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Al Borland Corp. posted:It's discussion of how his species adapted to their environment, which plays out in how Mercer and Malloy defeat the Krill.  I liked that it was very Trek to have a thematically relevant "the crew, just doing stuff" cold-open.
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Yeah, it's that we see Bortus eat glass and ceramics without harm, an act which would kill a human without prompt medical attention. Mercer and the pilot whose name I can't remember do much the same thing. They turn on bright UV lights, a hazard which is lethal to the aliens but only inconvenient to humans. At the very least you have to see that the show is setting up this idea from the very beginning. It's a nice bit of writing to be able to turn a visual gag into a thematic through-line. Whichever engineer was responsible for Designing the lighting system on that Krill ship is going to be in big trouble. Whatever reason prompted them to use a light source capable of putting out lethal radiation is going to look a lot less important in light of recent events. Arglebargle III fucked around with this message at 00:14 on Oct 15, 2017 |
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I just rewatched the ‘open hail. This is captain Ed merc-‘ ‘hang on, I haven’t done it yet’ bit, and I forgot how good a bit it is. It’s a nice little riff on Trek’s impossibly fast communications. (Personally I always hated the ‘hail them, mr worf’ <literally one second passes> ‘no response captain’ thing. Give them time to acknowledge, guys! The comms console might be across the room, and they’ve got to get over there! God, you impatient pricks...)
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The_Doctor posted:I just rewatched the ‘open hail. This is captain Ed merc-‘ ‘hang on, I haven’t done it yet’ bit, and I forgot how good a bit it is. It’s a nice little riff on Trek’s impossibly fast communications. "What about the automatic fire suppression systems?" "That's the console that's on fire!"
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The_Doctor posted:I just rewatched the ‘open hail. This is captain Ed merc-‘ ‘hang on, I haven’t done it yet’ bit, and I forgot how good a bit it is. It’s a nice little riff on Trek’s impossibly fast communications. They always hail when I'm in the can.
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Last episode Isaac learned about pranks. This episode he's in on the "Eat my weapon" gag, having designed the holo-emitters.
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Arglebargle III posted:Mercer and the pilot whose name I can't remember Oh you mean Devan?
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Caufman posted:Oh you mean Devan? It was totally spelled Devyn.
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Snak posted:I assume this is a joke, but sabotaging an HVAC to distribute freon gas could incapacitate people, but it would be impossible to accurately control the density of freon gas being dispersed. It's taking something ridiculous seriously (for fun). Also, you don't need to control dose beyond, "a lot." This is especially true if the thing's also on fire.
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I like how Bortus comes across as super serious but is actually a fun guy who likes to dick around with the crew. He just does't emote like everyone else.
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Watching the most recent episode and my wife said “man, I wish I was part of that crew.” The lady is easily the least nerdy person I know, but despite it all she is right on board with this show and is eagerly looking forward to new episodes. I can’t help but think that MacFarlane and friends must be doing something right. Shame the ratings don’t reflect that :/.
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Mooseontheloose posted:I like how Bortus comes across as super serious but is actually a fun guy who likes to dick around with the crew. He just does't emote like everyone else. "What about strip clubs?" "Bortus, you don't have to answer that." "...there are no strip clubs."
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I finally got around to watching this episode and I am in love. I'm getting optimistic SciFi. I'm getting tense situations. I'm getting really funny jokes(I had to pause when he yelled 'That is a new leg!' because I was laughing so hard). And best of all, I got just a bit of dark mixed in for shock value. I hope this show gets seven years and they flush Discovery at the end of the season.
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swickles posted:It was totally spelled Devyn. That's the krill spelling. edit: re-watching the episode, I'm finding more depth in the krill. Unlike ISIS terrorists or the commanders of the Republic of Gilead, believers in Avis are not hypocritical about their beliefs. This explains why they're so polite and trusting with one another: they take their kinship seriously. But for one fundamental erroneous interpretation, krill society would compliment the rest of the Union. The current regime mistakenly believes that when Avis said all krill are brothers, he only meant the sapient creation made on their homeworld. In truth, the same forces of the universe made the humans and the krill alike. They are brothers in one cosmos. Caufman fucked around with this message at 03:29 on Oct 15, 2017 |
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Hulu subtitles says Devon.
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Strange spelling for a Krill name.
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Caufman posted:That's the krill spelling. Assuming the show goes long enough I'm sure we'll see Krill heretics who preach exactly that someday
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I'd be great if they went full Minbari, amd it waa revealled that not all Krill are like the ones we've seen, but their Warrior Caste is currently dominating the political landscape.
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I joined a Facebook group for this show and apparently the moral of this episode was that muslims are evil and can't be reasoned with.
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If you're looking for that message I can see how you'd get it but uh you have to really want it
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Porpoise With A Purpose posted:I joined a Facebook group for this show and apparently the moral of this episode was that muslims are evil and can't be reasoned with. Well that's... a nuanced... vi... eww.
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Porpoise With A Purpose posted:I joined a Facebook group for this show and apparently the moral of this episode was that muslims are evil and can't be reasoned with. I got that indoctrination can be subverted through exposure to other cultures... if you're lucky. Hate is learned.
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CAPT. Rainbowbeard posted:I got that indoctrination can be subverted through exposure to other cultures... if you're lucky. Hate is learned. Pretty sure that's the actual moral but Facebook is a cesspool of right wing nutjobs.
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What do you wanna bet their entire argument for why the Krill are supposed to represent Muslims still works perfectly if you replace Islam with Christianity
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cheetah7071 posted:What do you wanna bet their entire argument for why the Krill are supposed to represent Muslims still works perfectly if you replace Islam with Christianity Given MacFarlane's background, I took it as a general commentary on religion. He's not quiet on his views on organized religion. He did have a joke in Family Guy where a timeline where Christianity didn't exist resulted in a hyper technologically advanced civilization that could cure AIDS with a single pill.
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Yeah it's pretty easy to read the episode as pro-atheism and I wouldn't fault anybody for thinking that was one of the primary messages. Singling out a specific religion doesn't match the show's message in the slightest though
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Zoro posted:Given MacFarlane's background, I took it as a general commentary on religion. He's not quiet on his views on organized religion. He did have a joke in Family Guy where a timeline where Christianity didn't exist resulted in a hyper technologically advanced civilization that could cure AIDS with a single pill. It was pretty obvious. There's even a line in the show along the lines of "as a species becomes more advanced, they get rid of religion."
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People are mad the sci-fi shows aren't god fearing? Shocker.
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Rocksicles posted:People are mad the sci-fi shows aren't god fearing? This could be the most overtly pro-athiest show in the world (and that's probably what it's going for) and they'd remain happily oblivious to it if they liked what they thought it was saying.
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Zoro posted:Given MacFarlane's background, I took it as a general commentary on religion. He's not quiet on his views on organized religion. He did have a joke in Family Guy where a timeline where Christianity didn't exist resulted in a hyper technologically advanced civilization that could cure AIDS with a single pill. Not only that, but there's that episode where Peter befriends a Muslim, and Peter's family suspects that he's a terrorist. Most sitcoms would have it turn out that he isn't, and at the end they all hold hold hands, but this is Family Guy, so guess what, he IS a terrorist.
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cheetah7071 posted:Assuming the show goes long enough I'm sure we'll see Krill heretics who preach exactly that someday But will those heretics win or lose in the long run? The answer is win. Caufman fucked around with this message at 06:29 on Oct 15, 2017 |
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A couple folks posted about their worry that the show is getting poor ratings, which is hanging around an average 1.1 but seeing bigger ratings outside the typical 18-49 demographic. Although I mentioned before that Cancelbear (whoever the gently caress they are) analyzed that the show won't be canceled, take it from Seth's own mouth. http://screenrant.com/the-orville-season-2-likely-seth-macfarlane/ He really expects a renewal to happen and I'll gladly take him at his word on this one, considering he's been successfully hobnobbing the business for over a decade.
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The_Doctor posted:(Personally I always hated the ‘hail them, mr worf’ <literally one second passes> ‘no response captain’ thing. Give them time to acknowledge, guys! The comms console might be across the room, and they’ve got to get over there! God, you impatient pricks...) Headcanon time! I think that there's some automatic response protocol that acknowledges the hail even if no-ones available or wants to talk, so turning that off is a sign of hostility or distress. So when Worf says "no response", he means that that protocol isn't working for whatever reason. Porpoise With A Purpose posted:I joined a Facebook group for this show and apparently the moral of this episode was that muslims are evil and can't be reasoned with. What a surprise 
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1000 Brown M and Ms posted:Headcanon time! I think that there's some automatic response protocol that acknowledges the hail even if no-ones available or wants to talk, so turning that off is a sign of hostility or distress. So when Worf says "no response", he means that that protocol isn't working for whatever reason. Right. A "fast busy" versus "it's still ringing".
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Mooseontheloose posted:I like how Bortus comes across as super serious but is actually a fun guy who likes to dick around with the crew. He just does't emote like everyone else. I’ve found he’s very Captain Holt (Brooklyn 99) and I’m perfectly ok with that.
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Porpoise With A Purpose posted:I joined a Facebook group for this show and apparently the moral of this episode was that muslims are evil and can't be reasoned with. I am going to go out on a limb here and say it might be harder to reason with the crew of a military ship designated for testing weapons on civilians than it is , say, civilians themselves. Or in other words the kids as shown in the actual episode. To use the analogy these guys are going with it would be like trying to argue with ISIS military members while they are busy bombing population centers.
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Beachcomber posted:Another thing under the radar: they can replicate life. Is vitalism making a comeback? Why would "replicating life" be surprising?
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Shbobdb posted:Is vitalism making a comeback? Star Trek replicators can't. If you replicate a potato, you can't make it grow in a glass with some toothpicks. How many episodes until they have to face a godlike being? I'm hoping it's the flying spaghetti monster or the invisible pink unicorn.
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Shbobdb posted:Is vitalism making a comeback? It's a lot harder to build a plane midair than on the ground.
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Porpoise With A Purpose posted:I joined a Facebook group for this show and apparently the moral of this episode was that muslims are evil and can't be reasoned with. Lol, yeah, that's always funny. It's like those people that always see dicks in every Rorschach ink blot. Personally, I got the exact opposite message. If you dehumanize other people hard enough you can justify any action against them. Someone who wouldn't deny help to a drowning person has no problem with "reducing the average yearly number of refugees". You start portraying human beings as "Muslim cultural invaders" and suddenly the use of violence against a human being is no longer unthinkable. Guess I'm the guy that is always seeing asses in every ink blot.  The Krill themselves are not really a problem. They got that way through isolation and indoctrination, something you can cure with education& deprogramming. On the other hand, our lovely human nature is incurable and eternal. GABA ghoul fucked around with this message at 12:19 on Oct 15, 2017 |
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