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Carbon dioxide posted:The disease thing was first brought up in Enterprise, the 90-years-earlier than Discovery prequel. In the same set of episodes, the origin of the disease was also revealed. It is implied that somewhere between TOS and TNG they found a way to fix it and return back to their original look. Also, some Klingons were probably unaffected. It's almost as if their genetic fuckery to fix the plague accidentally turned them all into the Klingon equivalent of Homo Habilis, but I know that's putting more thought into the redesign than the production team. The real answer is that they wanted to redesign the Klingons and they did. I wish they'd just come out and say "Yeah, this is all a redesign" instead of skirting around it with the "All the design changes fit into canon and will make sense eventually!" line they've been trotting out in interviews.
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I know they've been saying Discovery fits in the 'prime timeline', but honestly, I've been thinking of it as a reboot, and unless there's some clever explanations coming down the line - which is certainly possible - I'm content to think of it in those terms.
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Oct 16, 2017 22:09
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They should have just put it in the movie timeline. It lets them do whatever they want and normies don't care about the legacy stuff.
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Oct 16, 2017 22:13
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Steve2911 posted:Michael launching the nipple bug into space reminded me of a child attaching a small animal to a helium balloon thinking it'll have adventures in the sky.  https://i.imgur.com/tUHzkJK.gifv
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Big Mean Jerk posted:
I thought these were two different ships: the D7 that captured them, and the "prison ship" that they escaped. To me, this looks like the bottom of the nose of the D7. I know I'm stretching because I want D7s in this show, but I do see it. It looks like it bulges out a bit like the front of the D7.  MichiganCubbie fucked around with this message at 22:43 on Oct 16, 2017 |
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Oct 16, 2017 22:39
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I noticed in this episode that they’ve basically got Doug Jones walking on tiptoes all the time, which is how he absolutely towers over everyone else. When he’s in the spore chamber at the end with Stamets, you can see his weird shoes. Also, I love Wilson Cruz, but he is pretty bad in this. He seems to have a lot of trouble with his more technical lines. Hopefully he gets more into the swing of it all. So, is Stamets’ bit at the end in the mirror a hint for the... upcoming Mirror? Or is he becoming unstuck in time because of his access to the spore network now? The_Doctor fucked around with this message at 23:09 on Oct 16, 2017 |
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Oct 16, 2017 22:44
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fadam posted:They should have just put it in the movie timeline. It lets them do whatever they want and normies don't care about the legacy stuff. From what I understand, they can't due to Paramount having the movie rights, and CBS the TV rights, unless something's changed since last I heard about it.
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fadam posted:normies Don't do that unless you want everyone to think of you as incel level cringeworthy.
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Oct 16, 2017 23:24
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Arglebargle III posted:Don't do that unless you want everyone to think of you as incel level cringeworthy. The correct term is "straights."
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Oct 16, 2017 23:29
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Anyone else think that this episode basically telegraphed that Saru will have to make a similar move against Lorca as Michael did in the first episode?
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Oct 16, 2017 23:41
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Remember when Klingons had personality and weren't monster mash
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Phi230 posted:Remember when Klingons had personality and weren't monster mash They were still monster mash, they just had a laugh sometimes too. I can totally see them undergoing a massive cultural and personality change after the war and after becoming more integrated in Starfleet, even over the course of a few decades. Look at the Axis powers in WW2!
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Arglebargle III posted:Don't do that unless you want everyone to think of you as incel level cringeworthy. 
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Wee Bairns posted:Gotta say, Rainn Wilson absolutely nailed it as Harry Mudd. I wasn't sure what to expect when the initial casting info was released, but I was very pleasantly surprised. He did and this really emphasized how badly this show needs some additional characters and needs some B Plots where we can see people interact and develop apart from the primary story arc.
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Phi230 posted:Remember when Klingons had personality and weren't monster mash I miss TNG/DS9 Klingons. They can write poetry, and sing, and drink, and share personal stories; but only as long as they attack someone between each of those activities. Klingons rule.
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You know who I miss? Chancellor “Glory to you...and your ho-o-o-o-o-ouse!” Gowron.
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Wasn't it proven that tardigrades don't actually have horizontal gene transfer?funkymonks posted:He did and this really emphasized how badly this show needs some additional characters and needs some B Plots where we can see people interact and develop apart from the primary story arc. This show definitely needs some normal B plots. The main arc is nice and all, but people still have lives and we should see them when they aren't in full on danger quick mode
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The more I think about it, the more it seems like Lorca is going to be the spy. We’ve seen how sensitive to light he is and after direct exposure to those four lights he comes back like nothin happened. The way the camera lingered on his eye injector in the shuttle after his abduction makes me think like it’ll be part of the reveal. Maybe one of the medical officers will comment that he hasn’t been in to refill his prescription, or they’ll give it to him and he won’t know what to do with it. The real Lorca may end up losing his eyes in the process and getting artificial ones making him hate the Klingons even more and he’ll completely abandon any sense of ethics in his quest to win the war.
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bull3964 posted:Anyone else think that this episode basically telegraphed that Saru will have to make a similar move against Lorca as Michael did in the first episode? Did anyone catch the name of the android officer in this episode? I think Saru says a name when he is talking to her. I also realized that they still haven't mentioned what the deal with the security officers with the black Starfleet deltas on their uniforms are about. Although I suppose it's probably moot since I assume they were likely guarding the spore drive.
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FlamingLiberal posted:Did anyone catch the name of the android officer in this episode? I think Saru says a name when he is talking to her. Airiam.
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Mental Hospitality posted:Also the 'most bestest starfleet captains ever' list. Jonathan loving Archer, really? Way to set the bar low. I mean, he was largely responsible for the creation of the Federation. Kind of a big deal. Mr. Apollo posted:The more I think about it, the more it seems like Lorca is going to be the spy. We’ve seen how sensitive to light he is and after direct exposure to those four lights he comes back like nothin happened. The way the camera lingered on his eye injector in the shuttle after his abduction makes me think like it’ll be part of the reveal. Maybe one of the medical officers will comment that he hasn’t been in to refill his prescription, or they’ll give it to him and he won’t know what to do with it. The real Lorca may end up losing his eyes in the process and getting artificial ones making him hate the Klingons even more and he’ll completely abandon any sense of ethics in his quest to win the war. It just seems needlessly elaborate compared with the New Guy No One Knows being a spy. They aren't Romulans, they'd go with the simpler and more effective plot.
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Grand Fromage posted:It just seems needlessly elaborate compared with the New Guy No One Knows being a spy. They aren't Romulans, they'd go with the simpler and more effective plot. Lorca’s a klingon, Tyler’s a romulan. There you go.
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Phylodox posted:Lorca’s a klingon, Tyler’s a romulan. There you go. 
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The Human Crouton posted:I miss TNG/DS9 Klingons. They can write poetry, and sing, and drink, and share personal stories; but only as long as they attack someone between each of those activities. Klingons rule.
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Cojawfee posted:Wasn't it proven that tardigrades don't actually have horizontal gene transfer? Reposting from The Orville thread: A year or two ago a scientific paper came out describing an unprecedented amount of horizontal gene transfer (genes being taken from one organism into the genome of an unrelated organism) in tardigrades, something like 50% of tardigrade genes seemed to have originated from horizontal transfer. Unfortunately another paper soon followed showing that the first paper's results were due to contaminated genome sequencing.
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Why do we think there is a spy?
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Cojawfee posted:Wasn't it proven that tardigrades don't actually have horizontal gene transfer? I'm more curious where a tardigrade in stasis would get that 99% of its body water back in the vacuum of space.
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RC Cola posted:Why do we think there is a spy? Because Voq was suspiciously absent and told last episode that he would have to sacrifice a lot. Count me in as one who thinks it's Lorca as I said a few pages ago. If it isn't Lorca, there were so many loving plot holes in this episode you couldn't navigate them without a tardigrade. bull3964 fucked around with this message at 02:48 on Oct 17, 2017 |
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McSpanky posted:I'm more curious where a tardigrade in stasis would get that 99% of its body water back in the vacuum of space. Through the mycelium conduits. Duh-doy.
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XboxPants posted:Oh that's actually pretty good. Something went right with this latest episode.
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Also, it seems like they explained that the mycelium exist in subspace. I guess the tardigrade is able to pull a small segment into real space and then ride along them.
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It would be funny if Starfleet is so inundated with spies from so many other powers that they all counteract each other and end up strengthening Starfleet with their perfect performance.
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The Human Crouton posted:It would be funny if Starfleet is so inundated with spies from so many other powers that they all counteract each other and end up strengthening Starfleet with their perfect performance. I hope Starfleet command is nothing but Klingon spies from different houses who have no idea about each other. "It is now time for me to reveal myself. I am a Klingon spy from house Kor, I am here to destroy all of you." "Whoa, wait what? I'm a Klingon spy from house Mo'Kai." "What the gently caress? *winks at camera* I'm from house Noggra. Are we all Klingons?" "Uhhhh, yeah, totally. I'm from house uh kluuk ... qlaq. We're new, definitely a Klingon."
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A thought just occurred to me... why was it necessary for Stamets to don the nipple clamps himself for that last mushroom jump? All they needed was to get the hell away from the Klingons, not necessarily to go to any particular destination, right? Well, their old pre-tardigrade setup could do that just fine. (Granted, they almost fell into a star the last time they used it, but that seems like just bad luck.) Why wouldn't they just mushroom-jump at random to escape the emergency, and then go home using their old-fashioned horse-drawn warp drive, with all the time in the world to fix the water bear along the way?
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Saru being captain was tons better than shoot-to-kill and consequences-are-for-lesser-men Lorca. Saru makes quick but insightful and logical calculations, actually feels emotions like fear and compassion but can overcome fear and put aside compassion for the good of the mission and accept the consequences later. Also I almost forgot Micheal Burnham existed after watching this episode, as she basically said, she has no role to play on the ship, atleast not until Saru takes command permanently.
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The Human Crouton posted:I miss TNG/DS9 Klingons. They can write poetry, and sing, and drink, and share personal stories; but only as long as they attack someone between each of those activities. Klingons rule. Even TOS Klingons had their moments of fun. Kor musing that war with the Federation 'would have been glorious!', Koloth's crew getting drunk and starting bar brawls... I can't imagine these Klingons ever getting moments of personality like that.
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Powered Descent posted:A thought just occurred to me... why was it necessary for Stamets to don the nipple clamps himself for that last mushroom jump? All they needed was to get the hell away from the Klingons, not necessarily to go to any particular destination, right? Well, their old pre-tardigrade setup could do that just fine. (Granted, they almost fell into a star the last time they used it, but that seems like just bad luck.) Why wouldn't they just mushroom-jump at random to escape the emergency, and then go home using their old-fashioned horse-drawn warp drive, with all the time in the world to fix the water bear along the way?
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It would be funny if the klingon lady that Clem Fandango was banging ends up chasing the discovery around bent on revenge, like Carrie Fisher in the Blues Brothers
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Another thing pointing to Lorca: in the space fighter escape sequence he tells Ash to raise shields, then says "it's that button on the right", how would Lorca know the UI of the klingon fighters? I guess they could have captured some in the last few months and given him piloting lessons... It being Lorca doesn't really seem plausible as he keeps his consistent Lorca attitude the whole time after abduction etc. It all hinges on how much credit we're giving the writers :p Vehementi fucked around with this message at 03:38 on Oct 17, 2017 |
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Powered Descent posted:A thought just occurred to me... why was it necessary for Stamets to don the nipple clamps himself for that last mushroom jump? All they needed was to get the hell away from the Klingons, not necessarily to go to any particular destination, right? Well, their old pre-tardigrade setup could do that just fine. (Granted, they almost fell into a star the last time they used it, but that seems like just bad luck.) Why wouldn't they just mushroom-jump at random to escape the emergency, and then go home using their old-fashioned horse-drawn warp drive, with all the time in the world to fix the water bear along the way? Because this tv shows like things like drama instead of beep boop logic
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