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mod sassinator posted:You don't need to spam a link twice. People will see something and watch it if they're interested. I WILL say this though - kind of dubious of a link to a site that has the youtube video linked in it, but only because most people just post the youtube link. So... the total skeptic in me is going, "yeah no this is a ploy." Even if the web page is giving away free kittens and candy.
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mod sassinator posted:You don't need to spam a link twice. People will see something and watch it if they're interested. Ah, you are right, thank you.
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magnificent7 posted:I WILL say this though - kind of dubious of a link to a site that has the youtube video linked in it, but only because most people just post the youtube link. So... the total skeptic in me is going, "yeah no this is a ploy." Even if the web page is giving away free kittens and candy. Here are the youtube links, you are correct. How Big Oil Conquered the World https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ySnk-f2ThpE Why Big Oil conquered the World https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0wlNey9t7hQ
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LadyPictureShow posted:One that isn't horribly depressing and is actually a quick little watch clocking in about 45 minutes is 'Long Shot'. A man is accused of murdering a key witness to a crime his cousin was involved in. But it couldn't have been him, he took his daughter to a Dodgers game that day. But the prosecution isn't convinced. Thanks for this, just watched this on Netflix and it's great/infuriating
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You know, Burns' Vietnam confirms for me what I always suspected since his Civil War doc nurtured the ultimate fake grievance, Lost Causeism. It's very well done though, obviously, just like Civil War.
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:You know, Burns' Vietnam confirms for me what I always suspected since his Civil Wat doc nurtured the ultimate fake grievance, Lost Causeism. It's very well done though, obviously, just like Civil War. Not sure exactly what you mean by this. I did find the last episode of the whole thing a little odd. After ten hours they don't really give you any concluding point beyond this nice message that everyone should just move on and heal, backed with The Beatles' Let It Be for added oversentimentality.
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Anyone watch the Frontline Putin doc? Edit: i got 10 mins in, its dumb as hell Lil Mama Im Sorry fucked around with this message at 02:30 on Oct 27, 2017 |
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cloudchamber posted:Not sure exactly what you mean by this. I did find the last episode of the whole thing a little odd. After ten hours they don't really give you any concluding point beyond this nice message that everyone should just move on and heal, backed with The Beatles' Let It Be for added oversentimentality. It's way, way too fair to the aggressor, you know, the country whose leadership that decided for a still unclear reason to invade a country nine thousand miles away.
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:It's way, way too fair to the aggressor, you know, the country whose leadership that decided for a still unclear reason to invade a country nine thousand miles away. and then literally goes out of its way to emphasize "we just left and stopped talking to the government" and concludes... nothing? I guess? Let It Be, roll credits.
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I dunno, what are you expecting? The movie ends just like the war... with confusion, pain and suffering. There's really no way to tie up loose ends or draw some deeper meaning other than it was a waste of many lives.
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mod sassinator posted:I dunno, what are you expecting? The movie ends just like the war... with confusion, pain and suffering. There's really no way to tie up loose ends or draw some deeper meaning other than it was a waste of many lives. yeah, except that's not so. Vietnam and southeast Asia continued to exist, continued to fight, and it was a critical and meaningful part of a major struggle in the history of western imperialism. There are lots of ways to discern meaning from the extended conflict ~1950-1980 in the extended Mekong region and the fact that Americans were confused by losing a war doesn't mean the actual conflict was confusing.
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mod sassinator posted:I dunno, what are you expecting? The movie ends just like the war... with confusion, pain and suffering. There's really no way to tie up loose ends or draw some deeper meaning other than it was a waste of many lives. The problem with the lack of any concluding note is that it turns the film into what feels like a rather droll series of unfortunate incidences which aren't weighted with any judgemental perspective. Kennedy's naivety over Diem's removal and Nixon's sabotaging of the Paris peace talks are passed over in exactly the same way as though they are decisions equal in nature.
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mod sassinator posted:I dunno, what are you expecting? The movie ends just like the war... with confusion, pain and suffering. There's really no way to tie up loose ends or draw some deeper meaning other than it was a waste of many lives. But that's ridiculous. The most obvious and direct meaning, especially relevant to now, is that US adventurism and warmongering is totally pointless and is deservedly a source of shame. You can't both-sides it when one side is repelling a senseless invasion from the most powerful nation in the world. Ol Standard Retard posted:and then literally goes out of its way to emphasize "we just left and stopped talking to the government" and concludes... nothing? I guess? Let It Be, roll credits. The CNN thing on the Fall of Saigon is especially great about this, at times they seem mad that the NVA didn't do Khmer Rouge style orgiastic purges the instant the US left. They literally have no story to tell if the lack of their presence isn't unchecked barbarity, so they just forget the whole thing, pretend it never happened, that place never existed, and the worst thing of all that could've possibly happened if anything did actually happen is the toll it took on Our Boys. DeimosRising posted:yeah, except that's not so. Vietnam and southeast Asia continued to exist, continued to fight, and it was a critical and meaningful part of a major struggle in the history of western imperialism. There are lots of ways to discern meaning from the extended conflict ~1950-1980 in the extended Mekong region and the fact that Americans were confused by losing a war doesn't mean the actual conflict was confusing. By deliberately aestheticizing the conflict, you don't have to explain things like, say, the NVA rolling back the CIA-backed Khmer Rouge in Cambodia. HUNDU THE BEAST GOD fucked around with this message at 17:44 on Oct 27, 2017 |
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A propos, this week's episode of the podcast Citations Needed goes into a critique of KB's Vietnam. If you're into media critique and politics you should be listening anyway but this is a good place to start.
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I guess I have strong feelings about this, reading some older comments. Ol Standard Retard posted:A propos, this week's episode of the podcast Citations Needed goes into a critique of KB's Vietnam. If you're into media critique and politics you should be listening anyway but this is a good place to start. Listening now. HUNDU THE BEAST GOD fucked around with this message at 23:49 on Oct 27, 2017 |
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DeimosRising posted:yeah, except that's not so. Vietnam and southeast Asia continued to exist, continued to fight, and it was a critical and meaningful part of a major struggle in the history of western imperialism. There are lots of ways to discern meaning from the extended conflict ~1950-1980 in the extended Mekong region and the fact that Americans were confused by losing a war doesn't mean the actual conflict was confusing. Don't forget about the pearl-clutching vilifying of supposed "communist sympathizers" that lead to people getting blacklisted and thrown on government watch lists. People STILL bring up communists like they're the loving boogeyman and that poo poo is just so loving funny to me in the age of unchecked capitalism absolutely wrecking the environment and the American male Sandy Hook and Vegas-style shooters.
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I guess maybe you guys have just never seen a Ken Burns documentary and expected something different? It was exactly the same as all his other documentaries: more informational and immersive than trying to draw grand conclusions or make judgements. You can crucify him for that if you want but he has never pretended to be anything other than what he is: a documentarian that attempts to capture major periods in American history. Being totally judgmental and vilifying one side throughout the documentary wouldn’t exactly portray an accurate idea of the United States during the War.
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Mahoning posted:I guess maybe you guys have just never seen a Ken Burns documentary and expected something different? It was exactly the same as all his other documentaries: more informational and immersive than trying to draw grand conclusions or make judgements. You can crucify him for that if you want but he has never pretended to be anything other than what he is: a documentarian that attempts to capture major periods in American history. Being totally judgmental and vilifying one side throughout the documentary wouldn’t exactly portray an accurate idea of the United States during the War. Yeah but if KB trying to develop his art form, tackling a topic like Vietnam presents an opportunity to actually do something different, because the material he's working with is informative on its face. Archival color video footage and living, breathing interviewees for like the majority of the piece provide that grounding in fact and immersion. It's also a more nuanced topic than say, Baseball. The Civil War. I know he's done stuff with the Central Park five recently, but why even dig so dang deeply into a gray zone like this if you're not trying to... examine? It critically?
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ah yes, the objective and unbiased approach of US Humanitarian War, the true gods eye view Maybe u guys should grow up and realize Ken Burns is an ADULT and isnt going to let his art be ruined by petty PARTISANSHIP
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Jesus Christ you guys are dumb. It’s like watching a Spielberg film and asking why it’s not a romantic comedy. “Actually I read an article about the Vietnam War and....” 
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The dude has been nominated for multiple academy awards and won quite a few emmys. I think it's safe to say Ken Burns knows what he's doing more than random people on the internet.
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mod sassinator posted:The dude has been nominated for multiple academy awards and won quite a few emmys. I think it's safe to say Ken Burns knows what he's doing more than random people on the internet. This explains why Jim Parsons is the funniest man in the world.
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^this too mod sassinator posted:The dude has been nominated for multiple academy awards and won quite a few emmys. I think it's safe to say Ken Burns knows what he's doing more than random people on the internet. Better not critically examine anything ever then, or apply a different perspective to art.
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mod sassinator posted:The dude has been nominated for multiple academy awards and won quite a few emmys. I think it's safe to say Ken Burns knows what he's doing more than random people on the internet. It’s just classic dick measuring “you’re not liberal enough” bullshit. Like the entire documentary didn’t have a single nice thing to say about the American government or American involvement but some people still wanted the US to be even more vilified despite the fact that it would have thrown off the tone of the entire documentary. Vietnam is one of those “Baby’s First American History Lesson” things that wanna-be super liberals on the internet love to throw their weight around with because they read a book or something. But apparently they needed the last episode to be 2 hours of “white devil” chanted over and over until we led up to the present day.
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Mahoning posted:Jesus Christ you guys are dumb. It’s like watching a Spielberg film and asking why it’s not a romantic comedy. You do know that there are hundreds of books and films about the Vietnam War, and 99% of the posters here from the US have living relatives that vividly remember the period, right?
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:You do know that there are hundreds of books and films about the Vietnam War, and 99% of the posters here from the US have living relatives that vividly remember the period, right? So then why is your posting about it so bad? edit: Also LOL at a living relative that vividly remembers that period. As if that matters. My parents graduated high school in 68 and 69. My mom knew one of the victims of the KSU shooting. They thought it was a perfectly fair representation of the period. My dad called it one of the best things he ever watched. Your bullshit opinion does not matter one bit to me. Mahoning fucked around with this message at 01:50 on Oct 28, 2017 |
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Mahoning posted:So then why is your posting about it so bad? Forgot to stick the POW-MIA flag on at the end.
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Mahoning posted:It’s just classic dick measuring “you’re not liberal enough” bullshit. Like the entire documentary didn’t have a single nice thing to say about the American government or American involvement but some people still wanted the US to be even more vilified despite the fact that it would have thrown off the tone of the entire documentary. Hello projection my old fwend
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Mahoning posted:edit: Also LOL at a living relative that vividly remembers that period. As if that matters. My parents graduated high school in 68 and 69. My mom knew one of the victims of the KSU shooting. They thought it was a perfectly fair representation of the period. My dad called it one of the best things he ever watched. Your bullshit opinion does not matter one bit to me. Are you alright?
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STOP TRYING TO JANE FONDA UP THE BEST THING MY DAD EVER WATCHED lmao this dude rules Lil Mama Im Sorry fucked around with this message at 01:56 on Oct 28, 2017 |
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:Forgot to stick the POW-MIA flag on at the end. Please tell us the name of the book you read for your senior year Modern American History class that was not biased and was really fair.
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Mahoning posted:So then why is your posting about it so bad? Are you seriously melting down because some people don't agree with how Ken Burns represented the Vietnam War? I'm really sorry I didn't know it was so important to you
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Lil Mama Im Sorry posted:STOP TRYING TO JANE FONDA UP THE BEST THING MY DAD EVER WATCHED Jerking off to Jane Fonda is better than jerking off to That Vietnam Book I Read.
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DeimosRising posted:Are you seriously melting down because some people don't agree with how Ken Burns represented the Vietnam War? I'm really sorry I didn't know it was so important to you I WILL NOT APOLOGIZE FOR BEING WHITE ANY LONGER
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Mahoning posted:So then why is your posting about it so bad? Are you always a giant baby when someone isn't 100 percent on a thing you like?
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Mahoning posted:Jerking off to Jane Fonda is better than jerking off to That Vietnam Book I Read. Step away from the keyboard, son. Log off.
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DeimosRising posted:Are you seriously melting down because some people don't agree with how Ken Burns represented the Vietnam War? I'm really sorry I didn't know it was so important to you Are they melting down because of how Ken Burns represented the Vietnam War? Sorry that I disagree with them and I’m willing to call their opinion dumb. It seriously reeks of Baby’s First Documentary and a bunch of 18 year olds that totally learned about this in history class and knows better than you.
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Mahoning posted:Are they melting down because of how Ken Burns represented the Vietnam War? no FWIW everyone you're talking to is in their 30s Like I don't know what credentials you want people to have before they can state an opinion that contradicts Kenneth Burns and his Documentary Crew. Do you want a bibliography? Photos of time spent in Vietnam? Your dad liking the series is just emblematic of how the series timidly says nothing interesting about Vietnam. It's a very well done but totally spineless presentation of exactly the popular consensus on Vietnam. Incidentally, the popular consensus is bullshit DeimosRising fucked around with this message at 02:05 on Oct 28, 2017 |
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LesterGroans posted:Are you always a giant baby when someone isn't 100 percent on a thing you like? Do you have an opinion on it or are you just making GBS threads this discussion up even more?
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DeimosRising posted:no Sorry I don’t keep track of how old everyone is on a single thread on an internet discussion forum. You do?
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