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Roman's push has basically turned me off from WWE other than the occasional PPV. If WWE isn't going to give a gently caress about the fanbase's opinion then why should I care about their product?
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Jerusalem posted:I can't even really think who WWE's closest equivalent of Ishii would be.... Sheamus? Samoa Joe
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Ragnarok the Red posted:Also I still have no idea why they keep having Roman come out and brag about retiring Taker. It's never gotten a positive reaction and just comes off as the heelest drat thing for the top babyface/The Guy should be saying. What on earth is Vince thinking with that I'll never understand. Also all Roman did was win a match that happened to be Taker's final one. Nothing Roman did there contributed to his retirement. He didn't beat him so badly he can't continue, or he didn't squash him and make him realize he doesn't have it anymore, etc. It wasn't even a stipulation of the match.
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Oct 16, 2017 14:01
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A Yardless Undertaker is, effectively, a retired Undertaker
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It doesn't matter anyway, Paige is coming back and owning the house is more important than the yard.
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I do not like Roman but I doubt Roman would have as boring of a match against KUSHIDA as Cody did on Saturday.
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Aphrodite posted:It doesn't matter anyway, Paige is coming back and owning the house is more important than the yard. My House was the theme song of WrestleMania. I don't see any Flo Rida songs about yards, Roman! 
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Roman Reigns is what you get if early 2000's Triple H wanted to be a babyface and taken seriously, instead of relying on DX comedy.
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RealFoxy posted:Roman Reigns is what you get if early 2000's Triple H wanted to be a babyface and taken seriously, instead of relying on DX comedy. drat you're right. Roman is pretty much post-Evolution HHH's babyface run on Smackdown.
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I watched 2011 MITB this weekend and I thought Cody in his facemask thing looked cool. Also, that was a real good PPV. It was about 2-3 years before I started watching WWE so it was pretty funny seeing all the people that quit/were fired/repackaged.
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Aphrodite posted:It doesn't matter anyway, Paige is coming back and owning the house is more important than the yard. Houses depreciate in value, the yard's value only consistently goes up. Paige is only thinking short term, Reigns understands the value of land. The real question is who owns the mineral rights.
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explosivo posted:I watched 2011 MITB this weekend and I thought Cody in his facemask thing looked cool. It's one of WWE's best PPVs of all time.
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Kirios posted:Houses depreciate in value, the yard's value only consistently goes up. Paige is only thinking short term, Reigns understands the value of land. Paige is British and our house prices are only going up to unsustainable highs, much like Paige herself.
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Oct 16, 2017 15:51
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Gonzo McFee posted:Roman Reigns is very good at wrestling i am being perpetually gaslit
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Oct 16, 2017 15:56
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Aphrodite posted:Also all Roman did was win a match that happened to be Taker's final one. Nothing Roman did there contributed to his retirement. He didn't beat him so badly he can't continue, or he didn't squash him and make him realize he doesn't have it anymore, etc. It wasn't even a stipulation of the match. I disagree. The last half of that match was basically Roman Reigns beating the crap out of an old man with barely any offense coming his way. As much as I'm cold on Roman Reigns, that was clearly an attempt to show him purely dominating.
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Roman Reigns is a very ok person and a not bad wrestler. As others have said however, there are others on the roster capable of the same and maybe more. Maybe it's time to mix it up? I would also be ok with a world title tournament at Survivor Series where we think Dean is the handpicked corporate champ but then in the finals SWERVE HEEL TURN Roman wins and becomes the face of the Corporation 2k18. Somehow this Corporation will merge with the Wyatt family in a while. Thanks for listening.
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Oct 16, 2017 16:10
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But they booked it like any old face in peril situation we've seen a million times. It needed something different than the WWE style to sell it.
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They had a chance to do that in 2015 and instead Roman just squashed Dean in 8 minutes
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The Bee posted:I disagree. The last half of that match was basically Roman Reigns beating the crap out of an old man with barely any offense coming his way. As much as I'm cold on Roman Reigns, that was clearly an attempt to show him purely dominating. Yeah but anybody can pummel an old man with a chair and tackle him over and over. He didn't do anything special. He just beat up an old guy that was clearly gassed. The story of that match wasn't that Roman Reigns defeated the Undertaker, it was that time defeated the Undertaker and Roman Reigns was, at best, an envoy of the inevitable. Running the ropes three times before a Spear isn't exactly "I'm sorry, I love you." or a jumping tombstone.
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Ragnarok the Red posted:Also I still have no idea why they keep having Roman come out and brag about retiring Taker. It's never gotten a positive reaction and just comes off as the heelest drat thing for the top babyface/The Guy should be saying. What on earth is Vince thinking with that I'll never understand.
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Kirios posted:
The Rock, idiot
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VJeff posted:Yeah but anybody can pummel an old man with a chair and tackle him over and over. He didn't do anything special. He just beat up an old guy that was clearly gassed. The story of that match wasn't that Roman Reigns defeated the Undertaker, it was that time defeated the Undertaker and Roman Reigns was, at best, an envoy of the inevitable. That's a very good point, and I have to agree. My bad, I misinterpreted what you meant by that.
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The Bee posted:That's a very good point, and I have to agree. My bad, I misinterpreted what you meant by that. Yeah, the point I think Aphrodite was trying to make was, "Roman keeps bragging about retiring the Undertaker, but Roman didn't do anything, it was simply a matter of time catching up to the Undertaker and Roman being the guy to end it." If anything, the story of that post match is Undertaker realizing if he can't even beat Roman Reigns, he really is done.
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Jerusalem posted:I can't even really think who WWE's closest equivalent of Ishii would be.... Sheamus? http://lmgtfy.com/?q=WWE+wrestlers+who+look+like+a+fire+hydrant
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VJeff posted:Yeah, the point I think Aphrodite was trying to make was, "Roman keeps bragging about retiring the Undertaker, but Roman didn't do anything, it was simply a matter of time catching up to the Undertaker and Roman being the guy to end it." It's like if the 76ers took credit for retiring Michael Jordan.
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Oct 16, 2017 17:34
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Or if Enzo took credit for Neville quitting
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roman reigns is biker taker is blowing my mind over here, it's perfect.
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I popped big when Roman ran the ropes three times before the spear that killed the undertaker.
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flashy_mcflash posted:The Rock, idiot It's actually Booker T. The guy was always asking us "Can you dig it, sucka?" That was clearly Booker looking to hire miners to dig under the yard.
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Oct 16, 2017 18:05
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Suplex Liberace posted:I popped big when Roman ran the ropes three times before the spear that killed the undertaker. Can you imagine how many times he'll run the ropes before finishing off Brock?
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you guys are hosed Up. if you hated shawn michaels you would have made fun of tuning up the band like the dumbest poo poo imaginable. if Shawn was bad and boring you would hate what he did. Just because Roman is that doesn't mean everything he does is bad. Running the ropes is very, very good. Don't talk about running the ropes that way ever again in your life.
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Gonz posted:Roman Reigns has become the human manifestation of that old Sears air-conditioning commercial that everybody hated because it played 37 times per hour. In a row?!
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Gavok posted:In a row?! You know Gavok, there's a million mediocre wrestlers in the world, dude. But they don't all Superman punch you at work. Most of 'em just refuse to sell.
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Gavok posted:In a row?! well if they did it 3 more times thats as many as four tens and that's terrible
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OK, so, since we're kinda swirling around the normal Roman talk: If not Roman, then who, should be the top guy? Or are we in a phase beyond "THE" top guy? More of a late 90's-early 2000's era, with multiple top guy options? If AJ, Cena, Roman, Seth, Dean, Braun, Joe, Bray and Finn were trading the title, I think we'd be in a good spot. Maybe even add dudes like Miz and Corbin as flukey-heel champs/challengers? Is Brock as "sometimes champ" hurting the fed overall? What would work best here, if tomorrow, Vince suddenly had a moment of clarity?
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Oct 16, 2017 19:27
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The top guy should be, and is, Jinder Mahal.
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rare Magic card l00k posted:The top guy should be, and is, Jinder Mahal. 
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OGB posted:OK, so, since we're kinda swirling around the normal Roman talk: The late 90s had Steve Austin who the entire show was built around, let's not pretend here. So much so that it taught bookers some bad habits regarding overexposing their stars. After his injury it was a bit more even until his retirement but he was still the top guy. Maybe we're in a mid 90s era where the next guy didn't really pan out they just try new things every six months or so until someone catches fire.
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Gonz posted:You know Gavok, there's a million mediocre wrestlers in the world, dude. But they don't all Superman punch you at work. Most of 'em just refuse to sell. Buncha savages in this fed
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