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Sapozhnik
Jan 2, 2005

Nap Ghost
much like chlamydia, shell scripts can be found in all sorts of surprising places!

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Poopernickel
Oct 28, 2005

electricity bad
Fun Shoe

Sapozhnik posted:

much like chlamydia, shell scripts can be found in all sorts of surprising places!

Embrace the clap, you'll never cure it

VikingofRock
Aug 24, 2008




I sometimes wonder, if I set my username to "firstname lastname", how much stuff would break because my home directory now has a space in it?

RFC2324
Jun 7, 2012

http 418

VikingofRock posted:

I sometimes wonder, if I set my username to "firstname lastname", how much stuff would break because my home directory now has a space in it?

who knows, since half the system would break just from a space in the username

fritz
Jul 26, 2003

Poopernickel posted:

fucken same

did you know they released a new version last year?


i managed to stop once, i dont need the temptation

post hole digger
Mar 21, 2011

Notorious b.s.d. posted:

I do phone screens or interviews for this kind of thing several times a week

having "bad" opinions is not an automatic fail but the candidate needs to be able to explain how and why that judgment was reached. maybe the candidate's experiences are different from mine!

so far, none who mentioned "ansible good" or "systemd bad" have managed to do that.

So how did you land on ansible?
It's agentless!

How did that benefit the business?
It's agentless!

What other technologies did you evaluate before settling on ansible?
Nothing, we chose ansible because it's agentless!

naturally you can substitute mongodb or systemd into the script and have the same idiotic conversation

whats so bad about ansible

spankmeister
Jun 15, 2008






my bitter bi rival posted:

whats so bad about ansible

It's agentless!

Poopernickel
Oct 28, 2005

electricity bad
Fun Shoe
for you non shellhavers, here's your chance to heckle the man responsible:

https://blog.bluzelle.com/ask-me-anything-with-brian-fox-open-source-advisor-to-bluzelle-64749fc58b64

pram
Jun 10, 2001

spankmeister posted:

lol only complete nublets use nano like do you even loving Linux bro

truth

pram
Jun 10, 2001

my bitter bi rival posted:

whats so bad about ansible

he doesnt know how it works or understand what it does. the people in the interviews are much smarter than he is but he cant comprehend what theyre saying so it gets distilled into a ridiculous strawman

sb hermit
Dec 13, 2016





my bitter bi rival posted:

whats so bad about ansible

is there something bad about ansible?

I like it

Gazpacho
Jun 18, 2004

by Fluffdaddy
Slippery Tilde
:wow:

Suspicious Dish
Sep 24, 2011

2020 is the year of linux on the desktop, bro
Fun Shoe
Ansible's language is a mix of yaml, Jinja, Python, and caused my last team no end of grief and random bugs. Incredibly dumb parsing bugs were extremely common: https://github.com/ansible/ansible/issues/15603

Max Facetime
Apr 18, 2009

I once tried to find an EBNF for a shell script to figure out what the correct syntax for writing an if-statement is



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lol







just lol





 

eschaton
Mar 7, 2007

Don't you just hate when you wind up in a store with people who are in a socioeconomic class that is pretty obviously about two levels lower than your own?

VikingofRock posted:

I sometimes wonder, if I set my username to "firstname lastname", how much stuff would break because my home directory now has a space in it?

lol if you think it’d be just your home directory path causing that breakage

I’ve actually seen this in the wild and let me tell you poo poo gets weird

eschaton
Mar 7, 2007

Don't you just hate when you wind up in a store with people who are in a socioeconomic class that is pretty obviously about two levels lower than your own?
some deluded fool bought a Centris running System 7 and then wanted to know where the terminal app was so he could see how it worked “under the hood” and use vi to write C code for it

Unix really does cause brain damage

pram
Jun 10, 2001
its not a unix system, i dont know this

eschaton
Mar 7, 2007

Don't you just hate when you wind up in a store with people who are in a socioeconomic class that is pretty obviously about two levels lower than your own?
but I’m going to assume an awful lot about its system architecture and available tooling

BobHoward
Feb 13, 2012

The only thing white people deserve is a bullet to their empty skull

eschaton posted:

some deluded fool bought a Centris running System 7 and then wanted to know where the terminal app was so he could see how it worked “under the hood” and use vi to write C code for it

Unix really does cause brain damage

were they as old as the centris? i'm guessing no

Athas
Aug 6, 2007

fuck that joker
I have been using xmonad on Debian for almost ten years (and ratpoison before then). Today I installed Fedora with GNOME because I figured I'd try something different for a change. It's needs suiting so far (but I do most things in Emacs anyway so).

Gazpacho
Jun 18, 2004

by Fluffdaddy
Slippery Tilde
90s Mac OS was bad

Sapozhnik
Jan 2, 2005

Nap Ghost

Athas posted:

I have been using xmonad on Debian for almost ten years (and ratpoison before then). Today I installed Fedora with GNOME because I figured I'd try something different for a change. It's needs suiting so far (but I do most things in Emacs anyway so).

congratulations on graduating from cocking about to using your computer as a means to an end, op

Soricidus
Oct 21, 2010
freedom-hating statist shill

Gazpacho posted:

90s Mac OS was bad

in many ways yes, and yet it had the only good file manager that has ever been written

Workaday Wizard
Oct 23, 2009

by Pragmatica

Soricidus posted:

in many ways yes, and yet it had the only good file manager that has ever been written

it had explorer.exe?

eschaton
Mar 7, 2007

Don't you just hate when you wind up in a store with people who are in a socioeconomic class that is pretty obviously about two levels lower than your own?

Gazpacho posted:

90s Mac OS was bad

and yet, it was good

makes u think

Best Bi Geek Squid
Mar 25, 2016
put a linux chroot on my chomebook. i think it is ubuntu. it is very bad but i can now stream steam games so that's good.

Condiv
May 7, 2008

Sorry to undo the effort of paying a domestic abuser $10 to own this poster, but I am going to lose my dang mind if I keep seeing multiple posters who appear to be Baloogan.

With love,
a mod


Sapozhnik posted:

congratulations on graduating from cocking about to using your computer as a means to an end, op

Truga
May 4, 2014
Lipstick Apathy

Sapozhnik posted:

using your computer

quote:

GNOME

lmbo

Sapozhnik
Jan 2, 2005

Nap Ghost
i use gnome to do work and it is very needs suiting

i can write code that runs on our embedded boards and other code that runs on our aws instances and test them out by running and debugging them locally on my machine, because it runs the same operating system that both of those things run.

if our original hardware designer wasn't a goddamn greybeard then our microcontrollers would also be arm based and i could develop code for that under linux too instead of having to use IAR in a windows vm

Poopernickel
Oct 28, 2005

electricity bad
Fun Shoe

Sapozhnik posted:

i use gnome to do work and it is very needs suiting

i can write code that runs on our embedded boards and other code that runs on our aws instances and test them out by running and debugging them locally on my machine, because it runs the same operating system that both of those things run.

if our original hardware designer wasn't a goddamn greybeard then our microcontrollers would also be arm based and i could develop code for that under linux too instead of having to use IAR in a windows vm

What did he stick u with? 8051s? Some kind of Z80 monstrosity? If you say AVR anything, you can totally Linux those fyi

Sapozhnik
Jan 2, 2005

Nap Ghost
stm8

supposedly there's some sdcc port for it now but uhh i'm not going to port an existing product's entire firmware codebase to some jank open source compiler

besides the conventions for accessing hw registers are all totally different

Poopernickel
Oct 28, 2005

electricity bad
Fun Shoe
I feel your pain

idk if it's any good or not, but there's a commercial-grade C compiler for the stm8 that's free as in beer and might let you do a linux: http://www.cosmic-software.com/stm8.php

with that said I've never used the STM8 so take that for what its worth


never mind, they don't do a linux except through wine

actually as i investigate more, i'm not sure? maybe email them - they're legit giving the compiler away because nobody buys it any more

Poopernickel fucked around with this message at 05:29 on Oct 30, 2017

atomicthumbs
Dec 26, 2010


We're in the business of extending man's senses.

RFC2324 posted:

os hipsters

/r/linuxmasterrace and/or /r/unixporn

Athas
Aug 6, 2007

fuck that joker

Sapozhnik posted:

congratulations on graduating from cocking about to using your computer as a means to an end, op

I'm a computer scientist, so cocking about my computer is my job.

So far the thing I miss the most from tiling window managers is their superior handling of multiple monitors. Maybe there's a GNOME extension to add more keyboard shortcuts for slinging windows around.

It's pretty cool that this Fedora 26 is using Wayland, though. I didn't notice at first, and had to check the process list to see whether it's running Xorg at all. Never thought I'd see the day.

eschaton
Mar 7, 2007

Don't you just hate when you wind up in a store with people who are in a socioeconomic class that is pretty obviously about two levels lower than your own?

Athas posted:

I'm a computer scientist, so cocking about my computer is my job.

No.

quote:

So far the thing I miss the most from tiling window managers is their superior handling of multiple monitors.

No.

if you’re “tiling” windows, especially with multiple monitors, you don’t know what windows are or what they’re for and you need to re-learn how to use a modern computer

Athas
Aug 6, 2007

fuck that joker

eschaton posted:

No.


No.

if you’re “tiling” windows, especially with multiple monitors, you don’t know what windows are or what they’re for and you need to re-learn how to use a modern computer

Okay, I'm sorry if I violated some kind of ideological purity of window management. I just know it was faster and easier to move focus between windows in xmonad than it is in GNOME, in particular when I have large numbers of windows and multiple monitors.

Truga
May 4, 2014
Lipstick Apathy

eschaton posted:

if you’re “tiling” windows, especially with multiple monitors, you don’t know what windows are or what they’re for and you need to re-learn how to use a modern computer

lmao

Athas posted:

Okay, I'm sorry if I violated some kind of ideological purity of window management. I just know it was faster and easier to move focus between windows in xmonad than it is in GNOME, in particular when I have large numbers of windows and multiple monitors.

tiling wm is better if you're used to it, but it means your grandma can't use your pc therefore it is bad.

Workaday Wizard
Oct 23, 2009

by Pragmatica
SHI SHI SHI

DEATH TO ALL

LINUX IS A GOOD OPERATING SYSTEM

EndlessRagdoll
May 20, 2016

eschaton posted:

if you’re “tiling” windows, especially with multiple monitors, you don’t know what windows are or what they’re for and you need to re-learn how to use a modern computer

tiling is freedom. stop wasting your time and space.

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Shaggar
Apr 26, 2006
tiling may be my favorite greybeard poo poo. its a concession that a GUI is superior to a command line, while retaining command line usability and efficiency problems.

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