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Votecount for Day 2  b-minus1 (3): flerp, STONE COLD 64, Grandicap Grandicap (1): NevergirlsOFFICIAL Infinitum (1): flerp, Thranguy (1): Infinitum STONE COLD 64 (1): Thranguy Not Voting (6): apostateCourier, Asiina, b-minus1, Bifauxnen, TMMadman, Tobbs GnawedWith 13 alive, it's 7 votes to execute. The current deadline is October 25th, 2017 at 10 p.m. EDT -- that's in about 1 day, 12 hours. http://www.vavatch.co.uk/books/banks/cultnote.htm
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Read infinitum and believe we have a townfinitum. Continuing...
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Oct 24, 2017 14:26
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Stone cold mostly shitposting. Can't easily make a case with all the crap but would comfortably vote.
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Oct 24, 2017 14:30
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Grandicap posted:Essentially saying you'll be sorry if you vote me or even voice suspicion of me... that is not town play. It's not good town play for sure. As for my read, you've got some consistent snark to add levity, but your posting is careful. I'm neutral on you, and that can go either direction after we get more flips and I can see if you've been pushing to lynch anyone who's scum or not.
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Oct 24, 2017 14:35
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flerp is probably town but if I'm wrong they'll probably shoot me at night like that one time
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Oct 24, 2017 14:39
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Nevergirls reads town.
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Oct 24, 2017 14:41
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So did Stone Cold every come back and tell us anything?
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Oct 24, 2017 14:44
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Thranguy puts a lot of emphasis on what looks like a good case or not. Yeah it's mafia and casing is important, but there needs to also be some exercise of intuition. It doesn't seem to me that thranguy has any feelings one way or another about who is scum or who is town, and in my experience that lack of feeling/conviction arises when someone rolls scum. It's hard to fake. ##vote thranguy
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Oct 24, 2017 14:47
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TMMadman posted:So did Stone Cold every come back and tell us anything? I think it's been a day. Would definitely vote.
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Oct 24, 2017 14:48
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I'm having a real hard time pinning my thoughts down this game day. Everyone is just kinda vaguely there. I still feel like Thran is just vaguely new rather than scum. Mags has barely posted anything since replacing in from a completely absent player. I kinda have weird feelings about Tobbs and Grandi but I don't think they're scum together. Bif I had a big argument with but I don't necessarily think she's scum for it? I have no idea what Bif's scum game looks like though. I'm sure I've experienced it but terrible memory and all that. Like we have short days and we have someone who is holding onto results which may shape the lynch and another person who has threatened to vig and it feels like we are just at a standstill until one of those things happens and are running out of time. It's a lovely thing to do and it makes me wonder if it's a scum way to prevent momentum.
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Oct 24, 2017 15:06
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looking back at d1, lol hal was forced to claim because he threw out an early vote for bif. here are the people who voted for Hal as a result: asiina grandicap rf bif apostate inf later, Hal explained the reason for his Bif vote: Hal Incandenza posted:Well apostateCourier, let me start by first saying I would only make a case like this early into D1, as it's weak at best. I have played a few games with Jam, and he has been town/3p every time. so I agree with Hal, that jam may have felt overwhelmed as scum this game. This could be completely wrong, maybe irl happened for jam and he had to drop out. But at the very least, we know that Hal was sincere in the above post. Just something to consider. right now, my strongest scum reads are grandicap and bif.
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Oct 24, 2017 15:27
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b-minus1 posted:im actually more suspicious of the people who seem to be attempting to start a wagon on me (asiina, grandicap) than the people who actually voted for me (stone cold and flerp). as far as I am concerned, there should only be one, at most two people with legitimate (though misguided) reasons to be suspicious of me. if said poster(s?) are town, then imo it is in your best interest to keep your suspicions to yourself for the time being. that is all i am going to say right now. I took a look at b--1's game history and this is game 12 for b+1, so the dumb town excuse falls flat for me. Is there a single towny word or phrase here? I'd gladly vote b+1 closer to end-of-day. Mr. F! posted:In 24 hours I will vig apostatecourier. You have until then to convince me I should target someone else What, no reasoning at all? Tell me why you want to shoot me. Tobbs Gnawed posted:Thranguy puts a lot of emphasis on what looks like a good case or not. Yeah it's mafia and casing is important, but there needs to also be some exercise of intuition. It doesn't seem to me that thranguy has any feelings one way or another about who is scum or who is town, and in my experience that lack of feeling/conviction arises when someone rolls scum. It's hard to fake. If Thran had more games under their belt, I'd be agreeing with you. Two games in, though, and I can understand a lack of confidence in their reads, out of fear of getting knocked out of the game for making a bad case. On the other hand, Tobbs, you've been dropping a ton of no-content town reads lately. Explain your thoughts, please.
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Oct 24, 2017 15:27
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Phoneposting but I’m comfortable with my vote on grandi, had my vote on thran d1 and my feelings haven’t changed so will vote on thran d2 as well.
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Oct 24, 2017 15:32
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AC: How are town reads no content? I think thran is scum, I still think you're scum, and I'm neutral on Bif and grandi. If there are zero scum between the four of you I'll eat my left foot. I'm not scum, I don't know anyone else's alignment. I make calls as I see them. Do I have to make a stupid lumpen list for it to count as content?
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Oct 24, 2017 15:50
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Tobbs Gnawed posted:AC: How are town reads no content? "X is towny" is not content-sufficient. Quote some posts, make some arguments.
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Oct 24, 2017 15:57
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apostateCourier posted:"X is towny" is not content-sufficient. Quote some posts, make some arguments. "X player is town if they seem to be engaging with the game in a genuine and meaningful way." You and thran don't seem to be engaging in a meaningful and genuine way. Bif posts 1000x times a day as town and scum and tunnels like crazy so it's a null read. Grandi seems to be posting carefully and thoughtfully, but not in any overtly scummy way, so it's a null read.
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Oct 24, 2017 16:02
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Also if TMM doesn't come in and call you out for mafia-dading then he's probably scum.
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Oct 24, 2017 16:03
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Tobbs Gnawed posted:AC: How are town reads no content? This post really bothers me. First, I completely disagree about the four players he named. Second, it seems a bit too confident in his belief that there must be scum in those four players. It feels like one of those scum posts where a scum gets hidden among a bunch of town names. Not to mention that the way it's phrased gives Tobbs the option to say 'Well it must be one of bif/grandi!' if neither of thrang or aC flip scum. And finally the whole last part is almost entirely gratuitous. Plus it includes an 'I'm town' delaraction which feels out of place here. Actually after writing it all out, I'm going to go ahead and ##vote Tobbs for it. It's that bad.
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Oct 24, 2017 16:05
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Lol yup, calling me out for mafia-dading and letting A.C. slide for the same thing confirms scum TMM.
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Oct 24, 2017 16:08
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Yeah saying "one of out these four people is probably scum" is not at all a scummy thing to do. Trying to paint it as such is. ##vote Madman
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Oct 24, 2017 16:08
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Actually yeah, okay. Madman and I and two other people (who are free to out themselves if they want) are in an unconfirmed masonry and we've been saying since the beginning that there's almost definitely scum in our masonry. Even if you don't adhere to standard game practices of unconfirmed masonries, 1 in 4 there's statistically one scum. This is something we have unanimously agreed on since the beginning of the game and even earlier this game day Madman hesitated to say something because there's probably scum in the masonry!! So being like "lol saying 1 person in 4 is scum is a scummy thing to do" is not only wrong, it's super hypocritical coming from someone who has been making the same argument all game.
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Oct 24, 2017 16:16
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Hi, I am also a masonry person.
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Oct 24, 2017 16:20
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So I'm supposed to call out aC for mafia dadding in posts I hadn't seen because I was writing my post on Tobbs?
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Oct 24, 2017 16:21
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Asiina posted:Actually yeah, okay. It's not just him saying '1 of these 4 are scum'. It's the way Tobbs leaves himself open to going back to Bif/grandi.
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Oct 24, 2017 16:23
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TMMadman posted:So I'm supposed to call out aC for mafia dadding in posts I hadn't seen because I was writing my post on Tobbs? It was supposed to be chiding, as opposed to dad-like, for the record.
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Oct 24, 2017 16:23
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TMMadman posted:So I'm supposed to call out aC for mafia dadding in posts I hadn't seen because I was writing my post on Tobbs? Fair enough.
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Oct 24, 2017 16:24
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TMMadman posted:It's not just him saying '1 of these 4 are scum'. It's the way Tobbs leaves himself open to going back to Bif/grandi. I mean how is that scummy? How is saying "I think some of these people are scum but I don't know which" scummy? It's not saying "if X is town then Y must be scum."
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Oct 24, 2017 16:25
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TMMadman posted:It's not just him saying '1 of these 4 are scum'. It's the way Tobbs leaves himself open to going back to Bif/grandi. It's not like anything is set in stone. We're going to have more flips (hopefully scum) that would help clarify a lot. Maybe we'll get lucky and get a result from a power role. Besides, I'm in the minority with regard to who I think is scum, there's no guarantee and only a small likelihood that we'll lynch anyone I think is scum.
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Oct 24, 2017 16:27
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Asiina posted:I mean how is that scummy? Because that isn't what he said. He said he thinks Thran and aC are scum and he's neutral about bif/grandi. That is leaving the door open to move towards them if neither Thran/aC flip as scum.
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Oct 24, 2017 16:29
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TMMadman posted:Because that isn't what he said. He said he thinks Thran and aC are scum and he's neutral about bif/grandi. That is leaving the door open to move towards them if neither Thran/aC flip as scum. That doesn't even make sense. With 15 to start there are probably at least 3-4 scum. I'm by no means psychic and don't believe for a second that I've got the whole scum team. Besides, in FF6 I had similar neutral feelings towards KB, but I never pushed him. We got his SK flip only after the scum killed him.
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Oct 24, 2017 16:38
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Oh and since Asiina outed the masonry, I will just go ahead and say that my original intention was to not vote anyone in the masonry until D3. In fact, I was trying to avoid making any hard calls about the people in it at all until D3. I also told the masonry that if anyone in it died that I would immediately out the masonry and cast suspicion on the other two members. However, I'm going to go ahead and ditch those intentions. The fourth member of the masonry is Inf and I believe he is the scum in it. It would have been my first vote on D3. Something about him just isn't sitting right with me.
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Oct 24, 2017 16:38
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TMMadman posted:I also told the masonry that if anyone in it died that I would immediately out the masonry and cast suspicion on the other two members. This always made no sense to me either when you said it there too, since none of us revealed a power role in there because obviously we're suspicious there's scum in the masonry, so I would assume that the scum in our group would want to keep the others alive so that they can more easily talk to them and try to manipulate them to go where they want them to in private. Like why would a scum want to kill a member of their own masonry any more than they would any other town player?
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Oct 24, 2017 17:27
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Asiina posted:This always made no sense to me either when you said it there too, since none of us revealed a power role in there because obviously we're suspicious there's scum in the masonry, so I would assume that the scum in our group would want to keep the others alive so that they can more easily talk to them and try to manipulate them to go where they want them to in private. One of you could have died from a lynch or vig or 3rd party etc.
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Oct 24, 2017 17:59
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I feel like all of you play a bunch of games together and that I’m in a disadvantage because of this. TMMadman posted:
What the hell is this. Put a vote on it.
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Oct 24, 2017 18:46
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FYI I played a game with two unconfirmed masonries, and I was certain that one person had to be scum. I ended up being wrong; all four were town. I’m only saying this because even if there is a scum in the masonry, we can’t forget about the other scum in the game.
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Oct 24, 2017 18:56
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b-minus1 posted:FYI I played a game with two unconfirmed masonries, and I was certain that one person had to be scum. I ended up being wrong; all four were town. I’m only saying this because even if there is a scum in the masonry, we can’t forget about the other scum in the game. i never forget.
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Oct 24, 2017 18:58
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b-minus1 posted:FYI I played a game with two unconfirmed masonries, and I was certain that one person had to be scum. I ended up being wrong; all four were town. I’m only saying this because even if there is a scum in the masonry, we can’t forget about the other scum in the game. Yeah I mean we've all already made the joke that maybe the masonry is just one town and the other three are scum loving with the town person. Also one person dying and flipping scum doesn't immediately clear the others. Being in an unconfirmed masonry is basically alignment neutral.
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Oct 24, 2017 19:00
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or theyre all scum and doing the biggest gambit of all time 
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Oct 24, 2017 19:02
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flerp posted:or theyre all scum and doing the biggest gambit of all time If two of us flipped scum, I would gladly give my life for town's peace of mind. Assuming it's not LYLO of course.
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Oct 24, 2017 19:07
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It’s awfully quiet now....
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