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DaveKap
Feb 5, 2006

Pickle: Inspected.



GobiasIndustries posted:

God drat, that Joanna scene :stare: They said the driver was probably going to live, I wonder if he's gone as well or if he'll link up with Tyrell somehow. The way everything was put together was great too, from the song choice to the lighting & camera movement to the murder/suicide fakeout. Holy crap.
When he got shot the first thing out of my mouth was "awww gently caress come on, I love that actor, don't kill him!" and then Joanna got shot and I was like "ugh it probably just grazed her head." and then the driver shot back and I was all "yaaaay he's gonna live!" and then it cuts to Joanna's skull and I'm like "hahaha gently caress her I'm so glad the driver's gonna survive and chill with Mr. Robot and Tyrell again."

Yeah the music of this episode and the way it builds up and cuts out is so loving good.

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Gonz
Dec 22, 2009

"Jesus, did I say that? Or just think it? Was I talking? Did they hear me?"
Stephanie Corneliussen nooooooooooooooooooo!

Escobarbarian
Jun 18, 2004


Grimey Drawer
Joanna's death was a good scene but obviously done because her character has outlived her usefulness rather than for any plot reason lol

otherwise, an awesome episode! IT'S BEEN

precision
May 7, 2006

by VideoGames
I actually thought Joanna was going to be around a while because of the implications of her being from super rich Swiss Illuminati and possibly trying to breed the Antichrist/Jesus but I guess Esmail dropped that a long time ago

DaveKap
Feb 5, 2006

Pickle: Inspected.



Escobarbarian posted:

Joanna's death was a good scene but obviously done because her character has outlived her usefulness rather than for any plot reason lol

precision posted:

I actually thought Joanna was going to be around a while because of the implications of her being from super rich Swiss Illuminati and possibly trying to breed the Antichrist/Jesus but I guess Esmail dropped that a long time ago
As soon as Tyrell said he loved Elliot at the end of Season 2 I wondered if they would take an interesting route with how he would deal with his wife and child.
Turns out they're taking no route at all!

Metis of the Chat Thread
Aug 1, 2014


Yeah it's a shame, I thought she was an interesting character. I guess we'll have to see if her death is in anyway meaningful for the show or if it was just to get rid of her.

Samizdata
May 14, 2007
Thank you, Sam, for pulling it back together and giving us the craftsmanship we came to love.

Harminoff
Oct 24, 2005

👽
I'm just waiting for when Elliot finds out that Joanna's kid is Mr. Robot's his and he and his sister have to take care of it.

Harminoff
Oct 24, 2005

👽
Dang ecorp just gave out Amazon echo dots. I put in my info and was sold out by the time I hit confirm. (2 min after it went up)

No captcha so those went fast.

Harminoff fucked around with this message at 20:10 on Oct 19, 2017

Boris Galerkin
Dec 17, 2011

I don't understand why I can't harass people online. Seriously, somebody please explain why I shouldn't be allowed to stalk others on social media!

Harminoff posted:

Dang ecorp just gave out Amazon echo dots. I put in my info and was sold out by the time I hit confirm. (2 min after it went up)

No captcha so those went fast.

How do I get in on this free stuff?

Also did Angela ever meet maleWong or only femaleWong? Because I only remember her meeting femaleWong and if that’s the case then I think maleWong just confirmed that your stupid theories about them being two people are stupid since he said he met her and stared into her big beautiful eyes.

Harminoff
Oct 24, 2005

👽
https://e-coin.com

Samizdata
May 14, 2007

Harminoff posted:

Dang ecorp just gave out Amazon echo dots. I put in my info and was sold out by the time I hit confirm. (2 min after it went up)

No captcha so those went fast.

Same here too. I could have missed out on the Dots, but I always can use a battery bank...

Josh Lyman
May 24, 2009


I went through their stupid email this morning and didn't get a Dot this afternoon.

This is sacrilege.

AwkwardKnob
Dec 29, 2004

A good pun is like a good steak: A rare medium well done
Now THAT was an episode of Mr Robot - holy poo poo! Welcome back to the AAA status, show.

precision
May 7, 2006

by VideoGames
The thread title really needs to be "...BITCOIN!!" now

AwkwardKnob
Dec 29, 2004

A good pun is like a good steak: A rare medium well done
This show is equal parts ahead of the times and behind the times and it's really great. Curse you bitcoin!! (As large banks begin exploring use of blockchain technology in real life)

DaveKap
Feb 5, 2006

Pickle: Inspected.



Boris Galerkin posted:

Also did Angela ever meet maleWong or only femaleWong? Because I only remember her meeting femaleWong and if that’s the case then I think maleWong just confirmed that your stupid theories about them being two people are stupid since he said he met her and stared into her big beautiful eyes.
She only met WhiteRose, once. That being said, Wong could easily be lying about meeting Angela... but that doesn't matter because yes, the theory about them being two people is real dumb.

Because obviously they are the same person except the female counterpart is first in the timeline and the male counterpart is from the future. ;)

Doctor Butts
May 21, 2002

Le Saboteur posted:

There was some really lame stuff in this premiere. That narrated walk along the sidewalk felt just so clumsy, it definitely feels like the writing is going downhill.

God drat, Eliot is a crazy person and a lot of poo poo is happening in his head. How is it clumsier than any one of the dozens of monologues he's shared with the viewer (as his invisible friend) already?

SulphagneSocialist posted:

Seriously Esmail needs to do his legwork on it if this is really going to be a story where the solution is hitting a big science fictiony reset button and, I don't know, the big twist is that they create our timeline instead, because that's seriously trite. I keep thinking back to how this started as a movie script and I could imagine that being the end of the movie.

Or maybe a good way to deal with people like Angela is to plant a seed in their mind that for some reason or another, they find believable, in order to get them to go along with your plans.

I mean, Angela was pretty hosed up from what happened when she was a kid, and she bonded with Eliot over it. It's shaped a lot of who she is and if you give someone like her the thought that all the evil could just be undone like it never happened- that's really enticing.

Skizzzer
Sep 27, 2011
Part of the reason I enjoy this show is that I have no idea where it's going. Still, I doubt the conclusion is going to be a "big sci-fi reset button."

Maelstache
Feb 25, 2013

gOTTA gO fAST
Another big hint dropped about shifting realities during the first therapy scene. Krysta had no idea about Elliot getting pushed out of the window as a kid, even though he was convinced he had already told her. So are they now in a timeline where that initial conversation never took place?

It's gonna be so disappointing when it turns out Esmail's been playing us with this alternate reality crap the whole time. I can just hear Elliot in voiceover saying: "Wait, is that what you thought was going on? Really?"

Skizzzer
Sep 27, 2011

Maelstache posted:

Another big hint dropped about shifting realities during the first therapy scene. Krysta had no idea about Elliot getting pushed out of the window as a kid, even though he was convinced he had already told her. So are they now in a timeline where that initial conversation never took place?

It's gonna be so disappointing when it turns out Esmail's been playing us with this alternate reality crap the whole time. I can just hear Elliot in voiceover saying: "Wait, is that what you thought was going on? Really?"

i just want to make sure, we all know Elliot is like, severely mentally ill right?

siggy2021
Mar 8, 2010
Not to mention forgetting whether or not you told someone something that you've talked to a lot wouldn't be out of place for someone that isn't mentally ill.

Maelstache
Feb 25, 2013

gOTTA gO fAST

Skizzzer posted:

i just want to make sure, we all know Elliot is like, severely mentally ill right?

Yes, but not everything that happens can necessarily be put down to Elliot being crazy. There's enough peculiarity happening when he isn't around to lend credence to elaborate More Going On theories.

But at this point it's ambiguous enough that it could still just be a total mislead, that's what makes it fun.

Mameluke
Aug 2, 2013

by Fluffdaddy

Boris Galerkin posted:

Also did Angela ever meet maleWong or only femaleWong? Because I only remember her meeting femaleWong and if that’s the case then I think maleWong just confirmed that your stupid theories about them being two people are stupid since he said he met her and stared into her big beautiful eyes.

Of all the horrible theories put forward by the Mr. Robot reddit, this one always struck me as the stupidest. Yes, Whiterose and Zhang being split into two people by timelines or whatever is so much more believable than her being a trans woman. Especially by a show as tightly-buttoned and heteronormative as this. :rolleyes:

Skizzzer
Sep 27, 2011

Maelstache posted:

Yes, but not everything that happens can necessarily be put down to Elliot being crazy. There's enough peculiarity happening when he isn't around to lend credence to elaborate More Going On theories.

But at this point it's ambiguous enough that it could still just be a total mislead, that's what makes it fun.

True, and sorry for my tone. I think this points more to Elliot working through his issues with his dad. Mr. Robot taking the shape of his dad, Elliot re-enacting his dad pushing him through a window - eg. the pier scene in s1 - Elliot seeking revenge on behalf of his dad, all of this points to an abusive relationship between Elliot and his father. The signifying incident being the day Elliot's dad pushed him through the window. To me, what was notable about that scene was how Elliot viewed that day as a normal (even happy) day. That doesn't indicate alternate realities to me, it indicates severe childhood trauma.

empty baggie
Oct 22, 2003

Josh Lyman posted:

I went through their stupid email this morning and didn't get a Dot this afternoon.

This is sacrilege.

I immediately went to the page when I got the email and they were already gone. Oh well, at least I got a power bank last week.

PunkBoy
Aug 22, 2008

You wanna get through this?

precision posted:

The thread title really needs to be "...BITCOIN!!" now

Alternatively, "Scan my QR code and I'll suck your dick."

precision
May 7, 2006

by VideoGames
actually I think Krysta is the one who's had her memories wiped or messed with

why would she treat him again knowing he hacked her ex?

empty baggie
Oct 22, 2003

I kinda took that scene as he was confusing her with the audience. He doesn’t talk to many people in his life, let alone discuss his childhood. He’s using his imaginary friend (the viewer) as his therapist, so when he’s confused because he thinks he’s told her the story before, it’s because he’s already been through it with his “friend”. I’m probably way off but I didn’t think into it that much because I’m not sure I want to see time travel and alternate dimensions in a fairly realistic show like this one. Elliot’s mind games are plenty. No need to go completely off the rails.

T-man
Aug 22, 2010


Talk shit, get bzzzt.

precision posted:

actually I think Krysta is the one who's had her memories wiped or messed with

why would she treat him again knowing he hacked her ex?

She says at some point that she was only willing if Elliot talked to her more and stopped lying. That sounds like something a mental health professional with a fair amount of dedication and care for her patients might do. Sets boundaries, opens Elliot up out of guilt, and keeps him from going untreated.

Rarity
Oct 21, 2010

~*4 LIFE*~

Maelstache posted:

Another big hint dropped about shifting realities during the first therapy scene. Krysta had no idea about Elliot getting pushed out of the window as a kid, even though he was convinced he had already told her. So are they now in a timeline where that initial conversation never took place?

It's gonna be so disappointing when it turns out Esmail's been playing us with this alternate reality crap the whole time. I can just hear Elliot in voiceover saying: "Wait, is that what you thought was going on? Really?"

I've had literally the exact same thing happened with my counsellor and I'm pretty sure I've not switched to an alternative reality. Some things are just such integral parts of your past that you assume you've brought it up at some point.

Rageaholic
May 31, 2005

Old Town Road to EGOT

Rarity posted:

I've had literally the exact same thing happened with my counsellor and I'm pretty sure I've not switched to an alternative reality. Some things are just such integral parts of your past that you assume you've brought it up at some point.
Same. You go to enough sessions and you begin to lose track of what you have and haven't brought up.

d0grent
Dec 5, 2004

Your life is not a TV show

The Sean
Apr 17, 2005

Am I handsome now?


Great season so far. I'm loving the quick pacing.

Irving was amazing. The opening scene was hilarious wrt to the "free thing on your next visit" Seinfeld-/Larry David-esque protest. It's interesting that he insists on so much on analog records, from writing on his hand to giving Elliot the cypher last season on the restaurant menu.

Joanna's death took me a bit by surprise but I'm interested to see how that will have a ripple effect. I'm glad that bodyguard is still (apparently) alive but it's weird that Tyrell and Joanna's baby will be given to social services. I'm seeing the baby be used as some type of hostage against Tyrell down the line if Elliot or someone can track it down. Detective Lollipop maybe?

White Rose threatening Price over Angela was interesting, as well. White Rose using her as leverage seems odd, though; I don't know why Price wouldn't just say, "gently caress it, what do I care?" if he wasn't actually Angela's real father. It would explain a bit of why he hand-picked her to rise up the ranks of E-Corp.

Speaking of unpopular opinions, I still have Elliot = Darlene in the back of my mind. I can't really rationalize the Wellick audio scene, honestly, other than making a distant grab at "Elliot isn't telling the truth again." However, Darlene being his trigger to summoning Mr. Robot could work into this theory. Krista would probably be open enough to treat Darlene as a real person when Elliot talks about her (or the other way around?) in the same way that she takes Mr. Robot as a serious personality--both when speaking with Elliot, and now, with Mr. Robot directly.

The Sean fucked around with this message at 07:04 on Oct 20, 2017

counterfeitsaint
Feb 26, 2010

I'm a girl, and you're
gnomes, and it's like
what? Yikes.

The Sean posted:

Speaking of unpopular opinions, I still have Elliot = Darlene in the back of my mind. I can't really rationalize the Wellick audio scene, honestly, other than making a distant grab at "Elliot isn't telling the truth again." However, Darlene being his trigger to summoning Mr. Robot could work into this theory. Krista would probably be open enough to treat Darlene as a real person when Elliot talks about her (or the other way around?) in the same way that she takes Mr. Robot as a serious personality--both when speaking with Elliot, and now, with Mr. Robot directly.

Is this a real theory? How does that work at all? None of the FBI thinks it's weird that [actually Elliot] got immunity in exchange for spying on her brother Elliot? To say nothing about all the things Darlene was doing while Elliot was physically imprisoned during season 2. Why does such a large portion of the internet have the pasttime of coming up with the absolute dumbest show theories possible. I wish it was possible to talk about shows without having this inane poo poo come up all the time.

Boris Galerkin
Dec 17, 2011

I don't understand why I can't harass people online. Seriously, somebody please explain why I shouldn't be allowed to stalk others on social media!
I mean it’s kinda obvious isn’t it? The way Elliot says “him” is a dead giveaway that Elliot and Darlene were identical twins. Darlene is just Elliot’s hosed up projection of a perfect girlfriend, but like beneath it all Darlene is obviously Elliott’s twin brother.

Rageaholic
May 31, 2005

Old Town Road to EGOT

d0grent posted:

Your life is not a TV show
Of course not, but it'd be extremely shortsighted to think that things that happen in real life don't influence TV shows.

Orange Devil
Oct 1, 2010

Wullie's reign cannae smother the flames o' equality!

Skizzzer posted:

True, and sorry for my tone. I think this points more to Elliot working through his issues with his dad. Mr. Robot taking the shape of his dad, Elliot re-enacting his dad pushing him through a window - eg. the pier scene in s1 - Elliot seeking revenge on behalf of his dad, all of this points to an abusive relationship between Elliot and his father. The signifying incident being the day Elliot's dad pushed him through the window. To me, what was notable about that scene was how Elliot viewed that day as a normal (even happy) day. That doesn't indicate alternate realities to me, it indicates severe childhood trauma.

I'm not even convinced that what actually happened was his dad pushing him through a window, rather than that being a cover story his brain made up to protect him from a more horrible truth.

I was really hoping when he brought up the snowman to Darlene that she would say something like "that was the day of <some traumatic incident>" which would either confirm or deny whether Elliot's perception of the events of that day is accurate. But unfortunately she didn't get into it.

Milo and POTUS
Sep 3, 2017

I will not shut up about the Mighty Morphin Power Rangers. I talk about them all the time and work them into every conversation I have. I built a shrine in my room for the yellow one who died because sadly no one noticed because she died around 9/11. Wanna see it?
I havent even seen all of this show but I'm getting the distinct impression from other shows that considering how frequently people are predicting the end games of other shows storylines that they might just be going for something so utterly convoluted and messy that as long as there is some serious catharsis and far out poo poo that most viewers will be satisfied.

mostly because of this, none of which i disagree with:
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counterfeitsaint posted:

Why does such a large portion of the internet have the pasttime of coming up with the absolute dumbest show theories possible. I wish it was possible to talk about shows without having this inane poo poo come up all the time.

Milo and POTUS fucked around with this message at 12:21 on Oct 20, 2017

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Elias_Maluco
Aug 23, 2007
I need to sleep

The Sean posted:

Speaking of unpopular opinions, I still have Elliot = Darlene in the back of my mind. I can't really rationalize the Wellick audio scene, honestly, other than making a distant grab at "Elliot isn't telling the truth again." However, Darlene being his trigger to summoning Mr. Robot could work into this theory. Krista would probably be open enough to treat Darlene as a real person when Elliot talks about her (or the other way around?) in the same way that she takes Mr. Robot as a serious personality--both when speaking with Elliot, and now, with Mr. Robot directly.

Unless you stopped watching at half S1, I really cant believe you think this is possible

edit: at this point, the only way this could be true is if the entire show is just Elliot's imagination. So yeah, then everyone is Elliot

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