemporaries and names often sound strange when translated into english. julius caesar's name could be translated as "hairy julius", 'cicero' means 'chickpea', etc. Roman history is basically a bunch of ancient italians with names like "Fingers Mike", and "Little Antony" running around stabbing each other
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Oct 13, 2017 04:36
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Caesar was like a competent Trump; a generation later after the mishaps of the original post, Caesar used the popular dissatisfaction of the Senate to overthrow the old guard. The Republic continued, but only in name from then on. The Senate still exercised power, but only in an advisory role and never over leadership.
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Oct 13, 2017 06:15
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i wish caesar would stop tweeting
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Oct 13, 2017 06:19
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when does Kratos come into the picture
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Oct 13, 2017 06:42
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Taintrunner posted:when does Kratos come into the picture that's Greece and they got owned by the Romans at the Battle of Thermopylae, not the gay 300 one but the one where the Romans just ran around the Macedonian Phalanx and knocked them all down with huge shields and stabbed them with short swords.
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Oct 13, 2017 06:46
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Typo posted:who would you vote for sulla or marius i probably would have been a slave
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Oct 13, 2017 06:48
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Yandat posted:that's Greece and they got owned by the Romans at the Battle of Thermopylae, not the gay 300 one but the one where the Romans just ran around the Macedonian Phalanx and knocked them all down with huge shields and stabbed them with short swords. when does Rygar come into the picture
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Oct 13, 2017 07:28
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carthage did nothing wrong
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Oct 13, 2017 07:28
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rudatron posted:carthage did nothing wrong they gave up all their weapons to the Romans after surrendering and then were all slaughtered while wielding half baked spears cato was an rear end in a top hat
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Oct 13, 2017 07:32
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Brother Friendship posted:Mandatory for thread: Garret G. Fagan is definitely the name of someone who learned to prefer dead peoples over live ones in school.
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Oct 13, 2017 12:49
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Fallen Hamprince posted:
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Best Giraffe posted:Romans were exactly like Italian-americans, apparently??? There was a poster in the Rome A/T thread who literally believed this
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Oct 13, 2017 14:41
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Best Giraffe posted:Romans were exactly like Italian-americans, apparently??? When HBO produced Rome they specifically cast extras as Italians because the show creators thought that Italians had a special arrogance in how they walked that made them more 'Roman'.
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Oct 13, 2017 17:39
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Best Giraffe posted:Romans were exactly like Italian-americans, apparently??? Eh, I'm decimating over 'ere!
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Oct 13, 2017 18:09
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Brother Friendship posted:When HBO produced Rome they specifically cast extras as Italians because the show creators thought that Italians had a special arrogance in how they walked that made them more 'Roman'. But sadly for the Italians they couldn't pull off the British Roman accent
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Oct 13, 2017 18:31
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jc did nothing wrong
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Oct 13, 2017 18:50
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nopantsjack posted:But sadly for the Italians they couldn't pull off the British Roman accent 
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Oct 13, 2017 18:50
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Antony, cucked by Octavian, getting up in them Macedonian guts down in Alexandria. Actually i guess octavian was the cuck since he adopted tiberius. Anyway, there's this bbc show from the 70's called "i, clavdivs" (claudius) that is a good show. The narrative framing device for one episode is a guy falling asleep while trying to poo poo, for example. Also, every episode ends with a weird dissonant brass hit that never fails to elicit a guffaw.
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Oct 13, 2017 19:02
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Lawman 0 posted:There was a poster in the Rome A/T thread who literally believed this Megan Mcardle?
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Oct 13, 2017 20:09
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Lawman 0 posted:There was a poster in the Rome A/T thread who literally believed this Rome did not have Italians, fuckwit
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Oct 13, 2017 20:12
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i love the stories about the weird contraptions popular in the temples of rich places like alexandria and pergamum during the late hellenistic/early roman imperial periods. articulated statues hooked up to pressure plates that would pivot on their pedestals to wave at templegoers as they neared the threshold, others that would talk or produce lights through automation. the same technology was put to practical uses like the antikythera analog computer, complex war machines etc. but it's neat to see it turned to uses as benign as making the equivalent of carnival attractions for religious sites
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Oct 13, 2017 20:20
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i took ancient history classes for three years straight in middle school, but every time the school year ended, we'd never have enough time for rome. i'm interested in learning more through this thread
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zeal posted:i love the stories about the weird contraptions popular in the temples of rich places like alexandria and pergamum during the late hellenistic/early roman imperial periods. articulated statues hooked up to pressure plates that would pivot on their pedestals to wave at templegoers as they neared the threshold, others that would talk or produce lights through automation. the same technology was put to practical uses like the antikythera analog computer, complex war machines etc. but it's neat to see it turned to uses as benign as making the equivalent of carnival attractions for religious sites it's ancient six flags except instead of roller coasters you get high and contemplate the nature of mithra
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The dude that does the Revolutions podcast (and who before that did an entire multi-year series on Rome's history) is coming out with a book that I believe is about this period of Roman history, I'm excited. Dan Carlin also did some Hardcore History episodes about it if you need 20+ hours of audio for something. History is cool and if you could make any money with a history degree I might have studied that in college instead. Yandat posted:that's Greece and they got owned by the Romans at the Battle of Thermopylae, not the gay 300 one but the one where the Romans just ran around the Macedonian Phalanx and knocked them all down with huge shields and stabbed them with short swords. CAESAR! *click*
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Bro Dad posted:it's ancient six flags except instead of roller coasters you get high and contemplate the nature of mithra there's an element of the classical mediterranean world that's often overlooked by moderns, which is that aside from cocaine (which was originally a product of the andean mountains), through extensive and continuous trade with places as far eastern as southern China the mediterranean civilizations, from the pre-Persian era through the Roman Empire, had access to most of the non-synthetic drugs we now enjoy today. i'm more familiar with roman than greek or persian drug use so that's what i'll describe the romans didn't usually smoke their weed, though that did happen sometimes; they certainly had the glassblowing chops to make water pipes. far more popular were edible marijuana preparations: teas, and jellied hash treats analogous to modern turkish delight. poppy products, i.e. opium, were also known and used in the roman world, initially as a medical tool for pain relief like modern morphine (prescribed by no less an ancient medical authority than galen), but before too long as a recreational substance. the india trade, through which most of these drugs arrived in the mediterranean basin, passed up the Nile from ports on the Persian Gulf, as well as mesopotamian ports in what's now southeast iraq. the india trade really dates back to the sumerians, who called the areas of modern india and pakistan they traded with melugga, and it's fair to assume that each of the kingdoms and empires that maintained control of the ports around modern basra all partook of india-raised hemp and poppy drug products
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Dreddout posted:Rome did not have Italians, fuckwit https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3yon2GyoiM
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C-Euro posted:The dude that does the Revolutions podcast (and who before that did an entire multi-year series on Rome's history) is coming out with a book that I believe is about this period of Roman history, I'm excited. Dan Carlin also did some Hardcore History episodes about it if you need 20+ hours of audio for something. dan carlin especially so
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Oct 15, 2017 03:34
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best Rome podcast is Fall of Rome with Patrick Wyman
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Yandat posted:best Rome podcast is Fall of Rome with Patrick Wyman best twitter handle to follow for the Fall of Rome is @realdonaldtrump
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Brother Friendship posted:best twitter handle to follow for the Fall of Rome is @realdonaldtrump the romans maintained a way cooler, more effective, and infinitely more stylish empire than this loving dumpster fire. even the dog days of the western empire managed to produce people like flavius aetius
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