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ArfJason
Sep 5, 2011

Detective No. 27 posted:

I learned young that killing your enemies felt good. Really good. In Casino Night Zone, my friends, my family...they helped me forget the devil inside...but who am I kidding? I was born to kill! The bit about my tails, that "means of justice" stuff? I guess I just needed something to keep "the Titan" in check when I was knee-deep in badniks...But you..all this...is a wake-up call to what I really believe...what I really am. I'm saying Miles is back!

Tails: Don't be ashamed, its just nature running its course! Your memes end here.

Eggman: [static voice, whimpering] No way, I can't BE-LIEVE this!

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Shbobdb
Dec 16, 2010

by Reene

Ventana posted:

On the one hand, it's cool to see the Lightning power come back from Lost World 3DS, but on the other I'm a bit sad it gets relegated to the Light Speed Dash/Hover wisp power. It was originally one of the cool unique things that game did, even though the Avatar grappling hook replaces that function now.

That transition is over the top, but at least it communicates the changing level clearly. I just wish it were shorter. The level design seems...okay, but still not really that great or interesting.


Man, this channel is so cool. Always had the feeling that Sonic 1's soundtrack sounded pop-ish and it was explained pretty clearly. It'd be cool if he looked at S3&K as well.

How about Billboard?

Discendo Vox
Mar 21, 2013

We don't need to have that dialogue because it's obvious, trivial, and has already been had a thousand times.
The wisps stuff is a bit weird because different versions of colors have different plots that entail different things about wisps and how they work. It's a bit like unleashed in that regard, where it seems like the truth is some sort of amalgam of all of the versions.

Discendo Vox fucked around with this message at 17:48 on Oct 18, 2017

Nodosaur
Dec 23, 2014

The stuff about Wisps sticking around and being okay with lending their powers comes from Runners, not any version of Colors

Hitlersaurus Christ
Oct 14, 2005

Discendo Vox posted:

The wisps stuff is a bit weird because different versions of colors have different plots that entail different things about wisps and how they work. It's a bit like unleashed in that regard, where it seems like the truth is some sort of amalgam of all of the versions.

Didn't Unleashed have the same story in both games? It used the same cutscenes at least.
Also it's been a long time but I think the only differences in the Colors DS story were the wisps having a queen and the other characters being there. Either way according to Runners the DS version is canon, for whatever that's worth.

TFRazorsaw posted:

oh good the video equates Sega with ISIS that's freaking tasteful

wow thats SUPER hosed up if true. I thought it was just putting a ridiculously out of place organization's name in the Sega font but I guess it was comparing a game company to terrorists via font choice, somehow.

Mr Phillby
Apr 8, 2009

~TRAVIS~

Hitlersaurus Christ posted:

wow thats SUPER hosed up if true. I thought it was just putting a ridiculously out of place organization's name in the Sega font but I guess it was comparing a game company to terrorists via font choice, somehow.
Rendering one organization/company's name in another's font is a pretty standard way of implying a comparison or conection???

I'm sorry your edgy nonsequitur got mistaken for an actual joke I guess.

Hitlersaurus Christ
Oct 14, 2005

Not again!
I knew I should have went with "ANUS"

Discendo Vox
Mar 21, 2013

We don't need to have that dialogue because it's obvious, trivial, and has already been had a thousand times.
NIDS, surely.

Hitlersaurus Christ posted:

Didn't Unleashed have the same story in both games? It used the same cutscenes at least.
Also it's been a long time but I think the only differences in the Colors DS story were the wisps having a queen and the other characters being there. Either way according to Runners the DS version is canon, for whatever that's worth.

It was way less significant in unleashed. In both games, it seems they split the endboss elements between the consoles. With unleashed, there are literal gaps in terms of what happens to/with Dark Gaia in the fight because some parts (cutscenes showing phase transitions and all) were only used on one or another console. I don't remember the details as well, but iirc one did the "fuse with temple Punch-out" bit and had one set of parallel navigation fights, and the other had a super sonic fight and a differently staged parallel navigation. Something along those lines.

With colors it's the question of the corrupted wisp mother and whether she appears at all or not, or if eggman's plot has any kind of denouement.

Discendo Vox fucked around with this message at 19:37 on Oct 18, 2017

Ventana
Mar 28, 2010

*Yosh intensifies*

Discendo Vox posted:

It was way less significant in unleashed. In both games, it seems they split the endboss elements between the consoles. With unleashed, there are literal gaps in terms of what happens to/with Dark Gaia in the fight because some parts (cutscenes showing phase transitions and all) were only used on one or another console. I don't remember the details as well, but iirc one did the "fuse with temple Punch-out" bit and had one set of parallel navigation fights, and the other had a super sonic fight and a differently staged parallel navigation. Something along those lines.

The HD versions of the Dark Gaia fights were showing Sonic/Light Gaia/Super Sonic traveling up to the boss, and when they got close there'd be some sort of QTEs for some resolving action. In the SD versions, the good guys start off close up in Dark Gaia's face w/o any traveling or transition or explanation, but the QTE segments are replaced entirely with proper sequences with their own mechanics. When you pair them together, it looks like HD version shows HOW Sonic got to the boss, into the SD version which shows WHAT the fights really were when close.

Someone made an old video putting them together in one big segment so you can see how they'd fit. It has (the same) cutscenes so you'll need to skip around, but it lines up mostly well. They cut out the SD versions of the "Sonic running down Light Gaia" segments, but those are virtually identical to the HD versions actually so you don't miss anything.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FjV2KQw-jvY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=naawrFmu3F0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5-8uc02Uux8

Hitlersaurus Christ posted:

Also it's been a long time but I think the only differences in the Colors DS story were the wisps having a queen and the other characters being there. Either way according to Runners the DS version is canon, for whatever that's worth.

This is unrelated to Wisp chat, but Colors DS also had the typical cast of Sonic's friends appear individually for the missions. It's kinda funny since they (seem to?) use Blaze from the Rush games and Silver from the Rivals games and have them pal around in Sweet Mountain. While being a cute reference, it directly brings to mind the Eggman Nega fuckery that Sonic Team can't seem to settle on.

Ventana fucked around with this message at 23:07 on Oct 18, 2017

Schwarzwald
Jul 27, 2004

Don't Blink
I understand that I'm a little behind everyone else, probably, but I just finished Sonic Mania with all seven chaos emeralds and did Sonic just loving blow up Little Planet?

ArfJason
Sep 5, 2011
i think it just got sent back to its proper time like in cd

nerdbot
Mar 16, 2012

Schwarzwald posted:

I understand that I'm a little behind everyone else, probably, but I just finished Sonic Mania with all seven chaos emeralds and did Sonic just loving blow up Little Planet?

According to the manual in CD, the Little Planet appears 1 month out of every year and then just goes back to where it came from afterwards, which is why Eggman anchored it down in that game. The planet lives in some sort of pocket dimension. I think in Mania, Eggman was using the ruby's power to pull it out of wherever it goes 11 out of 12 months and started flying the thing around like he would have done with any of his other countless space stations, that's why it's on Angel Island at the end. When Sonic wins it just goes back into wherever it comes from. That's a lot of bullshit conjecture and me filling in blanks but that's my best guess as to the story

Schwarzwald
Jul 27, 2004

Don't Blink
I can't believe Little Planet is just loving gone, now.

Sonic straight murked a planet.

Pomplamoose
Jun 28, 2008

Keiya posted:

I'm kinda sad there don't seem to be hair options, how are we supposed to create OCs without terrible clashing hair colors?

I'm kinda glad. As repetitive as the official sonic character designs* are, they're pretty good about certain things, like not separating the hair on the head by making it a different color or drawing it separate from the head like a wig. Archie did that and it made a lot of their characters more "furry" than "funny animal".

*Honey the Cat is NOT canon, my uncle works for SEGA and can confirm this.


Discendo Vox posted:

The wisps stuff is a bit weird because different versions of colors have different plots that entail different things about wisps and how they work. It's a bit like unleashed in that regard, where it seems like the truth is some sort of amalgam of all of the versions.

Perhaps the same could be said of all religions.

nerdbot
Mar 16, 2012

I kinda love how Blaze, Big and Honey are all in-house Sega designs for cats and none of them look anything like each other

ArfJason
Sep 5, 2011
havent gamed in so long decided to play some sonic mania to tide me over.
My deathless knux playthrough is ruined because of the bullshit blocks that move in LRZ causing me to get pixel crushed.

and another thing i confirmed whether you have to keep holding a direction when running on a roof and i was right, you just keep holding whatever direction you were holding.

Keiya
Aug 22, 2009

Come with me if you want to not die.

Schwarzwald posted:

I understand that I'm a little behind everyone else, probably, but I just finished Sonic Mania with all seven chaos emeralds and did Sonic just loving blow up Little Planet?

I actually haven't done that yet... I got distracted finally getting around to 100%ing Sonic Adventure DX.

Stocked up a bunch of lives while farming chao animals 'cause I knew I'd need them for mission 53, since I tried it probably a hundred times before giving up last time... then I nailed it first try.

corn in the bible
Jun 5, 2004

Oh no oh god it's all true!

Dabir posted:

It looks like the resistance have been stuffing Wisps in guns so anyone can use them, that explains that.

wisps! you don't have to be a gun! you are what you choose to be!

Pants Donkey
Nov 13, 2011

From last page, I do remember an episode of the cartoon revolving around Robotnik stealing Sonic's shoes so he couldn't run without getting friction burns.

Unrelated, but does anyone know what inspired monitors as item boxes?

Dabir
Nov 10, 2012

Aren't they based on Macintoshes of the time? So I guess someone just loved Apple.

MikeJF
Dec 20, 2003




Just the Sonic 3 ones, they're Mac Color Classics.

Mikedawson
Jun 21, 2013

Hitlersaurus Christ posted:

wow thats SUPER hosed up if true. I thought it was just putting a ridiculously out of place organization's name in the Sega font but I guess it was comparing a game company to terrorists via font choice, somehow.

He could have worded it better, but ISIS jokes are in fact kind of lame and edgy.

Hitlersaurus Christ
Oct 14, 2005

Mikedawson posted:

He could have worded it better, but ISIS jokes are in fact kind of lame and edgy.

Fair enough. It was supposed to be a brief non-sequitor before the dumb gameplay mode I was trying to show, but it clearly came off more edgy and mean spirited than I had intended. I've changed it back to the original original "MONSANTO" text I had before in the game.

Keiya
Aug 22, 2009

Come with me if you want to not die.

Sebadoh Gigante posted:

I'm kinda glad. As repetitive as the official sonic character designs* are, they're pretty good about certain things, like not separating the hair on the head by making it a different color or drawing it separate from the head like a wig. Archie did that and it made a lot of their characters more "furry" than "funny animal".

*Honey the Cat is NOT canon, my uncle works for SEGA and can confirm this.

Counterpoint: Tiara Boobowski.



Though, she was from Sonic X-Treme and we all know how that game took the world by storm when it came out. I mostly just mention her as an excuse to laugh about her name. Seriously, who thought naming a love interest character Boobowski was a good idea!?

Edit: Vanilla also has a tuft of hair, but it's one of her body colors. Chip has one too, but gently caress Chip.

Keiya fucked around with this message at 15:34 on Oct 19, 2017

Hitlersaurus Christ
Oct 14, 2005

Keiya posted:

Counterpoint: Tiara Boobowski.



Though, she was from Sonic X-Treme and we all know how that game took the world by storm when it came out. I mostly just mention her as an excuse to laugh about her name. Seriously, who thought naming a love interest character Boobowski was a good idea!?

To be fair, "Who thought ___ was a good idea?" is practically the core theme of the Sonic series at this point. Also the title of my memoir.

Doctor_Fruitbat
Jun 2, 2013


I wish the babylon rogues would appear more. They don't even need a story role, just have them on TV in the background of a city level doing some racing or advertising chao cola or whatever.

Zelder
Jan 4, 2012

Doctor_Fruitbat posted:

I wish the babylon rogues would appear more. They don't even need a story role, just have them on TV in the background of a city level doing some racing or advertising chao cola or whatever.

I've always hated their designs, though they're not any more odious than most of the c list sonic friends. I think it might be the color scheme and the general shape of the big silver one that gets under my skin

Discendo Vox
Mar 21, 2013

We don't need to have that dialogue because it's obvious, trivial, and has already been had a thousand times.
The character design tendency is gendered; female characters were and are male characters with hair, a bow, a dress...

ThisIsACoolGuy
Nov 2, 2010

Shaped like a friend

Issue 2 of the Sonic Forces comic is up on twitter for whatever reason. Features some good Knuckles, a bunch of Echidna's and mysterious future boy

Part 1
Part 2

Hitlersaurus Christ
Oct 14, 2005

Well, that explains a surprising amount ofthe plot.

Discendo Vox
Mar 21, 2013

We don't need to have that dialogue because it's obvious, trivial, and has already been had a thousand times.
I'd really like Silver and Blaze to just move to the main universe or time or what have you and stay there, solidify the dumb time travel/parallel universes thing a bit.

Dark_Tzitzimine
Oct 9, 2012

by R. Guyovich
https://twitter.com/OriginalFunko/status/921043351742439424

Kurieg
Jul 19, 2012

RIP Lutri: 5/19/20-4/2/20
:blizz::gamefreak:
Every one of those except for eggman is terrifying.

Keiya
Aug 22, 2009

Come with me if you want to not die.
funko was never good.

SeANMcBAY
Jun 28, 2006

Look on the bright side.




Worse than Sonic 06.

Schwarzwald
Jul 27, 2004

Don't Blink

SeANMcBAY posted:

Worse than Sonic 06.

https://twitter.com/JetpackBraggin/status/876863762824912896

Chibs
Jun 28, 2004

bring it back :guillotine:

The Pops are bad per usual, but I do like that Hot Topic exclusive has Shadow is holding his precious Chao son

nerdbot
Mar 16, 2012

ThisIsACoolGuy posted:

Issue 2 of the Sonic Forces comic is up on twitter for whatever reason. Features some good Knuckles, a bunch of Echidna's and mysterious future boy

Part 1
Part 2

This is all really good and I guarantee none of the plot info here will be explained in the actual game. I didn't know how much I wanted Silver and Knuckles to interact until now

Zelder
Jan 4, 2012

what is silver's personality? All the comics kinda place him as "panicky nerd", but I've never actually played 06 and I never will

Edit: though I do indeed own it for some reason

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Viewtiful Jew
Apr 21, 2007
Mench'n-a-go-go-baby!

Kurieg posted:

Every one of those except for eggman is terrifying.

Eggman looks fukkin' pissed that he's a Funko Pop.

At least these look better than the Sonic ones that came out like half a decade ago or so I think.

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