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The absolute chaos that went on during the filming of that movie, with two effects crews speaking two different languages and seemingly everyone trying to gently caress over Rick Baker, is a better story than anything in the movie itself.
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Wizchine posted:Kong had a lot of hype because in marketing they played up the fact that they constructed some kind of giant robot for the movie. We were all disappointed in the result. Hey now, this was OBVIOUSLY worth 1/10 of the original $16m budget:   (The cost of the film blew out to about $24m by the end of production.)
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A good-sized chunk of that went to coke, I guaran-bloody-tee it. I remember seeing the casting call for that scene in the Times. I wanted to go but couldn't get anyone to drive me. Truly a missed opportunity to be part of something so uniquely hilarious and horrible.
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Maxwell Lord posted:I mean Rambaldi was responsible for the animatronics facial expressions on the suit-actor Kong as well, and ET wasn't nothing. He was talented for sure, but the volume of high-profile work he got was frankly insane.
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When-a the monkey die, EVERYBODY gonna cry!
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Kong '76 may have been a production debacle, but it's criminally underrated, and seemingly entirely because it actually does a good job of faithfully adapting the cheeky, pre-Code transgressiveness of the '33 film to the era of disco and porno chic. "Did you ever meet anyone before whose life was saved by Deep Throat?" Nostalgia for O'Brien's animation process also seems to unfairly denigrate how visually on-point the movie is. It's a kitschy, greasy pop art movie like Grease or Saturday Night Fever, and if that suit and Richard Baker's performance as Kong weren't a peak in the daikaiju genre for you, then I'm gonna have to say banana oil. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P749Vnd3WSw
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K. Waste posted:and if that suit and Richard Baker's performance as Kong weren't a peak in the daikaiju genre for you, then I'm gonna have to say banana oil. If this was a deliberate reference, I appreciated it.
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LORD OF BOOTY posted:If this was a deliberate reference, I appreciated it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gmVv3plL2No
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I literally just looked that clip up to make sure I was thinking of the right movie.  e: That's not even remotely the funniest thing from that dub, but I can't find the actual funniest thing (the completely bugfuck insane presentation on the history of "fire monsters") on YouTube anywhere.
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the summaries I've read of the Fire Monsters script are indeed completely bugfuck insane. At one point our hero literally punches the female lead out to stop her from being hysterical. It's the worst bits of the 50s, distilled.
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I watched KK76 back-to-back with the original a few years ago and absolutely loathed it. It's such a cynical, smarmy piece of poo poo, very much of its era in all the worst, most quease-inducing ways. And it's ugly as sin, all cheap ticky-tacky production design and absolutely disgraceful effects photography. Good cast, great score, and Rick Baker and the ape suit really do try their damnedest to give the movie a soul, but it's idiotic garbage that wants your money and very little else and never stops hammering that fact home. One of the few movies I genuinely, deeply hate. e: Godzilla '98 is also on that list, and it suffers from a number of quite similar faults now that I think about it. Bimmi fucked around with this message at 04:54 on Oct 27, 2017 |
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HannibalBarca posted:the summaries I've read of the Fire Monsters script are indeed completely bugfuck insane. At one point our hero literally punches the female lead out to stop her from being hysterical. It's the worst bits of the 50s, distilled. No, there's one scene in particular that is just the most hilariously loving bonkers thing ever, and I'm gonna see if I can dig up the particular scene. It's an exposition dump about the history of "fire monsters" that is to paleontology what The Core is to physics.
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LORD OF BOOTY posted:No, there's one scene in particular that is just the most hilariously loving bonkers thing ever, and I'm gonna see if I can dig up the particular scene. It's an exposition dump about the history of "fire monsters" that is to paleontology what The Core is to physics. I mean, the paleontology in the original English dubbed version is pretty insane as is
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HannibalBarca posted:I mean, the paleontology in the original English dubbed version is pretty insane as is I'm pretty sure we're talking about the same dub, because to my understanding the Gigantis dub is the only one that exists for Raids Again. e: gently caress, I can't even find this poo poo on my usual sources to rip the scene from. If anyone has a copy of the Classic Media DVD of Godzilla Raids Again and wants to come to the rescue here, please do, because holy gently caress the world needs to see this. e2: nevermind, found it, though the quality may be spotty. WeedlordGoku69 fucked around with this message at 06:30 on Oct 27, 2017 |
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I think he means Yamane's claim that Godzilla hails from the age of dinosaurs "two million years ago," which is a direct translation from the original dialogue iirc. The trilobites don't really fit either but fuggit, I don't watch these movies to get all scienced up. Bimmi fucked around with this message at 06:33 on Oct 27, 2017 |
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Oct 27, 2017 06:31
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Bimmi posted:I think he means Yamane's claim that Godzilla hails from the age of dinosaurs "two million years ago," which is a direct translation from the original dialogue iirc. That's... probably the least hilarious thing in the whole scene, so cool, I still have reason to upload this. The dub adds quite a bit more exposition and it's all totally bonkers and uses some really, really hilariously awful stock footage.
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Well, that's just the original, which isn't too shameful on its own. The Gigantis dub was indeed written by crazy people. e: I also love the scene from the localized KKvsG where Whitey McSplainstuff is attempting to describe Godzilla's physiology and pulls out what is very recognizably a child's first book of dinosaurs. Bimmi fucked around with this message at 06:50 on Oct 27, 2017 |
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All things considered, it's kind of impressive how the Legendary monsters' theorised backgrounds are plausible by comparison. And that's when it's implied/stated that Godzilla basically has a built in nuclear reactor. It's like they read that one internet theory about Kaiju basically being living nuclear reactors (inspired by that natural reactor discovered in Africa) and decided it was canon.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vU3QF1TUSGU Here's what I was talking about. Every time I watch this sequence I just end up laughing like a loving idiot for six minutes straight.
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Well, that got blocked remarkably fast.
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Oh gently caress me. I guess horizontally flipping a video no longer fools them. Should I bother with a fair use dispute?
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With Toho? Might as well piss in the wind. Godzilla clips are right up there with Prince songs as far as the impossibility finding 'em online goes.
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LORD OF BOOTY posted:Oh gently caress me. I guess horizontally flipping a video no longer fools them. Should I bother with a fair use dispute? You aren't using it for fair use if you just posted it to the internet.
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Yeah, I wound up just nuking the video so I don't have to look at it on my Youtube channel, and I'm putting it on vid.me instead. gently caress Toho. (vid.me, for the uninitiated, straight up doesn't give a poo poo as long as you don't call attention to it, I have at least one entire anime series up on there for synchtube streaming and it's not one that YouTube likes people uploading.) e: https://vid.me/hJEcA Here's the video. I can't embed it but here it is regardless. Jesus, between trying to find a loving copy of Gigantis The Fire Monster and trying to get this clip uploaded somewhere, this has been like pulling teeth. WeedlordGoku69 fucked around with this message at 08:17 on Oct 27, 2017 |
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LORD OF BOOTY posted:Jesus, between trying to find a loving copy of Gigantis The Fire Monster and trying to get this clip uploaded somewhere, this has been like pulling teeth. So long as the teeth aren't taller than a Chicago Bears linebacker and came from the jaw of something that should have died out two hundred million years ago it's fine.
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Worth it. lovely '50s sci-fi written by people who know nothing about science will never not be one of my favorite things. (also, "reast I could do," jesus christ)
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"This is bad... this IS bad!" is one of my favorite line readings of all time.
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Bimmi posted:I watched KK76 back-to-back with the original a few years ago and absolutely loathed it. It's such a cynical, smarmy piece of poo poo, very much of its era in all the worst, most quease-inducing ways. And it's ugly as sin, all cheap ticky-tacky production design and absolutely disgraceful effects photography. Good cast, great score, and Rick Baker and the ape suit really do try their damnedest to give the movie a soul, but it's idiotic garbage that wants your money and very little else and never stops hammering that fact home. One of the few movies I genuinely, deeply hate. What makes the '76 film any more idiotic or avaricious than the '33 film? The later has plenty of 'quease-inducing' cultural ephemera and cliches all on its own, you have to weigh those at least as critically.        Again, daikaiju fans should love it.
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K. Waste posted:What makes the '76 film any more idiotic or avaricious than the '33 film? The later has plenty of 'quease-inducing' cultural ephemera and cliches all on its own, you have to weigh those at least as critically. I am honestly not sure how you can even compare the two. '33 embodies a sincere sense of wonder and terror and never once, to my recollection, treats its audience like a bunch of marks. '76 did itself no favors by placing itself in the post-NIxon milieu, where wonder was strictly for suckers and terror had been rendered crushing and mundane by ten years of Vietnam. I'm also none too sure that the guy who wrote Batman, a satire so arch it doubles back in on itself, was the right choice to rework one of the great cinematic tragedies, but everything about the film is so emblematic to me of a gross, cynical, depressing decade that I really can't work up any emotional response to it besides disgust. I mean, history has pretty well borne out that the two films are in no way equivalent, what with one being a beloved classic frequently cited as the greatest film of all time, and the other a literal punchline. e: I am not of the opinion that '33 is some flawless cinematic jewel — it definitely has its problems, both dramatic and sociological — but '76 dispenses with absolutely none of that baggage while adding a few new pieces of its own, and the end result is a film that, to me, is just exhaustingly irritating and sleazy and no drat fun at all. Bimmi fucked around with this message at 16:26 on Oct 27, 2017 |
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LORD OF BOOTY posted:I'm pretty sure we're talking about the same dub, because to my understanding the Gigantis dub is the only one that exists for Raids Again. Oh, I was talking about the ORIGINAL American plan for GRA, which was to turn it into a completely different movie called The Volcano Monsters
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Bimmi posted:I am honestly not sure how you can even compare the two. '33 embodies a sincere sense of wonder and terror and never once, to my recollection, treats its audience like a bunch of marks. '76 did itself no favors by placing itself in the post-NIxon milieu, where wonder was strictly for suckers and terror had been rendered crushing and mundane by ten years of Vietnam. I'm also none too sure that the guy who wrote Batman, a satire so arch it doubles back in on itself, was the right choice to rework one of the great cinematic tragedies, but everything about the film is so emblematic to me of a gross, cynical, depressing decade that I really can't work up any emotional response to it besides disgust. Where does '76 treat its audience like a bunch of marks? And how does the post-Nixon/post-Vietnam context of '76 betray that wonder is for suckers? It's the same tragic adventure story, except instead of the Great Depression, it's the recession of the '70s and the oil crisis. The most cynical character in the movie is the capitalist villain, and he's contrasted with a militant environmentalist and a woman who miraculously escapes sexual coercion. Furthermore, this latter character does not merely spend the movie as a screaming damsel who is ultimately totally unsympathetic to Kong. Indeed, she emerges from the water like Aphrodite, and she ultimately develops a compassionate relationship with her fellow god. When Kong is brutally cut down by the helicopters (there's your post-Vietnam imagery), she's depicted as grieving, because it's not just a brute being killed to her, she sees it as part of herself dying. This is hammered home by her actually being there for his last heart beats, radiating throughout the crowd around his corpse. Kong '76 is not cynical, it's kitsch, which actually means that it's more predisposed to wonder and sentimentality. Is the climax of the film treating the audience like a bunch of marks, or is it actually taking for granted that the tragedy of Kong's exploitation and death should be immediately palpable to them, just as it is for Dwan? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v6Xbfyz0aXM And, no, the '33 film being more popular does not make it self-evident that '76 is a bad film.
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Hey, if you don't feel like every minute of that movie is being foisted on you by the sort of "creatives" who think that pandering to dummies is the way to the big bucks, then I don't know what I can possibly say to convince you otherwise. Kitsch is not inherently good, or even mostly good. Usually it's a sign that the mark has been missed so drastically as to become laughable, but the mood of '76 is so mercenary and sour that I find it impossible to enjoy. Even the cast seems utterly miserable, which they in fact were. It's not a charming '70s romp, it's Patient goddamn Zero for putting the marketing cart before the artistic horse and the template for every lovely, joyless, instantly forgettable remake we've seen since. That said, there are a few things I like about it, including the expanded girl/ape relationship, but that doesn't mean it's not a very bad movie. Even 13-year-old me, a kid with questionable taste who gleefully swallowed a lot of bogus baloney before wising up, walked out of the theater feeling like he'd been had. e: if you actually are interested in my more specific takes on the movie and have archives, there's a King Kong thread from about 5-6 years ago where I dropped my review after freshly seeing it, which is as close as you'll ever get because I am certainly never gonna watch it again. I am going to belay any further thoughts on this movie now, since I'm not sure we're actually having a discussion and I don't want the thread bringing out the pitchforks and telling me to shut the gently caress up about Kong. Bimmi fucked around with this message at 23:32 on Oct 27, 2017 |
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Well, my wifi is out at least for the night, so it's time to drink heavily and rewatch the Classic Media Godzilla DVDs while shitposting from 4G Normal Friday night
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I'm hyper-ventilating. edit: Someone post the "happy moment" dance gif, it's a time for that. K. Waste fucked around with this message at 23:03 on Nov 5, 2017 |
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dentist toy box posted:Boxset plz Depending on how recently Criterion got the rights, I would expect it to take them a while to get a release set up that meets their pretty exacting standards in terms of audiovisual quality, special features, etc. Recall how all-around great the original Criterion release of Godzilla was. Exciting news, for sure, but don't start hammering F5 on the Criterion homepage just yet.
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